On Break One Piece Chapter 1198 Discussion

[Tonix]

I remember hating Doflamingo but respecting him for not ever berating his subordinates for their lack of firepower. When he went to rescue Baby 5 and Buffalo, he basically told them yo you guys did the best you could, thanks, I got this.

Doffy was one of the only villains who actually seemed to at least kind of care about his subordinates. The Doffy Family felt like a real crew.

 

[AmyRose]

I remember hating Doflamingo but respecting him for not ever berating his subordinates for their lack of firepower. When he went to rescue Baby 5 and Buffalo, he basically told them yo you guys did the best you could, thanks, I got this. Hate the dude all you want but he might have learned a thing or two from Kaido being his Joker card. So when Kaido said that shit, I thought that was pretty damn cool too. This is also why I don't think the GKs are really weak, they just are when portrayed against Zoro and Sanji but they could probably hold their own against the majority of pirates of the sea. I think Franky said it on Egghead, they're just this powerful now. Or was it someone else? I forget.

Well yeah, both Kaido and Doflamingo cared a lot about their highest rank subordinates which were their actual crew mates. On other hand they didn't gave a shit about their lowest rank minions because they were easy to replace soooooo yeah, to some degree they were still horrible assholes. I would argue about Holy Knights NOT being weak though. I mean sure, at some point they deffinetly were really powerful but I'm quite sure that after Imu gifted them with immortality (well, at least our unwanted guests from Elbaf - Shamrock) their battle abilities could weaken. You know, because thanks to immortality they didn't have to depend on their stranght to survive. Look at example of Gunko: technically her body is soo easy to damage that even Usopps Grass Bomb was able to destroy upper half of her body while regular people don't get hurt THIS badly by them. She recovered but what would happen if she faced skilled conqueror haki user instead and would just take the hit without thinking? That's right, she would die immedietly. What's my point here? Well, I just think that ironically immortality made the Knights weaker because while they are still skilled fighters they lost their battle instincts which in normal setting would put their minds into "survival mode" during fights. Now despit fact that they have to finish their mission and get rid of every obstacle or else they will have to face Imus rage they can only run away. I assume it's because they kinda forgot how to fight to win AND survive. They dosen't dodge, they rarely block and it's all because they think immortality will always save them. Both Sommers and Killingham literally let Zoro and Sanji learn how to weaponize conqueror haki because they were taking all their hits. So while Holy Knights aren't full blown weaklings sense of security that immortality gave them deffinetly made them weaker than they should/could be.


Also about Franky well, I also don't remember when he said it but I'm about to relearn. Currently I'm watching Egghead for the first time because I got fed up of watching week to week and went on break. The point is, I will check if Franky did said that during Egghead arc. Although I feel like he could say that more recently, mayby even during Elbaf arc.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

We know that Void Century Elbaf has left a treasure box in the Owl Library that it is currently considered as a way to protect the country against Imu and his God’s Knights. Adding to that the fact that Imu has just said that there is ancient technology in Elbaf that he wishes to obtain, we can assume that this box contains this ancient technology.

What could this technology be? If this technology is supposed to protect Elbaf from Imu (!!!) and considering the current plot situation with Imu about to head back to Marigeoise and Luffy losing its will to its Zoan awakening, then my guess is that it is a weapon that cancels DF technology. Maybe a weapon that emits ocean soundwave frequency and which is able to destabilize a whole island area. My guess is that we will see it being used in Elbaf in order to save Elbaf from Black Nika and to bring back Luffy to his senses.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

We know that Void Century Elbaf has left a treasure box in the Owl Library that it is currently considered as a way to protect the country against Imu and his God’s Knights. Adding to that the fact that Imu has just said that there is ancient technology in Elbaf that he wishes to obtain, we can assume that this box contains this ancient technology.

What could this technology be? If this technology is supposed to protect Elbaf from Imu (!!!) and considering the current plot situation with Imu about to head back to Marigeoise and Luffy losing its will to its Zoan awakening, then my guess is that it is a weapon that cancels DF technology. Maybe a weapon that emits ocean soundwave frequency and which is able to destabilize a whole island area. My guess is that we will see it being used in Elbaf in order to save Elbaf from Black Nika and to bring back Luffy to his senses.

In my opinion, if I had to guess, it possibly isn't a weapon, I don't think there will be anymore Ancient Weapons around besides Pluton, Uranus (WG have it) and Poseidon. I think this may be the key to Pluton or the thing needed to activate it.

Lilly is from Alabasta, she has connections to Elbaph, also has connections to Wano as they created Poneglyphs and she played a vital role in them being spread all over the world which is why the WG are in the position they're in. I think given how Joyboy and co. believe in fate, they wouldn't put everything in One Place (e.g. a Treasure chest & Key), they'd put them in different places in hopes that the person meant to find it can form an alliance and trust from all the separate parties involved to prove they're really trust worthy.

I think this is the Key to Pluton or the Ignition tool in Elbaph, and Pluton is in Wano which we know - Biblo is probably giving them this tool to escape in case Imu defeats Elbaph.
If this was an Ancient Weapon which Harald was aware of, I'm sure the giants rulers before him would have used it to rule the world since they're warriors and only respect power. That is my impression but hopefully we get some more info soon.

 

[NAMELESS]

Doffy was one of the only villains who actually seemed to at least kind of care about his subordinates. The Doffy Family felt like a real crew.

Doffy is the best villain post-skip. Bro, had drip, charisma, cared for his crewmates, had no problem throwing hands with an admiral, blackmailed the celestial dragons...The man was a beast. Too bad his combat feats didn't age well. I hope Oda gives him some great PU like advanced COC and makes him join Cross Guild. The man is too great a character to be sitting idly in Impel Down.

 

[kkck]

I gotta wonder if Sanji not using his mutations is a permanent thing or if something will happen that causes him also accept them. I kinda wonder if Oda set up judge for a sort fo redemption. Maybe redemption is a strong word but back at WCI there was that moment when perospero trapped judge and his children in candy and his kids simply laughed at the prospect of dying because Judges' mutations made them incapable of experiencing dread at the prospect of certain death. The series rather consistently framed sanji's siblings as evil however in context they are victims of Judge. The series has not exactly addressed this yet but it is fairly obvios sanji's siblings can't inherit judge's kingdom. Their limited emotional range makes them unsuitable for anything other than combat and without judge to order them around they probably wouldn't be able to even direct the kingdom. I suppose reiju might be the best candidate but she probably doesn't care about this. So if Judge is capable of a non zero amount of introspection then he could see that fixing the damage he did to his children is in his benefit. Which he might be able to if he can replicate what his late wife did to save sanji. Judge fixing and freeing his children could be a nice way to finally wrap up germa's bloody history.

Also a random thought... How ancient is the vinsmoke family? I recall them ruling one of the world's seas back in the day but I don't think we have been told how far back they go. I am wondering if perhaps the vinsmokes were one of the new royals created when the tenryubito ascended. Of course, their original kingdom might be long gone but it'd be interesting if a god knight or gorosei has a distant tie like that to sanji.

 

[Trip_LLL]

Doffy is the best villain post-skip. Bro, had drip, charisma, cared for his crewmates, had no problem throwing hands with an admiral, blackmailed the celestial dragons...The man was a beast. Too bad his combat feats didn't age well. I hope Oda gives him some great PU like advanced COC and makes him join Cross Guild. The man is too great a character to be sitting idly in Impel Down.

I'm not too worried. We still get updates on Doffy, we know WG wants to kill him, and he still knows something about a WG treasure. I'm really hopeful that Croc is going to bust him out. I think he'll be back for final war's free for all. Oda just likes the warlords too much.
Regarding his feats, Doflamingo's birdcage is still something an admiral could not cut or stop in its entirety. Let Oda say that all his strings became birdcage-quality and he'll be fine.
Crocodile went from jail to being back in the New World. Give Doflamingo the same proportional jump and he'll be fine.

 

[Imfamux]

I see where you are coming from, but all AWs don't necessarily work the same.
Pluton probably doesn't need the Motherflame.

Don't forget that during the Enies Lobby arc, the WG tried to acquire Pluton even though there was no Mother Flame, so it suggests that Pluton probably doesn't need it, otherwise, as you said, it'd be useless.

What makes it less likely that Pluton needs the MF is that the Gorosei said that anyone who acquires Pluton will rule the world and could even destroy the WG which was Crocodile's plan despite the fact the WG already have Uranus. It shows that Pluton might be more reliable than Uranus.

Seems that Imu isn't just here for Elbaph's giant army, he seemingly also thinks they have an Ancient Weapon.
We know right now that the WG are extremely weak compared to before, and they're desperate for power, so very likely that the entire reason they're in Elbaph is a desperate attempt to grab power as they're currently in dire straits. They're starving just because of the RA, I think that shows how much of a weakened state the WG is currently in.

Yeah - but I think - thus Ancient Technology actually could solve his sunlight problem - and that my fried - would be much more valuable than any other A.W - imagine if thus M.F don't have any physical limitation anymore - he could just walk around and people would start worshiping him like a real god !

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

Doffy was one of the only villains who actually seemed to at least kind of care about his subordinates. The Doffy Family felt like a real crew.

The first antagonist coming to my mind that actually cared deeply about his crew was Arlong, but yes Doffy caring that much about his crewmates is remarkable as well.

 

[NAMELESS]

I'm not too worried. We still get updates on Doffy, we know WG wants to kill him, and he still knows something about a WG treasure. I'm really hopeful that Croc is going to bust him out. I think he'll be back for final war's free for all. Oda just likes the warlords too much.
Regarding his feats, Doflamingo's birdcage is still something an admiral could not cut or stop in its entirety. Let Oda say that all his strings became birdcage-quality and he'll be fine.
Crocodile went from jail to being back in the New World. Give Doflamingo the same proportional jump and he'll be fine.

Doffy's base stats need a buff. Even Katakuri could keep up with Gear 4; he needs something to deal with that kinda of speed and AP. His Haki was mediocre for a big shot in the New World. Advanced COC is the bare minimum for him.

 

[Steven]

That Cracker victim will never be relevant again.He had his arc

 

[Crazytype]

Well yeah, both Kaido and Doflamingo cared a lot about their highest rank subordinates which were their actual crew mates. On other hand they didn't gave a shit about their lowest rank minions because they were easy to replace soooooo yeah, to some degree they were still horrible assholes. I would argue about Holy Knights NOT being weak though. I mean sure, at some point they deffinetly were really powerful but I'm quite sure that after Imu gifted them with immortality (well, at least our unwanted guests from Elbaf - Shamrock) their battle abilities could weaken. You know, because thanks to immortality they didn't have to depend on their stranght to survive. Look at example of Gunko: technically her body is soo easy to damage that even Usopps Grass Bomb was able to destroy upper half of her body while regular people don't get hurt THIS badly by them. She recovered but what would happen if she faced skilled conqueror haki user instead and would just take the hit without thinking? That's right, she would die immedietly. What's my point here? Well, I just think that ironically immortality made the Knights weaker because while they are still skilled fighters they lost their battle instincts which in normal setting would put their minds into "survival mode" during fights. Now despit fact that they have to finish their mission and get rid of every obstacle or else they will have to face Imus rage they can only run away. I assume it's because they kinda forgot how to fight to win AND survive. They dosen't dodge, they rarely block and it's all because they think immortality will always save them. Both Sommers and Killingham literally let Zoro and Sanji learn how to weaponize conqueror haki because they were taking all their hits. So while Holy Knights aren't full blown weaklings sense of security that immortality gave them deffinetly made them weaker than they should/could be.


Also about Franky well, I also don't remember when he said it but I'm about to relearn. Currently I'm watching Egghead for the first time because I got fed up of watching week to week and went on break. The point is, I will check if Franky did said that during Egghead arc. Although I feel like he could say that more recently, mayby even during Elbaf arc.

I dont think GK have a weaker defense in universe. It just seems that way because thanks for them being immortal with generating body parts Oda is more willing to show severed body parts and stuff like this. Something he wouldn't dare (or in very rare and special cases) if the damage were permanent. Thats just the paradox of them being immortal. I think that Ussop used a new stronger attack on Gunko. I dont think it would have blasted off body parts on people without immortality but I think it would have shown some damage.

 

[Tonix]

The first antagonist coming to my mind that actually cared deeply about his crew was Arlong, but yes Doffy caring that much about his crewmates is remarkable as well.

I might have to reread or rewatch that arc because I don’t remember Arlong being like that.

The only other villain I remember caring about his crew is Moria.

 

[AmyRose]

I might have to reread or rewatch that arc because I don’t remember Arlong being like that.

The only other villain I remember caring about his crew is Moria.

He's right, Arlong WAS like that. He was very angry every time he finded out one of his crew mates were defeated. He wasn't kind to Nami but that's obvious because she's a human and he hate them. Hody on other hand, he was soo obsesed that he didn't even cared about fishmans even though root of his obsesion was hate for humans. I'm plenty sure Arlong would despise him if he would know what he almost did.

 

[Federicoxxx]

So...we pass from...Kidnapping the kids---to GO personally to Kill Loki and Luffy ,,, TO ROAM AROUND looking for Ancient Tech ?...

whateaver this TECH IS,,must be crazy important...considering the "LIFE OF MU" as he sayed himself is in grave danger if he doesnt return to Mariejois.,, risking your life roaming and island..for such tech, one so important HIS "For Himself", ,must worth the risk...

 

[AmyRose]

So...we pass from...Kidnapping the kids---to GO personally to Kill Loki and Luffy ,,, TO ROAM AROUND looking for Ancient Tech ?...

whateaver this TECH IS,,must be crazy important...considering the "LIFE OF MU" as he sayed himself is in grave danger if he doesnt return to Mariejois.,, risking your life roaming and island..for such tech, one so important HIS "For Himself", ,must worth the risk...

Did he said that he want to PERSONALY search for that tech though? Like right now? I didn't readed official translation just yet because I want to read it along with next one but I'm quite sure Imu said "after the conquest" which mean bit later. Mayby he plan to return to Elbaf (probably by controling someone this time) later after he'll make sure Elbaf belong to him and THEN search.

 

[Tonix]

He's right, Arlong WAS like that. He was very angry every time he finded out one of his crew mates were defeated. He wasn't kind to Nami but that's obvious because she's a human and he hate them. Hody on other hand, he was soo obsesed that he didn't even cared about fishmans even though root of his obsesion was hate for humans. I'm plenty sure Arlong would despise him if he would know what he almost did.

I always saw his outrage as being more pissed off about lowly humans beating his obviously superior fishmen. It came across (at least to me) as just racism/specism instead of concern for his bros.

 

[Federicoxxx]

Did he said that he want to PERSONALY search for that tech though? Like right now? I didn't readed official translation just yet because I want to read it along with next one but I'm quite sure Imu said "after the conquest" which mean bit later. Mayby he plan to return to Elbaf (probably by controling someone this time) later after he'll make sure Elbaf belong to him and THEN search.

Yup.. page 14 https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1030906

Leaving aside Slavery he is goin to turn every rock to find it...

pretty much

 

[kkck]

A point i occasionally bring up is that a meta plot point in the story is the destruction of the red line. Since imu seems to need to be at the red line to live then maybe this meta plot point has been about killing imu all along.

 

[Federicoxxx]

A point i occasionally bring up is that a meta plot point in the story is the destruction of the red line. Since imu seems to need to be at the red line to live then maybe this meta plot point has been about killing imu all along.

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Welp..for sure,,, he cant leave Mariejois for long,, i would love to know why...i also wonder if he is actively triying to find a way to solve,, and that might be related to ancient TECH,, or it just an issue of more hunger for POWER,, as mother flame is probably to fuel.. whateaver the hell Destroyed Lulusia's... indefinitively....

on any case, big part of the plan is yet,,being prepared by Sunk the whole daam world again,, the reasons of the, "Alcoholic bridges" like Tequila WOLF etc,, it is impreparation to Link mariejois to whateaver the hell resources left once the sea rise up and most of the world drown ... the red Line on any case being so high might be the very few places standing--, another blank century might be on the rise if things doesn't fully work out for them,,,

if they are prepared to a huge rise of the sea,, it is cause they are goin to use THE HELL OUT OF the weapon they used in Lulusia's and every island that get vaporized,, is goin to rise it even more..