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Heres a fast drawing of my thoughts.

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I somehow like this thought ^^
 
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@BurnSchulz: Can't see whats in your spoiler tag? Your having no thoughts? :p
 

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Zoro is pretty 'Super Human'. And Oda always gives him time to draw his swords. Not to mention he can already draw them so fast that most normal people can't react. Zoro's signature is the Three swords on one hip. Idk I just don't see him doing it that way. Not to mention that after training with Mihawk, he is going to be faster, stronger and most likely able to predict any threat/opposition.
Not to mention Katana's are long. 4-6 Feet. His neck simply isn't long enough for hiim to be able to draw it that way.
 

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Zoro is pretty 'Super Human'. And Oda always gives him time to draw his swords. Not to mention he can already draw them so fast that most normal people can't react. Zoro's signature is the Three swords on one hip. Idk I just don't see him doing it that way. Not to mention that after training with Mihawk, he is going to be faster, stronger and most likely able to predict any threat/opposition.
Youre absolutely right, and i totally aggree with you, especially the "Sig of Zoro" Part.

Maybe i was a little to overexited, but i love this idea. (It doesnt fit to Zoro yes ^^)
 

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@BurnSchulz. That theory made me think of Killer bee from naruto. The guy uses 8 swords to fight and he owns with it.

But that makes me think. Luffy's upgrades are potentially endless (excluding haki cause their fighting styles wont be effected). Luffy can add more gears and the fact that he can possibly get a weapon to use which would grant him two ways of fighting. But then there is zoro and with the exclusion of haki, what real upgrades is he going to get that would allow us to see something new. Getting different swords still aint going to change the way he fights. Mihawk training him is indeed going to make him stronger, faster, but subsequently what we would see is him fighting the same only that we know this time he is stronger and faster. Thats what i dislike about Zoros fighting, that from what we have seen, at the level he has grown to in swords fighting, he pretty much fights exactly the same as someone below him......except we know that he is stronger. The zoro vs kaku fight is a good example. In that whole fight, the most versatile was kaku and his sword fighting was much more impressive than Zoros (because of his devil fruit). Zoro just fought exactly the same as he always does then did the one second Asura. The way i see Zoro's sword swordsmanship progressing is basically stronger ones of those one second techniques he does whilst the rest of his fighting would remain boring (on his part). I hope Oda makes Zoro's swordsmanship more versatile like kaku's. Even if it means giving him a devil fruit, and that is not me inviting a discussion about him getting a devil fruit or not cause it remains a fact that it's possible.

And im aware zoros techniques aint literally one second. I only tried to express the way his sword fighting is basic when fighting offensively and is not really effective against his opponents until he does one of his techniques which actually is like one second if you dont count the build up. It would be cool if in the future Zoro's sword fighting would allow him to have fights like luffys where he is actually doing major damage to his opponents in the course of the whole fight rather than having a technique that just finishes everything.

And also, on the discussion about who is most likely to become fleet admiral. Its simple, aoikiji is more suitable but akainu is most likely. The discussion came up in this thread and
this is my explanation.
 
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@BurnSchulz. That theory made me think of Killer bee from naruto. The guy uses 8 swords to fight and he owns with it.

But that makes me think. Luffy's upgrades are potentially endless (excluding haki cause their fighting styles wont be effected). Luffy can add more gears and the fact that he can possibly get a weapon to use which would grant him two ways of fighting. But then there is zoro and with the exclusion of haki, what real upgrades is he going to get that would allow us to see something new. Getting different swords still aint going to change the way he fights. Mihawk training him is indeed going to make him stronger, faster, but subsequently what we would see is him fighting the same only that we know this time he is stronger and faster. Thats what i dislike about Zoros fighting, that from what we have seen, at the level he has grown to in swords fighting, he pretty much fights exactly the same as someone below him......except we know that he is stronger. The zoro vs kaku fight is a good example. In that whole fight, the most versatile was kaku and his sword fighting was much more impressive than Zoros (because of his devil fruit). Zoro just fought exactly the same as he always does then did the one second Asura. The way i see Zoro's sword swordsmanship progressing is basically stronger ones of those one second techniques he does whilst the rest of his fighting would remain boring (on his part). I hope Oda makes Zoro's swordsmanship more versatile like kaku's. Even if it means giving him a devil fruit, and that is not me inviting a discussion about him getting a devil fruit or not cause it remains a fact that it's possible.

And im aware zoros techniques aint literally one second. I only tried to express the way his sword fighting is basic when fighting offensively and is not really effective against his opponents until he does one of his techniques which actually is like one second if you dont count the build up. It would be cool if in the future Zoro's sword fighting would allow him to have fights like luffys where he is actually doing major damage to his opponents in the course of the whole fight rather than having a technique that just finishes everything.

And also, on the discussion about who is most likely to become fleet admiral. Its simple, aoikiji is more suitable but akainu is most likely. The discussion came up in this thread and
this is my explanation.
The reason why Zoro ends his fights in one move is cause... Idk his opponents get stabbed with a sword? I mean Luffy's fights are able to last longer and have him do massive damage because Luffy uses no weapon. The second you get cut you start to lose blood, blood loss makes your reaction time slower and eventually will effect all of your senses. Knife fighters in general go for multiple slice wounds that will eventually tire/weaken the opponent allowing the knife user to go in for the kill. Swords on the other hand are big. Katana's are usually 4-6 feet long if you slice someone with a sword they are going to be fucked up. And most people are not like Luffy who can sustain injuries like he got nuked and keep on fighting. The whole samurai thing, most sword fights are ended in 1-2 exchanges. Unless the they are equally matched and it will be a long fight of endurance. Sword fights generally speaking once the blade touches skin the fight is pretty much over.
I believe Zoro is Oda's version of a Samurai. Testing your opponents swordsman ship seeing the holes in the defense of said swordsman shit then finishing your opponent before he has a chance to fix said holes.
You really can't take massive damage from a sword and still be up and ready to fight. Sword fighting in general isn't very interesting it was made to be the most efficient way to end your opponent and I'm fairly sure Oda will keep Zoro's fights they way they have been.
 
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I don't see how Luffy can get new gears...
Like, what he will extend this time? Gear 2 = veins, Gear 3 = bones. He can put haki into those, but I can't see him creating a new gear just because there is haki :/

What I really want to see is Franky like a Transformer. He could improve his Centaur form :p
 

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Bonney was captured by Akainu, she has the power to make living things older or younger. I think she is forced to make the 5 elders to be young again (in my opinion the final enemy of the SH, because about the truth 800 years ago, the SH will reveal it to the world.)
Hmm, what if that G-5 is actually already leaving for 800 years :D

and because of bonney they aren't aging and once bonney has escape, there was a need to recapture her again. :D
 

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Hmm, what if that G-5 is actually already leaving for 800 years :D

and because of bonney they aren't aging and once bonney has escape, there was a need to recapture her again. :D
With Oda's imagination I wouldn't completely rule out this theory. The world nobles are supposed to be the Descendants of the 'Creators' of this world. If the 5 Star Elders are really 800 years old that would be insane. Cause World Nobles would be there like Great-*8 grandkids. o_O
Although the 5 Star Elders strike me as just plain creepy/evil. -_-;
 

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The reason why Zoro ends his fights in one move is cause... Idk his opponents get stabbed with a sword? I mean Luffy's fights are able to last longer and have him do massive damage because Luffy uses no weapon. The second you get cut you start to lose blood, blood loss makes your reaction time slower and eventually will effect all of your senses. Knife fighters in general go for multiple slice wounds that will eventually tire/weaken the opponent allowing the knife user to go in for the kill. Swords on the other hand are big. Katana's are usually 4-6 feet long if you slice someone with a sword they are going to be fucked up. And most people are not like Luffy who can sustain injuries like he got nuked and keep on fighting. The whole samurai thing, most sword fights are ended in 1-2 exchanges. Unless the they are equally matched and it will be a long fight of endurance. Sword fights generally speaking once the blade touches skin the fight is pretty much over.
I believe Zoro is Oda's version of a Samurai. Testing your opponents swordsman ship seeing the holes in the defense of said swordsman shit then finishing your opponent before he has a chance to fix said holes.
You really can't take massive damage from a sword and still be up and ready to fight. Sword fighting in general isn't very interesting it was made to be the most efficient way to end your opponent and I'm fairly sure Oda will keep Zoro's fights they way they have been.
Yh everything you say is true but you solely based it on reality.. What I mean is in that yh swords cut and draws blood and that fact remain both in reality and in the manga. But then the effects that you stated does not happen in one piece, atleast not if Oda wants it to. Its like the way in reality those punches luffy gives would have broken someones jaw ten times over beyond repair but all Oda allows it to do here is knock them out. With that said, I can very well see Oda making luffy give someone a broken jaw in an extreme situation like what happened with bellamy. Similarly, the effects you stated of being cut constantly with a sword hasn't been shown in the manga so far and probably won't be unless in rare situations or for plot purposes. Take the kaku vs zoro fight again for example. That fight is why you can't liken the effects of being cut with a sword in reality to being cut with a sword in one piece. Zoro was cut times without number by kakus attacks and we were not shown any of his five senses failing at any point. Similarly with him fightin Daz although Daz was not a swordsman. There are probably more examples but that isn't even my point anyway. With all of that said, its safe to say that it is possible for Zoro to deal damage to his opponents over the course of the whole battle rather than ending it with one technique just like kaku, a fellow swordsman, did to him. That is also why I say even if it means that Oda should give zoro a devil fruit since that is what enabled kaku to be so versatile. Yh you are probably right that Zoro is Odas version of a samurai which would explain it, but that is precisely my problem. But I know its not everyone elses problem, I jus personally dislike that way of fighting.

Edit: half of my post may not make sense. Lol I'm tired and half asleep so I'm goin sleep
 
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Yh everything you say is true but you solely based it on reality.. What I mean is in that yh swords cut and draws blood and that fact remain both in reality and in the manga. But then the effects that you stated does not happen in one piece, atleast not if Oda wants it to. Its like the way in reality those punches luffy gives would have broken someones jaw ten times over beyond repair but all Oda allows it to do here is knock them out. With that said, I can very well see Oda making luffy give someone a broken jaw in an extreme situation like what happened with bellamy. Similarly, the effects you stated of being cut constantly with a sword hasn't been shown in the manga so far and probably won't be unless in rare situations or for plot purposes. Take the kaku vs zoro fight again for example. That fight is why you can't liken the effects of being cut with a sword in reality to being cut with a sword in one piece. Zoro was cut times without number by kakus attacks and we were not shown any of his five senses failing at any point. Similarly with him fightin Daz although Daz was not a swordsman. There are probably more examples but that isn't even my point anyway. With all of that said, its safe to say that it is possible for Zoro to deal damage to his opponents over the course of the whole battle rather than ending it with one technique just like kaku, a fellow swordsman, did to him. That is also why I say even if it means that Oda should give zoro a devil fruit since that is what enabled kaku to be so versatile. Yh you are probably right that Zoro is Odas version of a samurai which would explain it, but that is precisely my problem. But I know its not everyone elses problem, I jus personally dislike that way of fighting.

Edit: half of my post may not make sense. Lol I'm tired and half asleep so I'm goin sleep
Nope Nope. Makes sense. And maybe with more opponents they fight in the future using 'Haki' you might see him doing massive damage. Kaku was an 'all around fighter' more than a pure swordsman. But I understand your point. Opponents using 'haki' might make the fights vs Zoro last longer. And the possibility of him changing his fighting style is there. I just think that as well as Zoro is Oda's Samurai. Zoro's finisher style is Zoro's way. But I believe one of the things Mihawk is going to teach Zoro is to take better care of his body. Their hasn't been a serious fight that he has been in that he hasn't sustained serious damage. And although his superior 'will power' keeps him from dying negating that damage from the get go should be his top priority. There will be times were he will need to be in his top condition to protect his crew and he can't be on deaths door after every opponent. (Same goes for Luffy and his life shortening techniques. Who is going to defend his crew (luffy) if one of his techniques kills him.)
 

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Yh everything you say is true but you solely based it on reality.. What I mean is in that yh swords cut and draws blood and that fact remain both in reality and in the manga. But then the effects that you stated does not happen in one piece, atleast not if Oda wants it to. Its like the way in reality those punches luffy gives would have broken someones jaw ten times over beyond repair but all Oda allows it to do here is knock them out. With that said, I can very well see Oda making luffy give someone a broken jaw in an extreme situation like what happened with bellamy. Similarly, the effects you stated of being cut constantly with a sword hasn't been shown in the manga so far and probably won't be unless in rare situations or for plot purposes. Take the kaku vs zoro fight again for example. That fight is why you can't liken the effects of being cut with a sword in reality to being cut with a sword in one piece. Zoro was cut times without number by kakus attacks and we were not shown any of his five senses failing at any point. Similarly with him fightin Daz although Daz was not a swordsman. There are probably more examples but that isn't even my point anyway. With all of that said, its safe to say that it is possible for Zoro to deal damage to his opponents over the course of the whole battle rather than ending it with one technique just like kaku, a fellow swordsman, did to him. That is also why I say even if it means that Oda should give zoro a devil fruit since that is what enabled kaku to be so versatile. Yh you are probably right that Zoro is Odas version of a samurai which would explain it, but that is precisely my problem. But I know its not everyone elses problem, I jus personally dislike that way of fighting.

Edit: half of my post may not make sense. Lol I'm tired and half asleep so I'm goin sleep
Well, the best example of this is his fight against Ryuma. All the fight was decided with just that attack.
I think he could get a DF that changes his body, not a Logia, but a Paramecia, like Jozu or Daz. This way he could endure more attacks :P
 

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Maybe its just me, but I found it stylish when a fight is short but well done!

I just love those fights that don't take more than 5 min's, but are just plain epic!

And thats Zoro's way... Just whatch Ryuma vs Zoro, it had some blow exchange, but the moment Zoro went for the final slash it was just awesome!

And Brooke is also a good example!
What would be the point of Hanauta Sanshou, Yahazu Giri if it isn't a 1 shot kill!

Actually I love when they say "this blow will end everything" and then its just plain power exchange!
 

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Oda is staying true to the ways of samurai fights thousands of years ago. Quick.
Out of all shishi strike zoro does is amazing aswell.
 

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That's what I like about Brooke too. I hope that Oda makes him a little more durable.

Being a skeleton, doesn't give him much space to grow. Damn Oda for having made that skeleton :| Why not leave some flesh and look like a Zombie xD

Oh well, he'd probably be dead by now if he still had his body.
 

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Anime ep time != real time, of course it's taking longer, since much is filler. We've only seen a few long fights in the manga, like the Oz one on TB or Luffys fight with Lucci and that's only a result to their durability.

@BENSKI: There weren't any samurai thousands of years ago. :P Japan was full of farming people a little bit over a millenium ago with nearly no culture. Thus said it has no long history like china.
 
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Well you know what I mean..what number are we looking at 100yrs?


Brook def needs a durability upgrade. Maybe theres something else in his df for him to uncover.
 

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Anime ep time != real time, of course it's taking longer, since much is filler. We've only seen a few long fights in the manga, like the Oz one on TB or Luffys fight with Lucci and that's only a result to their durability.

@BENSKI: There weren't any samurai thousands of years ago. :P Japan was full of farming people a little bit over a millenium ago with nearly no culture. Thus said it has no long history like china.
Japan has is the longest surviving 'warrior' culture. That was most definitely around 1000 years ago. Their have been Samurai since late 10 & Early 11th century bc. Which last time I did math was more than a 1000 years ago.
By the mid-Heian period they had already founded Bushido (Samura code of ethics).
 
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After Mihawk as trained zoro for 2 years do you think Mihawk will still be as strong as he was before he trained Zoro? Since if he is Shiryuu could be getting stronger past the two years or Vista training to become the best because of how he wasnt strong enough to save Ace?
 
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