One Piece Discussion & Long Time Prediction Thread

[SpaceDBadger]

I've always been of the opinion that for whatever reason BB can hold 2 DFs is also in some way stops him from being able to use haki. BB clearly knows what haki is and I have always (from early on, since the Ace fight) why he never used it. It was confirmed he not only knew it but could sense it within Luffy when they met in ID. So my tehory was the reason he especially wanted the yami fruit was because it was effectively a fruit that enabled you to use haki without possessing it..... and also an added benefit allowed (my personel theory) extract another fruit (ie the quake fruit) and make use of his natural ability of being able to use two......

This (for a long time) has been my theory of Bb and what he calls his (MASTER PLAN). I also kinda get the feeling WB knew this about BB (ie his inability to use haki) and that also could potentially shed some light on why WB knew that BB wasn't going to be PK, because clearly the PK needs the kings disposition!

What do you guys think?
This theory answers many ppls old complaints of haki making BB fruit obsolete
It also answers why a pirate as strong as BB has never used haki
as well as shed some light on BB "master plan"

 

[Bobbina]

If BB can't use haki, later on, then hes screwed. That was why he ran away from Akainu, cuz he couldnt use haki. If he never could, then he wouldnt even make it close to Raftel. and the Yami Yami no mi isn't the same as haki. True, u negate the enemies powers, but u cant use CoO, and u dont strengthen ur abilites, plus u cant attach it to weapons and all. Unless BB is touching the person, BB cant harm Logias and stuff, unless he learns Haki. All logias and such would instantly eliminate BB, which shouldn't happen

 

[elitefox]

If BB can't use haki, later on, then hes screwed. That was why he ran away from Akainu, cuz he couldnt use haki. If he never could, then he wouldnt even make it close to Raftel. and the Yami Yami no mi isn't the same as haki. True, u negate the enemies powers, but u cant use CoO, and u dont strengthen ur abilites, plus u cant attach it to weapons and all. Unless BB is touching the person, BB cant harm Logias and stuff, unless he learns Haki. All logias and such would instantly eliminate BB, which shouldn't happen

he can just make a big black hole to suck everything

I wonder if magma boy can run

but he kinda slowpoke but strong defense

 

[SpaceDBadger]

If BB can't use haki, later on, then hes screwed. That was why he ran away from Akainu, cuz he couldnt use haki. If he never could, then he wouldnt even make it close to Raftel. and the Yami Yami no mi isn't the same as haki. True, u negate the enemies powers, but u cant use CoO, and u dont strengthen ur abilites, plus u cant attach it to weapons and all. Unless BB is touching the person, BB cant harm Logias and stuff, unless he learns Haki. All logias and such would instantly eliminate BB, which shouldn't happen

I hear what you're saying mate, but this guys was on WB's crew FOR 20 YEARS and sailing around NW FOR 20 YEARS, that AGES< the man MUST have haki, yet shows NO SIGN of using it, not against Ace, not in the war. And yes no haki does = massive handicap THAT is my point.

BB has the most powerful defensive and destructive DF powers
LUFFY has the most durable DF and great haki

That to me is kinda how the final fight gets balanced.
If BB has Haki (not to mention king's disposition) AND 2 DF's of that caliber i think it'll be almost unrealistic if Luffy CAN beat him....... I mean it's like mathematically impossible!!

 

[Shadoguardian]

Alright! We're, more-or-less, halfway around the One Piece world (and possibly the story)! So now what's going to happen to the Strawhats? What kind of adventures will they undertake? It is nearly impossible to imagine we know what Oda is thinking, but it'll be fun to guess, right?

Personally, I think the adventures they might undertake after leaving Fishman Island (besides searching for One Piece) are:
-Strawhats vs. Vegapunk (may take place on Fishman Island itself);
-Strawhats vs. old Supernovas;
-Strawhats vs. Kaidou pirates;
-Strawhats in Elbaf (Giant country);
-Strawhats in the Wano country;
-Strawhats and the Revolutionaries;
-Search for the Devil Fruit tree;
-Strawhats vs. Red-Haired pirates;
-Strawhats vs. Blackbeard Pirates;
-Strawhats vs. the World Government.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

That to me is kinda how the final fight gets balanced.
If BB has Haki (not to mention king's disposition) AND 2 DF's of that caliber i think it'll be almost unrealistic if Luffy CAN beat him....... I mean it's like mathematically impossible!!

It can be that Luffy won't be affected by Gura Gura no mi, cause he is rubber. And he can deffend now from Yami Yami no mi by using CoA Haki. By this I can't see how BB can win against Luffy without Haki. And there is a possibility that he doesn't know it. Because if he knew it he would have used it against Ace and wouldn't have run from Akainu. Even if he travelled 20 years with WB it doesn't nessesary influence his Haki. As it was stated by Rayleigh:
http://www.mangareader.net/103-56928-11/one-piece/chapter-597.html
"majority of humans go without noticing this power or perhaps finish their lifes failling to ever pull it out, even if they try".
So we can judje that he hasn't got any Haki for now and I'd say he won't pull it out.

 

[c0nflikt]

BB is not the final enemy, He's minor.

 

[scav]

BB is not the final enemy, He's minor.

agreed, everyone is convinced that BB will be the last, but i think its too predictable and oda isn't a predictable guy. i still believe we will have a big surprise in the end,after the battle against BB,i think we will have the secret of the one piece, a things that roger couldn't do and what luffy will do(roger is waiting for someone, maybe the one piece is a test).something behind the blank century, a last opponement

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

The last opponent should be World Government. So after finding One Piece Luffy may turn against them ganging with Revolutionary Army to beat crap out of Gorosei and Tenryubito.

 

[ngsertar]

I hear what you're saying mate, but this guys was on WB's crew FOR 20 YEARS and sailing around NW FOR 20 YEARS, that AGES< the man MUST have haki, yet shows NO SIGN of using it, not against Ace, not in the war. And yes no haki does = massive handicap THAT is my point.

BB has the most powerful defensive and destructive DF powers
LUFFY has the most durable DF and great haki

That to me is kinda how the final fight gets balanced.
If BB has Haki (not to mention king's disposition) AND 2 DF's of that caliber i think it'll be almost unrealistic if Luffy CAN beat him....... I mean it's like mathematically impossible!!

Interesting reading indeed. With speculating, i see a possibility boath possesing haki, cause luffy seems to use haki more, hence he could have improved or perfected it more. As u mentioned, calibres of haki.
There is a point about haki which itches me. 1 description about it - " is the lifeforce or energy or will or ambition ". So if Luffys ambition is bigger and better as BBs(which it is) maybe thats the reason which could explain the stuff mentioned before. Like WB only died after feeling he has "done enought" - i think his ambition gave him the endurance and let him stand while dying....
Thats just how i see it and for sure there is much more to it...

 

[Bobbina]

I agree to all of those except SH vs. Red-hair pirates. Unless Shank's betray's Luffy or its just a play game, The SHs won't battle them. I don't think the devil fruit tree though. I'd love to see that, but there was this filler episode where DFs came out of the ground of the sea. So if they meet the DF tree, then the anime can't show that or they would be contradicting themselves. Oh and apparently the Time-Skip is the halfway point of the story itself.

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Well yeah Andonan, but if BB had had haki then he must have been one of the prominent crewmates yet his bounty still was 0. Plus he was saying "Oh, I ain't got no such ambition." when Ace asked BB if BB was ok with being captain. Obviously he was lying, but if he was learning haki he wouldve given himself away. The whole point of being with WB is hiding under a great shadow while sailing to find the Yami Yami no mi. He wouldn't need Haki. Plus only the CHOSEN ones have King's Dispo. and I don't think BB has it or will.

And Ngsertar, yeah that is probably it, the ambition of WB and stuff about that.

 

[elitefox]

I agree to all of those except SH vs. Red-hair pirates. Unless Shank's betray's Luffy or its just a play game, The SHs won't battle them. I don't think the devil fruit tree though. I'd love to see that, but there was this filler episode where DFs came out of the ground of the sea. So if they meet the DF tree, then the anime can't show that or they would be contradicting themselves. Oh and apparently the Time-Skip is the halfway point of the story itself.
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Well yeah Andonan, but if BB had had haki then he must have been one of the prominent crewmates yet his bounty still was 0. Plus he was saying "Oh, I ain't got no such ambition." when Ace asked BB if BB was ok with being captain. Obviously he was lying, but if he was learning haki he wouldve given himself away. The whole point of being with WB is hiding under a great shadow while sailing to find the Yami Yami no mi. He wouldn't need Haki. Plus only the CHOSEN ones have King's Dispo. and I don't think BB has it or will.

And Ngsertar, yeah that is probably it, the ambition of WB and stuff about that.

A friendly war isn't bad like WB and shanks do


BB might have a strong COA that is why he can't be harmed much

 

[Bobbina]

Well yeah, a friendly war, but I mean as in an actual all-out brawl. That's what i thought he was saying.

What does that mean? O.o Does that have anything to do with what I said?

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

elitefox

BB might have a strong COA that is why he can't be harmed much

No way. If he had CoA haki he would have used it already against Ace, during the war at Marinford and also wouldn't have run from Akainu. I think he is just too fat, so he is rather durable. And also Marco mentioned about him having some weird body, so maybe it is connected. And also you shold take in consideration that he isn't rookie. He was on WB ship for a long time, so at least he should be durable.

 

[Rody naruto]

I wonder if one day we'll Zoro fight Luffy.Remember when he agreed to join Luffy's crew,he told him about is ambition to be the number one swordsman in the world.He also told him that if he ever stand on his way he'll kill him.So that definetly mean he wants to fight most of the strongest swordsmen.Now i wonder if that means that he will fight Shanks as well.Because if thats the case then it means Luffy will surely stand on is way dont you think?I hope that will happen 'cause i always wanted to see i serious fight to death betwen those two.

 

[Geez]

For those who wonder whether BB knows haki, in this page he clearly seem to know it.

 

[tothx]

It can be that Luffy won't be affected by Gura Gura no mi, cause he is rubber. And he can deffend now from Yami Yami no mi by using CoA Haki. By this I can't see how BB can win against Luffy without Haki. And there is a possibility that he doesn't know it. Because if he knew it he would have used it against Ace and wouldn't have run from Akainu. Even if he travelled 20 years with WB it doesn't nessesary influence his Haki. As it was stated by Rayleigh:
http://www.mangareader.net/103-56928-11/one-piece/chapter-597.html
"majority of humans go without noticing this power or perhaps finish their lifes failling to ever pull it out, even if they try".
So we can judge that he hasn't got any Haki for now and I'd say he won't pull it out.

Blackbeard has the name of D so it's likely he has the disposition to pull out CoC, he allready commented on Luffy's haki having gotten better so it's allso likely he's allready capable of using it. Blackbeard allso has a stated weakness in the fact that his logia makes him feel a lot more pain then other people. Along with a solid body

With his current power he is one of the most terrifying people in one peice, looking at the people in the bar talking about him over the past two years proves this. He might even have taken over for whitebeard by now, atleast he will most definitely be a yonkou.

And the fight between Luffy and him will be one of willpowers colliding. It will decide who the true holder of the Will of D is or whatever that means, Roger anticipated that someone in the next generation would be him.

 

[Bobbina]

I don't think BB actually is a D. Whitebeard said "your not one of them." And I don't think BB is one who carries Roger's will, he seems too ruthless.

I think thats the translator, Geez. Oda probably said ambition or something. On my site it doesn't say that.

Jorge, apparently his darkness absorbs injury. He bleeds and feels pain but unless has his DF canceled, can heal.

 

[Geez]

I think thats the translator, Geez. Oda probably said ambition or something. On my site it doesn't say that.

How can they mistranslate a Japanese word ?
I know on mangastream too, it doesn't mention "haki" but a translation's error like "HAKI -> ambition" has more sense than the opposite.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Geez
If BB knows about Haki it doesn't mean that he can use it. Until we see it we can't assume that he can use it.

Bobbina
I think in a terms of taking damage he is like ordinary people, the only difference is that he feels more pain, because of his DF's nature.