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Big Mom's dream of her own private all race zoo?

I think Big Mom is severely misunderstood as having any forms of redeeming qualities.

When she says harmony, she actually means obedience. Tottoland is leave or die. Only chance to survive is if you belong to a unique species, well then you can spend the rest of eternity in a prison book.

The actual reason why Big Mom collects races is out of childish curiosity, and for similar childish reasons she also discriminates others for their racial appearance.

The reason why she pretends that its all about harmony is the same as why she places Mother Carmel photo at her tea parties and why she wants to enlarge her family. It is cover up to cope with the trauma she suffered, but she isn't actually capable of creating an Utopia free from racism as she is a racist herself, a super racist that discriminates and persecutes all races.

pretty much. I agree 100%. Everything you said in addition to the fact that she killed two of her own sons during the whole cake island arc wants to kill two of her daughters now with Lola and Chiffon. insulted puddings looks because of her third eye. She uses men to have children that she really cares nothing about by how she treats them. Shown when she abandoned pero two against 1 with Wanda and Carrot in sulong form. Her dream is a nightmare for everyone around her given that they live in fear of her raging berserk modes where their entire territory could be destroyed if they can't feed her fat ass the right thing in time. Aside from Doflamingo Big mom has been the most evil main villain character in the series so far. Even when she had amnesia she was willing to crush anything and anyone over red bean soup. I just couldn't see any form of a redemption for her as oda has made it clear she is a straight up villain in all her ways. Even as a kid when she wasn't a villain she was too dangerous to be around anyone because of her berserker rages when she didn't get her way. And it is almost a sure thing that she ate her friends and Mother Carmel. Big mom is basically a living nightmare to everyone and everything around her.
 

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pretty much. I agree 100%. Everything you said in addition to the fact that she killed two of her own sons during the whole cake island arc wants to kill two of her daughters now with Lola and Chiffon. insulted puddings looks because of her third eye. She uses men to have children that she really cares nothing about by how she treats them. Shown when she abandoned pero two against 1 with Wanda and Carrot in sulong form. Her dream is a nightmare for everyone around her given that they live in fear of her raging berserk modes where their entire territory could be destroyed if they can't feed her fat ass the right thing in time. Aside from Doflamingo Big mom has been the most evil main villain character in the series so far. Even when she had amnesia she was willing to crush anything and anyone over red bean soup. I just couldn't see any form of a redemption for her as oda has made it clear she is a straight up villain in all her ways. Even as a kid when she wasn't a villain she was too dangerous to be around anyone because of her berserker rages when she didn't get her way. And it is almost a sure thing that she ate her friends and Mother Carmel. Big mom is basically a living nightmare to everyone and everything around her.


But you r 100% right thats how she is..
 

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BM isn't just a villain to be beat by luffy... that's kaido

Sure she's a monster but what she built has potential for good.

Her children (from what was shown) seem to be doing what she says out of loyalty and not from any real alignment of their own. So (when/if) she (dies/changes), i'm sure a majority of her children would (stay/too), (to/and) maintain what she built.

^(sentence 1/ sentence 2) :smoke


Looking at the bigger picture.

One piece's conflicts have gone way beyond luffy's means (which is why it's frustrating that oda insist on having the SH be the center of the universe
).

...to not get long-winded. Totto land could be a potential factor in bringing about change in one piece's world (assuming there will be change- as it stands, unless there is a coup d'etat, the world government ain't going nowhere).

...:mono

also wci is one of the safest place in this world... as long as you pay up and stay out of BM's path when she's hungry. :derp
 

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Luffy's gonna coup the WG, but if Katakuri does succeed Big Mom, I can see the pirates and the territory becoming better. Can't say about Big Mom despite being corrected above, but Katakuri does seem to genuinely care about his family.
 

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Looks like Tama was simply on one of the BP's ships.

As for the identity of the person at the end. There should be two persons. A prostitute(Black Maria or one of her colleagues, maybe Hiyori?) and a man( King, Queen, Who's Who, Orochi(?) ).
 

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BM isn't just a villain to be beat by luffy... that's kaido

Sure she's a monster but what she built has potential for good.

Her children (from what was shown) seem to be doing what she says out of loyalty and not from any real alignment of their own. So (when/if) she (dies/changes), i'm sure a majority of her children would (stay/too), (to/and) maintain what she built.

^(sentence 1/ sentence 2) :smoke


Looking at the bigger picture.

One piece's conflicts have gone way beyond luffy's means (which is why it's frustrating that oda insist on having the SH be the center of the universe
).

...to not get long-winded. Totto land could be a potential factor in bringing about change in one piece's world (assuming there will be change- as it stands, unless there is a coup d'etat, the world government ain't going nowhere).

...:mono

also wci is one of the safest place in this world... as long as you pay up and stay out of BM's path when she's hungry. :derp
The old hag is nothing but a clown at this stage, an overpowered one, but still a clown.

Oda should've went with the poison plot and had her defeated by Luffy. Instead, we have panels of her showing how much of a clown she is
 

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Is everyone gone crazy ?

First of all, it doesn't fit Ivankov's speech way. Otherwise they would have told it in spoilers or in chapter.
After, why in hell Ivankov would be in Onigashima's 3rd floor ?

I know that Tama said she arrived in enemy ship but from that to think Ivankov, R.A. are here. I really don't think.

With all things, BM pirates, Supernovas, Marco, 9RS, Yamato, etc. I don't think Oda gonna introduce R.A. in this arc.
It is too much to handle.
Also, they are probably very busy with things happening to Sabo, Vivi-Cobra, Reverie.
I wouldn't be surprised if Shiki appeared next for the Rocks Pirates reunion.
 

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The old hag is nothing but a clown at this stage, an overpowered one, but still a clown.

Oda should've went with the poison plot and had her defeated by Luffy. Instead, we have panels of her showing how much of a clown she is
she's one of the only characters that has been given proper development during the timeskip... she ain't be going nowhere soon. :hmph
 

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I feel Big Mom's dream will be realized or at least, she'll pass it on to Luffy somehow. That dream will probably ensure she survives, unless that's not really her dream, or it changes. Kaidou probably will be alive too in order to cause chaos when Luffy goes against the World Government.
Exactly. She's going to be glad that to see her children in safe. And God Fucking Damn It, I will cry on BM's death while she's going to cheer up for Luffy in the final arc in her final moments.

Kaidou's not gonna be alive. Because he will be killed by Blackbeard in the final act of Wano.
 

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BM isn't just a villain to be beat by luffy... that's kaido

Sure she's a monster but what she built has potential for good.

Her children (from what was shown) seem to be doing what she says out of loyalty and not from any real alignment of their own. So (when/if) she (dies/changes), i'm sure a majority of her children would (stay/too), (to/and) maintain what she built.

^(sentence 1/ sentence 2) :smoke


Looking at the bigger picture.

One piece's conflicts have gone way beyond luffy's means (which is why it's frustrating that oda insist on having the SH be the center of the universe
).

...to not get long-winded. Totto land could be a potential factor in bringing about change in one piece's world (assuming there will be change- as it stands, unless there is a coup d'etat, the world government ain't going nowhere).

...:mono

also wci is one of the safest place in this world... as long as you pay up and stay out of BM's path when she's hungry. :derp
Totto land itself maybe. But not with Big mom leading it it won't. There is a reason that katakuri asked if luffy would be coming back to take down big mom. it is because he kinda wants her taken down. on one hand its his mom so he isn't going to do it himself if he could. But he clearly wasn't angry at the thought of her being taken down by Luffy. and think about what you said so long as you pay up WCI is safe? lol they are paying with their life and peice of the soul. she shortens peoples life spans for so called safety and they have the threat of their homes and islands being destroyed any day anyway if she wants to eat something and the cooks are too slow in making it. No way to flip that into being a positive. She is a tyrant and that isn't changing as long as she lives. Big mom isn't reforming into anything. she will either die in Wano, or will get thrown in impel down if the navy shows up at the end of wano before she dies. If tottoland becomes a positive it will be one of her kids that makes that happen. Not her.

The World Government as what it is will be destroyed in the end because the Celestial Dragons will not stay in power and the elitist hypocrisy serving slave master celestial dragons that the marines are currently won't stand either. akainu will go down before the series is over. And while the marines will not be destroyed they will be reformed likely under smoker and koby. that is the culmination of what is going on. A government will be there at the end but not the one that is currently in place. As far as the story being focused on the Straw hats lol it is their story of course it is focused on them. Why wouldn't it be.?

Just because oda created a great fictional world with great support characters and all doesn't change the fact that One piece is the story of the Straw hats.
Its not suddenly going to shift the narrative to Dragon, or Law, or Sabo or Shanks ect. They are a part of the story but the driving narrative has from the start been Luffy's adventure to become king of the pirates. The story of everyone else will be told within that primary narrative. That is how a story framework is done. You have your central focus, then everything else. Sure oda could design a arc following Sabo and the RA if he wanted to.

But its not Sabo's story. Sabo is a part of Luffys.
 

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Totto land itself maybe. But not with Big mom leading it it won't. There is a reason that katakuri asked if luffy would be coming back to take down big mom. it is because he kinda wants her taken down. on one hand its his mom so he isn't going to do it himself if he could. But he clearly wasn't angry at the thought of her being taken down by Luffy. and think about what you said so long as you pay up WCI is safe? lol they are paying with their life and peice of the soul. she shortens peoples life spans for so called safety and they have the threat of their homes and islands being destroyed any day anyway if she wants to eat something and the cooks are too slow in making it. No way to flip that into being a positive. She is a tyrant and that isn't changing as long as she lives. Big mom isn't reforming into anything. she will either die in Wano, or will get thrown in impel down if the navy shows up at the end of wano before she dies. If tottoland becomes a positive it will be one of her kids that makes that happen. Not her.

The World Government as what it is will be destroyed in the end because the Celestial Dragons will not stay in power and the elitist hypocrisy serving slave master celestial dragons that the marines are currently won't stand either. akainu will go down before the series is over. And while the marines will not be destroyed they will be reformed likely under smoker and koby. that is the culmination of what is going on. A government will be there at the end but not the one that is currently in place. As far as the story being focused on the Straw hats lol it is their story of course it is focused on them. Why wouldn't it be.?

Just because oda created a great fictional world with great support characters and all doesn't change the fact that One piece is the story of the Straw hats.
Its not suddenly going to shift the narrative to Dragon, or Law, or Sabo or Shanks ect. They are a part of the story but the driving narrative has from the start been Luffy's adventure to become king of the pirates. The story of everyone else will be told within that primary narrative. That is how a story framework is done. You have your central focus, then everything else. Sure oda could design a arc following Sabo and the RA if he wanted to.

But its not Sabo's story. Sabo is a part of Luffys.
thats why those " Around the world events" only happen after
a big war or at the end of the arc... at best you can get mini storys
in the cover pages... but thats its... things happening OUTSIDE LUFFY GANG PERSPECTIVE
ARE super super Scarse...

other than the POUND mini story .. in the covers
the last thing i remember was Black Beard claming.. it was time to get "SOMETHING"
while the marine was busy .. and also the SABO event in mariejois
 

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Totto land itself maybe. But not with Big mom leading it it won't. There is a reason that katakuri asked if luffy would be coming back to take down big mom. it is because he kinda wants her taken down. on one hand its his mom so he isn't going to do it himself if he could. But he clearly wasn't angry at the thought of her being taken down by Luffy.
That's basically what i said... :disappoint

and think about what you said so long as you pay up WCI is safe? lol they are paying with their life and peice of the soul. she shortens peoples life spans for so called safety and they have the threat of their homes and islands being destroyed any day anyway if she wants to eat something and the cooks are too slow in making it. No way to flip that into being a positive.

It is compared to the rest of the world, where any random pirate crew can come at any moment, and f*** s*** up (like shown in every single arc).


She is a tyrant and that isn't changing as long as she lives. Big mom isn't reforming into anything. she will either die in Wano, or will get thrown in impel down if the navy shows up at the end of wano before she dies. If tottoland becomes a positive it will be one of her kids that makes that happen. Not her.

Robin one of the main antagonist of an arc --> becomes crewmember.

Octopus guy who tormented nami all her childhood --> gives her/crew tour of fmi.

judge genetically altered all his children, pawned off sanji--> saves crew
Sanji brothers, sociopaths --> saves him

Heck even crocodile saved luffy after trying to kill him and being a ruthless dictator.


As far as i'm concerned, Big mom could've ate chopper, and still have a decent chance at turning good. :hmph


The World Government as what it is will be destroyed in the end because the Celestial Dragons will not stay in power and the elitist hypocrisy serving slave master celestial dragons that the marines are currently won't stand either. akainu will go down before the series is over. And while the marines will not be destroyed they will be reformed likely under smoker and koby. that is the culmination of what is going on. A government will be there at the end but not the one that is currently in place.

And that's something we assume as readers.


As far as the story being focused on the Straw hats lol it is their story of course it is focused on them. Why wouldn't it be.?

Because of the above. They can't do all that solo.
 

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Robin one of the main antagonist of an arc --> becomes crewmember.

Octopus guy who tormented nami all her childhood --> gives her/crew tour of fmi.

judge genetically altered all his children, pawned off sanji--> saves crew
Sanji brothers, sociopaths --> saves him

Heck even crocodile saved luffy after trying to kill him and being a ruthless dictator.


As far as i'm concerned, Big mom could've ate chopper, and still have a decent chance at turning good. :hmph
There is a lot of lack of logic here.

Robin didn't show any antagonististical behavior after Whiskey Peak (which in truth likely was faked, too, given Igaram's survival) and her betraying Crocodile is hinted at halfway through Alabasta arc.

Hachan never tormented Nami and was already introduced as a sympathetic person with no real hatred towards humans in Arlong Park arc.

Family is family and it makes sense for a person so full with empathy as Sanji to do what he did.
The sociopath brothers follow Judge's commands, who in turn, which you would have realized had you carefully read WCI arc, is a hypocrite and just as emotional as Sanji.

Crocodile has reasons to have a grudge on Luffy for what he did but has no reasons to hate him on a personal level and is actually just like him as revealed by Mrs Goldenweeks cover story that you simply omitted from your one-liner description. Luffy bought him a ticket into freedom, essentially making up for the Alabasta situation as best as possible. Similar personalities, amendment, see, there you have the window of change opened.

Which is part of what One Piece is all about. With their actions, the Strawhats trigger changes in the people they have met.


Like really, things like this prove that you don't actually read this series with much care, which makes it hard to consider your often harsh criticism of it. It all has this undertone of you trying to establish alternative facts, you also spread conspiracy theories, so what is this all about?
 
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Someone posted this absolute masterpiece on Reddit-

Even if it means he's the world's strongest pirate, Shanks is known as more than a pirate. He's not just a pirate. He can clearly negotiate with the world government. He's probably a high ranking official. Who knows what else he's got under his sleeve.

Sure, if Kaido and Shanks fought in a 1v1 fight with just piracy Kaido probably edges him out. But overall, Shanks is still stronger because of his haki and other fighting styles outside of piracy.
 

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I don't know about Big Mom being an ally, but there is more potential for her indeed. Oda made her come to Onigashima, but separated her from the crew, there is the stuff with Pudding's eye.

I don't think Luffy will defeat Kaidou alone, but he might defeat her later by himself. If Oda doesn't make her lose this arc as well.

Someone posted this absolute masterpiece on Reddit-

Even if it means he's the world's strongest pirate, Shanks is known as more than a pirate. He's not just a pirate. He can clearly negotiate with the world government. He's probably a high ranking official. Who knows what else he's got under his sleeve.

Sure, if Kaido and Shanks fought in a 1v1 fight with just piracy Kaido probably edges him out. But overall, Shanks is still stronger because of his haki and other fighting styles outside of piracy.
Damage control? :Haha
 

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Someone in a different website pointed this out and I dont know if anyone here mentioned this yet (too lazy to check), but Yamato in this chapter made the same growl sound as the dragon in punk hazard.
 

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That's basically what i said... :disappoint




It is compared to the rest of the world, where any random pirate crew can come at any moment, and f*** s*** up (like shown in every single arc).





Robin one of the main antagonist of an arc --> becomes crewmember.

Octopus guy who tormented nami all her childhood --> gives her/crew tour of fmi.

judge genetically altered all his children, pawned off sanji--> saves crew
Sanji brothers, sociopaths --> saves him

Heck even crocodile saved luffy after trying to kill him and being a ruthless dictator.


As far as i'm concerned, Big mom could've ate chopper, and still have a decent chance at turning good. :hmph





And that's something we assume as readers.





Because of the above. They can't do all that solo.

the big difference on the comparisons you used there on Robin, Hatchan and Germa is this. Robin was never a real villain but because of her childhood and life didn't trust anyone but herself and used people as needed to get by until she learned that she could trust the straw hats as her family. Hatchan was a tool and a follower of Arlong because of prejudice against humans over what the world government did to fishmen specifically the celestial dragons.
Hatchan was weak and followed after Arlong on whatever. Nami forgave him because it wasn't really him that tormented her he was just there for it all as Arlongs follower. it was Arlong who did it. Germa only helped them because they saved Germa's ass from big mom. They repaid the favor. They didn't really turn good aside from Reiju they are still dicks. Crocodile was kinda the same deal. Luffy helped him get out of impel down. in marineford he chose to fight with him to repay that favor but split immediately after. He's still a douche he just has no intent to fight luffy anymore right now. Doesn't mean that won't change before its over. If Big mom was going to turn good she would have stayed as olin and helped them fight Kaido when that whole part was happening. Just because Big mom got used as a kid by carmel and got a back story doesn't mean she's suddenly going to one day stop being a evil soul eating bitch that kills her own children on a whim. All the others you listed either had a reason for helping the straw hats or turning good as Robin and Hatchan did. Robin was never actually bad in the first place because if she was Igaram would have been dead in Whiskey peak instead of surviving her blowing up his ship. or she could have easily just killed Vivi at any time prior to Luffy and them showing up since she clearly knew about her.

There is a direct reason and context to why they all did what they did when they did it. Big mom has no reason to ever do the same. Luffy is a direct threat to everything she wants. She isn't going to stop trying to kill him. The way her character is is designed as a selfish child in a fat berserkers body who throws tantrums when she doesn't get her way or what she wants to eat when she wants it. OP doesn't just face turn a villain. There has always been a big underlying reason for it. With big mom there is no such reason for her to ever side with Luffy when his goals stand opposed to hers and since she is selfish she will kill him or die trying.

The yonko are not the same as the characters you listed. Aside from shanks who will likely still get killed by Blackbeard at some point all the yonko will die before this series ends. Whether Big mom lasts past Wano is debatable. Her death in my opinion is certain. Hell kaido mighr kill her himself if she gets in his way. I just don't see her surviving or turning good. none of the yonko will.
 

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the big difference on the comparisons you used there on Robin, Hatchan and Germa is this. Robin was never a real villain but because of her childhood and life didn't trust anyone but herself and used people as needed to get by until she learned that she could trust the straw hats as her family. Hatchan was a tool and a follower of Arlong because of prejudice against humans over what the world government did to fishmen specifically the celestial dragons.
Hatchan was weak and followed after Arlong on whatever.

Hatchan watched a madman torture helpless people and fought to maintain said reign.
Germa 66 heartless mercenaries who have killed countless for money. Big Mom was probably doing the world a favor by killing them.
Robin... I used her as an example due to her previous position in the story. Morality wise she is utterly indifferent (have you ever noticed her dark humor?).

Interestingly enough, Big Mom has done more good with her life, than the ones used as an example combined (...even to this day).


Nami forgave him because it wasn't really him that tormented her he was just there for it all as Arlongs follower. it was Arlong who did it. Germa only helped them because they saved Germa's ass from big mom. They repaid the favor. They didn't really turn good aside from Reiju they are still dicks. Crocodile was kinda the same deal. Luffy helped him get out of impel down. in marineford he chose to fight with him to repay that favor but split immediately after. He's still a douche he just has no intent to fight luffy anymore right now. Doesn't mean that won't change before its over. If Big mom was going to turn good she would have stayed as olin and helped them fight Kaido when that whole part was happening. Just because Big mom got used as a kid by carmel and got a back story doesn't mean she's suddenly going to one day stop being a evil soul eating bitch that kills her own children on a whim. All the others you listed either had a reason for helping the straw hats or turning good as Robin and Hatchan did. Robin was never actually bad in the first place because if she was Igaram would have been dead in Whiskey peak instead of surviving her blowing up his ship. or she could have easily just killed Vivi at any time prior to Luffy and them showing up since she clearly knew about her.

There is a direct reason and context to why they all did what they did when they did it. Big mom has no reason to ever do the same. Luffy is a direct threat to everything she wants. She isn't going to stop trying to kill him. The way her character is is designed as a selfish child in a fat berserkers body who throws tantrums when she doesn't get her way or what she wants to eat when she wants it. OP doesn't just face turn a villain. There has always been a big underlying reason for it. With big mom there is no such reason for her to ever side with Luffy when his goals stand opposed to hers and since she is selfish she will kill him or die trying.

Tbh she is more ruthless/insane than she is evil. You cure the eating people thing and Totto Land would be a pretty sweet place to be. (Get it? "Sweet place to be"! :derp )


The yonko are not the same as the characters you listed. Aside from shanks who will likely still get killed by Blackbeard at some point all the yonko will die before this series ends. Whether Big mom lasts past Wano is debatable. Her death in my opinion is certain. Hell kaido mighr kill her himself if she gets in his way. I just don't see her surviving or turning good.

The Big Mom disrespect...:nah


none of the yonko will.
Bold statement considering how little characters have been killed so far.

I really don't see either dying besides maybe kaido (...cause he has literally asked for it).
 

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Hatchan watched a madman torture helpless people and fought to maintain said reign.
Germa 66 heartless mercenaries who have killed countless for money. Big Mom was probably doing the world a favor by killing them.
Robin... I used her as an example due to her previous position in the story. Morality wise she is utterly indifferent (have you ever noticed her dark humor?).

Interestingly enough, Big Mom has done more good with her life, than the ones used as an example combined (...even to this day).





Tbh she is more ruthless/insane than she is evil. You cure the eating people thing and Totto Land would be a pretty sweet place to be. (Get it? "Sweet place to be"! :derp )





The Big Mom disrespect...:nah




Bold statement considering how little characters have been killed so far.

I really don't see either dying besides maybe kaido (...cause he has literally asked for it).
Robins morbid sayings is a running gag like sanji's stupid nose bleeds. i ignore that as its irrelevant to anything of merit.

With hatchan everything i stated on him explains why that was the case. He is a weak follower type even though he can some what fight he is easy to control in the case of someone like Arlong that has a strong personality and was a fellow fish man. it mainly came down to him following Arlong because he was angry about Tiger. Hatchan didn't stop it, but had he tried to he'd have just got knocked aside and got his ass kicked for being a human sympathizer even though Arlong wouldn't kill him hatchi wasn't the type to stand up to anything he would just follow whatever he was told. What your argument here is tyring to dismiss is Big moms evil. You are trying to give her some kind of credit like there is any good in her right now because she says she wants a place with races all living together in harmony which is a borrowed fake dream that the person that told her didn't even care about herself. Big mom is a hypocrite. She says that but then takes pieces of peoples soul for security and like said before could possibly kill them all herself if she goes on a food berserk mode rage. Randomly kills towns of people to steal shit to throw a tea party. ect. Just because she was not entirely to blame for the things she did as a kid in elbaf and got manipulated and used by carmel does not excuse how she is now. Aside from Doflamingo she is the most evil character in the series shown up to this point. I exclude the Celestial dragons from that because they are just elitist pieces of crap save that one guy who changed because of otohime. I mean Big mom killed her own son because he tried to stop her from destroying the country when she was going around destroying everything screaming WEDDING CAKE! And she killed another son before that. This is her own family now take that into account. Even Doflamingo wasn't so twisted that he killed his own crew for such a reason.

As far as Germa goes again you are side stepping the point. you blast Germa yet are doing so to defend Big mom which is lulz given that she is worse then even they are overall. They are mercs for better or worse they could fight for a bad side or a good one depending who hired them. They are for sure bastards. But WCI made it evident that the Big mom pirates were worse aside from a handful of them. They obey big mom out of fear. Not loyalty.

And no matter what Big mom might say she cares nothing for her own kids the material is all the proof needed for that. She just has kids uses them to marry off to someone to make alliances for her fairy tail hell verse land where the price to live there is a monthly piece of your soul shortening your life each time. nothing in one piece is more evil then Big mom for that alone. She is also as you said ruthless and insane. You only say she did good because she claims some righteous reasoning for building the place. But when the price for being there is pieces of the life of the people there you don't get more evil.
There is no good in that. For a pun to fit her country it is a bunch of sugar coated bullshit. Sweet words of idealism but in the hands of a evil twisted tyrant like her that place is a living nightmare for everyone that lives there. Including the rest of the big mom pirates because unless she got what she wanted when she wanted it. She'd kill them all. Which is why when Katakuri seemed ok with the idea when he asked Luffy if he'd come back to finish off Big mom. He cares about his family if nothing else. his statement showed that he knows she needs to be taken down. And was fine with the idea of it happening. And he is her top general and son. So that says about all that needs to be said about her fairy tail ideal world that you seem hell bent on defending for some reason. Big mom is the type of character who says shit that sounds good but since she is a complete hypocrite and twisted evil cow it holds no weight or merit. Because as said its sugar coated bullshit. Whether or not she dies can be debated maybe, but if she doesn't die she is going to impel down. Non of the Yonko will allow Luffy to become king save maybe Shanks. All of them have to fall for it to happen. Hence Luffy telling Law on Punk hazard i'm taking down all the Emperors eventually. He said it he's going to do it.

But the notion that big mom has done more good then Robin, Hatchan or Germa. Germa yeah they are mercs like i said they can save a country or destroy one depending who hired them. They are villains. Hatchan is middle ground he was a pirate soldier fishman elitist. While by himself he is mostly harmless as a follower he did whatever Arlong commanded him to. doesn't mean he is responsible for Arlongs crimes it means he just obeyed orders Arlong gave. But he didn't kill anyone there Arlong killed Bellimere. The difference in them Hatchan had remorse about it and was willing to die in sabaody rather then let luffy risk everything to help him or camie. As for Robin she will be apart of the group that liberates the world from the tyranny of the elitist Celestial Dragons and minion tool marines they control like puppets on strings. That will be far more good then anyone in the entirety of the OP universe has done. Big mom will not accomplish her supposed dream because what she says she wants can never happen in a place like she built that operates in the people obeying out of fear of her. Hence her hypocrisy. She wants giants because elbaf would rather be destroyed then have anything to do with her. so she hires Caesar to kidnap children and turn them into Giants for her. Caesar did it with Vergo covering it up. But Big mom paid to have it done. Everything that was done to those kids on punk hazard was her fault. I simply call it as i see it. Big mom is evil in more ways then most of the other villains in the series are. She is worse hen black beard at least right now. She is worse then Kaido overall in terms of being more evil. only Doffy compares. He is just a different kind of evil. Chaotic and cunning. While Big mom is selfish and heartless to everything but what she wants.

With Big mom its all about Big mom. she doesn't give a damn about anyone in tottoland. she only even wants to do it because carmel said it and she doesn't realize that she ate her in a berserker mode munch down along with the rest of her childhood friends. Was she evil then? not really. But she was too dangerous to be around people and still is. None of them in tottoland can stop her. they just have to hurry to try and get her what she wants before she kills them all whenever it happens. That is a living nightmare and in no way a good place to be in any way shape or form. It is more you arguing for the idealism of a place where all races live n harmony thought. Then recognizing that Big mom herself is the biggest threat to such a thing being real harmony and happy. Fear and paying for security with your own soul and life is not ideal in any way shape or form.
 
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