Discussion One Piece is with luffy all along

[ironmonkey]

I still think it's a pic of Rouge and Ace.

Some people refuse to hear it might have anything to do with Ace but it's not going to be some extravagant treasure; it's going to be something small and sentimental which will have significant meaning to Luffy. Something concerning Ace wouldn't have any greater meaning to Roger or Luffy.

Ace wasn't even born when Roger died, so it is impossible one piece is a picture of Ace. On the other hand, I could believe it's a picture of Rouge since i think Roger was the only one to set foot on Raftel and, maybe, to get on Raftel you need to have the "D" blood which will activate the Ancient Kingdom technology (the "D" being descendant of inhabitants of the AK or something like that) but i'd rather have it without OP being the remnant of an advance civilization and have a more pirate-like ending

 

[Razh]

Also Roger was going to tell Whitebeard how to get to raftel, but he was still going to hand himself in so that he can tell send the whole world on a search for One Piece. This would suggest that One Piece is not actually in the Island that Roger wanted to direct Whitebeard to.

I doubt Roger wanted to deceive Whitebeard. Chances are that not everyone who gets to Raftel can "understand" the treasure. It's more likely that it's some kind of knowledge, rather than a valuable object, or maybe it's both.
I remember discussing about all this during Enies Lobby arc. From the on, I was pretty much sure that Raftel hides a secret about the old kingdom and everything related to it. If anything, Whitebeard's words just reinforced that belief.

 

[Freid]

Roger didn't want to deceive Whitebeard, but the page doesn't suggest that he wanted to direct Whitebeard to where One Piece was either. One Piece being in Raftel wasn't implied in their discussion, and it didn't have to be. Roger was the only person to have ever reached Raftel, so just reaching the island is a recognizable feat in itself and would probably be the very pinnacle of a Pirate's accomplishments. Perhaps that feat is what warrants the title of 'Pirate King'; a pirate overcoming all the challenges that they were faced with in their exploits and being able to reach the final island in the Grand Line which is implied to be a difficult task, would by all intents and purposes put them at the top of the top and would literally make them the 'king' of pirates. Whitebeard had accomplished everything else there was to accomplish, but his roster of achievements was missing that one thing and consequently, it could not be said that he managed to 'conquer' the Grand Line. By offering to direct Whitebeard to Raftel, the opportunity to do just that is what Roger was offering, but like we have often seen from Whitebeard, he had no interest in such things.

I believe that Raftel would indeed hold some kind of information about the ancient kingdom, but I'm positive that whatever they uncover in Raftel would not be One Piece itself. I'm a fan of the theory from geez that talks about how One Piece, which I believe is the Ancient Kingdom, could be located under Reverse Mountain. I can't help but think about the 'Lost City of Atlantis' and the geez's idea would resonate well with that. One Piece not being in Raftel would serve as a way to create a new extended adventure for the Strawhats, an adventure that only they would be exploring after they had won the 'race' to Raftel. I think it is more likely that Raftel would simply hold the final Poneglyph. We know from the Skypiea arc that Poneglyphs are sort of like pieces of a puzzle that when linked together, would uncover the records of the lost history. It would make sense that the final Poneglyph, which is the final piece of the puzzle, would be in the final island of the Grand Line, Raftel. It is from the Poneglyphs that the truth of the lost history will be discovered, not from One Piece. Like my theory says, I'm betting on One Piece being the Ancient Kingdom itself which Raftel would give information to.

 

[kangshinsoo]

what conclusion is that???? luffy has the one piece? duh! that is certainly not true? how come that shanks will give the straw hat if that is the one piece he is carrying all along>???? come to think of it? the one piece is the proof that the pirate king is king of the sea!

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even if luffy has the one piece?? i`m sure that someone can recognize the hat? right?

 

[Freid]

Yeah, its pretty clear that One Piece ain't the hat. If every instance in the manga that hinted to the nature of One Piece was taken into consideration, that conclusion probably would not be made. It would also be anticlimactic, and if for no other reason than that then I personally wouldn't consider it as a possibility.

 

[ZERO PHOENIX]

That would effectively make Roger the biggest troll in manga history. He sent pirates from all over the world, on a seemingly fruitful journey in search for a hat he had already left with one of his crew mates? Nah

Roger didn't really send anyone anywhere in the world. It was pride and greed that motivated pirates to set sail. If Roger told every pirate in the world to turn themselves in to the World Government I don't think they would listen.

One Piece has something to do with history of the world (tied in with Robin's dream) and has the capacity to turn the world upside down.

I wonder why that is. I'm not knocking your theory just questioning it's logistics. Gold Roger said he left everything he owned in One Piece. I suppose if One Piece is the name of the Ancient Kingdom and Gold Roger stored all of his treasure there it could tie in wth Robin as she can read the poneglyphs. But I'm just reaching. If that is indeed the case Roger trolled the entire pirate world because given the fact that there is probably only one person in the world (Robin) who can read the poneglyph, most pirate crews wouldn't have any chance at finding his treasure. Diabolical. I love it.

U gave me a odd theory. One piece is a Devil Fruit with the power of ressurection

Doubt it. Gold Roger wouldn't have any use for that so he'd hardly call it a treasure.

I kind of thought that Ace and Rouge was One Piece since One Piece is about intangible treasures rather than actual treasures and Gol D. Roger would consider his family to be more valuable than any treasure.

Doubt it. Pirates are a greedy lot and even if Gold Roger considered his family to be the greatest treasures in the world he wouldn't broadcast that to everyone. Use common sense. If he put his family in the public spotlight like that, every pirate and every marine would be after them demanding to know everything Roger told them about One Piece. Even if Roger never told his family anything, do you think any dime store pirate or marine will believe that? Roger would never be so stupid as to endanger his family like that.

So far Freid has the best theory I've heard anywhere.

 

[Freid]

Roger didn't really send anyone anywhere in the world. It was pride and greed that motivated pirates to set sail. If Roger told every pirate in the world to turn themselves in to the World Government I don't think they would listen.

The purpose of Roger handing himself in was for the very purpose of getting people from all over the world to search for his treasure. He doesn't have to literally say 'I send all of you to go look for my treasure' before it is obvious that that was his intention, even more so when we learnt that he purposely handed himself in. He told them about the greatest treasure knowing that many will go out to search for it and that effectively sent them on a journey in search for it. All Whitebeard also said was 'One Piece exists' in order to relight the fire of the pirate age.

 

[Kotaku]

I think the One Piece is the nakama Ruffy have. They very presious and important to Ruffy. At end of joruney, I think he discover all along, nakama are his big trasure, his one piece!

 

[farore]

No way.
Definitely not Oda's way of doing things.
Really dont think the One Piece is a grabbable item like a sword or w/e.
Bet its going to be something "spiritual" and eventho the name implies it I dont think OP is just ONE single thing/item/realization.

 

[hokageji]

It also can be linked with the will od D, which could be a prophecy that says a person with the name D will unlock it and create havoc for the world. Roger almost did it and WG thought exterminated roger would solve their issues. They did that, executed ace all with the hop it can never be resurrected.

Rogers last lines state it all.
" My treasure, its where I left it all. Its yours if you find it, but you will have to search the entire world". With this, the threat of the secrets resurrecting arose and wg was in havoc. She passed the will of D ( according to me) to whoever could find it.
Silver Rayleigh about roger : In the last moment of his life, he turned his fading "flame of life" into a huge fire that enveloped the world.

Also, WB's last words

"For many ages, you have passed down generations after generations without fail, one day a man will come along to challenge the world. Sengoku and the WG are living in fear that one of the great battle that will engulf the world. Its out there, ONE PIECE exists."

He also said Teach wasnt the man roger was waiting for. Some D has to be the person... One piece has to be the Will of D.... Strawhat is just a representation that the will has been passed to luffy.

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

It also can be linked with the will od D, which could be a prophecy that says a person with the name D will unlock it and create havoc for the world. Roger almost did it and WG thought exterminated roger would solve their issues. They did that, executed ace all with the hop it can never be resurrected.

Rogers last lines state it all.
" My treasure, its where I left it all. Its yours if you find it, but you will have to search the entire world". With this, the threat of the secrets resurrecting arose and wg was in havoc. She passed the will of D ( according to me) to whoever could find it.
Silver Rayleigh about roger : In the last moment of his life, he turned his fading "flame of life" into a huge fire that enveloped the world.

Also, WB's last words

"For many ages, you have passed down generations after generations without fail, one day a man will come along to challenge the world. Sengoku and the WG are living in fear that one of the great battle that will engulf the world. Its out there, ONE PIECE exists."

He also said Teach wasnt the man roger was waiting for. Some D has to be the person... One piece has to be the Will of D.... Strawhat is just a representation that the will has been passed to luffy.

The things that does not fit in it is ... - The Sh was given to Shanks and has been with him long enough.. however shanks is not a D.. Also after Roger becoming pirate king there was no sign of it shown that there was havoc all over as he was going all against WG or something like that.. I guess WG killed roger just because he knew about the history and cud have told to someone.. the most suspected people were crew members and family and thus all got eliminated by WG.. moreover the decision of killing everyone was just taken after pirate king surrendered.. it wasnt like WG has put their full force to catch PK...

One piece is a treasure .. and lets not discuss about it.. if its out luffy will stop being a pirate then and there .. let him complete the journey

 

[ownage404]

Love the theory about the ancient civilization being one piece. I also found it very odd that the Ohara professor would die right before he got out the name of the ancient civilization....

I've been thinking about all the mysteries yet to be revealed in OP and I think it's deliberately left a mystery for a reason. So these mysteries must all be linked together about what One piece is. We have the will of D, Raftel, reverse mountain, the polygraphs, Devil Fruits and Dragon. So the will of D has to be for the person who find One Piece(of course luffy), reverse mountain is probably the real location where "One Piece" is while Raftel is just the gate, the polygraphs are either just simply the little pieces of history about the ancient kingdom or little maps leading to the treasure(or are possibly both), and the Devil Fruits are weapons creating by this ancient place. I don't really believe that Dragon is directly related to this but he is a blank canvas at this point and could possibly play a somewhat important role in the ending.

Also it seems that Roger and his crew are waiting for someone/something. The lighthouse keeper said "could they be the ones we're waiting for?" and what whitebeard said during the war. It leads me to believe that a portion of whatever One Piece is, is still somewhat unsolved. Roger and his crew know all the mysteries and all but they probably had no idea what to do about it afterwards. Rayleigh said something like "Go out and find it for yourselves, and you might come up with a different conclusion as us." which means roger and his crew did not fully understand what they found or it's just something totally complex.

Also the name "One Piece" is very interesting in itself. It suggest it's tangible and is ONE piece like one kind of an item of some sort. But also it could relate to the expression when someone says " thank god you're back in one piece". I don't know but it seemed like Roger was talking to someone when giving his speech. Perhaps to the WG who tried destroying what was left of the kingdom and Roger saying directly to them that it's still there and ok it's in "one piece".

 

[silentkiller3]

Do you think that luffy is holding on one piece all along? The strawhat that he's handling might be the thing(One Piece) he's looking for all these years. Well i don't just sprout nonsense.
Facts are

• Strawhat belongs to Roger(how many years has it been worn)
• The endurance of Strawhat is epic. How many burn and damages(done by buggy and loads more) has it survive and yet it still look as good as new and is in One Piece

It has been soaked so many times, blown away, burnt and even poisoned... but it's still good looking and therefore i think the Straw Hat passed down by roger to shanks and shanks to luffy is the real One Piece everyone is looking for.

anyway what if before you find the one piece you must first sacrifice you most beloved treasure
or Luffy has to answer a question
of best of all must choose which one is the one piece like you must choose actual treasure from a journal or some thing good ideas right