Discussion One piece is..

[Vadz]

I’m curious what this community thinks, especially with the story heading toward the final saga soon.

 

[Bradhimself]

I answered with this a while ago. I believe it something stolen from Imu. Whatever it is it is keeping him from completely taking over the planet.

The One Piece that Imu needs to complete his plan of total domination. Joyboy stole it and therefore provided hope for the next Joyboy to find it and liberate the planet.

I believe that was the intention behind Joyboy hiding it so well.

But I also believe it will allow anyone's "will" to then have the power to enforce itself over the world.

 

[Vadz]

I answered with this a while ago. I believe it something stolen from Imu. Whatever it is it is keeping him from completely taking over the planet.

The One Piece that Imu needs to complete his plan of total domination. Joyboy stole it and therefore provided hope for the next Joyboy to find it and liberate the planet.

I believe that was the intention behind Joyboy hiding it so well.

But I also believe it will allow anyone's "will" to then have the power to enforce itself over the world.

Interesting take.

I am wondering what makes Imu hasnt done anything to get one piece though. Even Roger pirates are just chilling still.
Nothing stopping them

 

[kkck]

I assume it's the ancient kingdoms national treasure, probably scrooge mcduck amounts of gold along with something silly like sake for a party.

 

[Bradhimself]

Interesting take.

I am wondering what makes Imu hasnt done anything to get one piece though. Even Roger pirates are just chilling still.
Nothing stopping them

Maybe he did. 900 years is a long time. I would assume Pirates have known the significance of the Poneglyphs initially and they fought off any attempt from the WG to attain them.

My guess is Imu and to a slightly lesser extent the Gorosei had done their best to hide history, so a worldwide hunt for the One Piece would have attracted the wrong attention. They instead chose to not remind the world of it's existence and eliminated anyone who could have uncovered it. Out of sight out of mind. Imu finally got the world to somewhat forget about the void century, his existence and perhaps took a different route to achieving domination..a more peaceful approach with diplomacy etc... Now the world is being shaken up again, the One Piece was found by Roger and the whole world has gone crazy trying to find it.. as others have gotten closer it appears that Imu has come out of the Woodworks.

The great cleansing that has previously happened must've been to not only hide history, but also the One Piece. Which now has started back up again as others have gotten closer to finding it again.

I'm rambling in circles now, but this is ultimately what I think it's importance is. It has been stated that it's discovery will turn the world on it's head (As per WB at the paramount war). For something to do that, it either has the power to express a user's will, and/or it will affect every single person on a level, given that history has been erased from the people, I am leaning towards the former.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Not the fanciest answer, but answers don't need to be fancy to be true.
As far as the Manga tells me, One Piece is literally the Poneglyphs that exist at Laughtale.
We know the History of the world hold so much information:

1. The Void Century - Even Elbaph tells us there have been 2 different epocshs/eras where the world was destroyed? So, we're possibly talking about not just 100 years of history, but as far back as 3000 and the 100 years we're looking to uncover will be key to unravelling perhaps, the beginning of the world.
2. The fact that Vegapunk also said he needs to read the Void Century because it has the answer to technology even his genius brain can't create.
3. The truth to uncover the lies of the WG - WG has roughly 200 nations allied with it, the truth will destroy that.

Basically, Poneglyphs on laughtale. History is the most important thing in the history. Even in the current arc, what's one of the first things the God Knights do? Burn the books detailing history.

 

[Bradhimself]

Not the fanciest answer, but answers don't need to be fancy to be true.
As far as the Manga tells me, One Piece is literally the Poneglyphs that exist at Laughtale.
We know the History of the world hold so much information:

1. The Void Century - Even Elbaph tells us there have been 2 different epocshs/eras where the world was destroyed? So, we're possibly talking about not just 100 years of history, but as far back as 3000 and the 100 years we're looking to uncover will be key to unravelling perhaps, the beginning of the world.
2. The fact that Vegapunk also said he needs to read the Void Century because it has the answer to technology even his genius brain can't create.
3. The truth to uncover the lies of the WG - WG has roughly 200 nations allied with it, the truth will destroy that.

Basically, Poneglyphs on laughtale. History is the most important thing in the history. Even in the current arc, what's one of the first things the God Knights do? Burn the books detailing history.

Tell ya what, we had a big back and forth about this and I now think this is possible. But what I think, is that it isn't a Poneglyph from the same era as all the others.. I think it might be one from the world before. The current Poneglyphs seem to be from Joyboy's era, maybe they got the idea to make them from the One Piece? Like it existed as a way to record history and then they made their own.

 

[Rein Avara]

I think it could be a poneglyph or a series of Poneglyphs that reveal the 'One Piece' of history that was missing to complete the puzzle, thus painting the full picture as to what happened at the very beginning. I also think that there will be other things there, perhaps a weapon or some technology that can be used to save the world.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Tell ya what, we had a big back and forth about this and I now think this is possible. But what I think, is that it isn't a Poneglyph from the same era as all the others.. I think it might be one from the world before. The current Poneglyphs seem to be from Joyboy's era, maybe they got the idea to make them from the One Piece? Like it existed as a way to record history and then they made their own.

Poneglyphs only existed from 800 years ago during Joyboy's era, so it's from Joyboy's era.
From what Dr. Clover said, Joyboy realised that they were going to lose the war, so they decided to use Wano's craftsmanship to create Poneglyphs and document history for future generations.
There isn't much evidence that Poneglyphs were a thing prior to this.

Just from coming into Elbaph, we already see Vegapunk found some piece of technology that has been estimated to be roughly 3000 years old.
We have countless races that have been erased.
We also know from Jarul that the world was destroyed through raising the sea levels, and we can assume this has happened on a global scale, twice at least.
I think the history from the Void Century will detail everything that happened during the Void Century, and it will also include things from the Ancient past too.

As it is also called the Void Century, it's probably the most important information regarding what the WG do not want known. Very possible it also pieces together portions of history that go further, and adds more detailed information that Clover and co. wouldn't understand without this specific knowledge.

And as Tamago said, there are 9 Ponelgyphs in Laughtale called the "Real (Japanese pronounce it as "RIO") Poneglyph), this is why I think it's called One Piece - 9 Poneglyphs that come together to form the Real Poneglyph, but of course, time will tell.

 

[Bradhimself]

Poneglyphs only existed from 800 years ago during Joyboy's era, so it's from Joyboy's era.
From what Dr. Clover said, Joyboy realised that they were going to lose the war, so they decided to use Wano's craftsmanship to create Poneglyphs and document history for future generations.
There isn't much evidence that Poneglyphs were a thing prior to this.

Just from coming into Elbaph, we already see Vegapunk found some piece of technology that has been estimated to be roughly 3000 years old.
We have countless races that have been erased.
We also know from Jarul that the world was destroyed through raising the sea levels, and we can assume this has happened on a global scale, twice at least.
I think the history from the Void Century will detail everything that happened during the Void Century, and it will also include things from the Ancient past too.

As it is also called the Void Century, it's probably the most important information regarding what the WG do not want known. Very possible it also pieces together portions of history that go further, and adds more detailed information that Clover and co. wouldn't understand without this specific knowledge.

And as Tamago said, there are 9 Ponelgyphs in Laughtale called the "Real (Japanese pronounce it as "RIO") Poneglyph), this is why I think it's called One Piece - 9 Poneglyphs that come together to form the Real Poneglyph, but of course, time will tell.

Fair points. But I think you are approaching this too logically. I think outside of the box thinking is needed to figure out what Oda's biggest secret is.

Because if you look at it logically, the most logical answer is a Sun, the energy source that powered Uranus and what Vegapunk was trying to create for humanity. The Mural shows Imu holding it after all.

Anyways, don't wanna get stuck in another debate with you. I just think we might not rule anything out at this point.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Fair points. But I think you are approaching this too logically. I think outside of the box thinking is needed to figure out what Oda's biggest secret is.

Because if you look at it logically, the most logical answer is a Sun, the energy source that powered Uranus and what Vegapunk was trying to create for humanity. The Mural shows Imu holding it after all.

Anyways, don't wanna get stuck in another debate with you. I just think we might not rule anything out at this point.

If it's not logical, then it doesn't make sense. No matter how much outside the box Oda thinks, it still has to make sense within the confines of the story.

Imu also has no power-source, otherwise they wouldn't have needed the motherflame for Uranus. Whatever it is that has this power to power everything freely, all we know is that it's technology only the Ancient Kingdom had access to.

I think one simply has to read the story and accept it for what it is, there's no big secret. What we really don't know are the details, we already know the gist of it.

 

[Bradhimself]

If it's not logical, then it doesn't make sense. No matter how much outside the box Oda thinks, it still has to make sense within the confines of the story.

Imu also has no power-source, otherwise they wouldn't have needed the motherflame for Uranus. Whatever it is that has this power to power everything freely, all we know is that it's technology only the Ancient Kingdom had access to.

I think one simply has to read the story and accept it for what it is, there's no big secret. What we really don't know are the details, we already know the gist of it.

That's what I'm saying though bro. The One Piece was the power source. If we look at the picture of Imu, he's holding the Sun and fighting the Sun God.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

That's what I'm saying though bro. The One Piece was the power source. If we look at the picture of Imu, he's holding the Sun and fighting the Sun God.

That doesn't make sense.
The One Piece is in Laughtale. Unless you're claiming Joyboy stole the power source which you're claiming to be One Piece.
It makes no sense.
If Joyboy apparently stole the "power source" which is what you're insinuating... then Imu should have lost and there would be no story to tell.

The WG have been in power, or rather Imu has been in power for almost a 1,000 years. So, this is an impossible incoherent claim.

If anything, the Sun represents Uranus, an Ancient Weapon.
The entire reason the world has been submerged into the sea is because Uranus destroying nations raises the sea levels.

Joyboy had Pluton built in order to be able to fight against the WG, so if anything, the Sun really is Uranus. Pluton simply wasn't used because it was too powerful which is why they decided to hide it.

Like I said, what you're saying doesn't make sense. Thinking outside the box doesn't mean not making sense.

All the facts so far tell us the One Piece is history, not a power source. And Vegapunk said the there was an Ancient Fuel that power EMETH... and he can only learn about using this energy that is freely around the world by learning about the Void Century.
Based on this, we know that Imu didn't have any Energy Source, this was something the Ancient Kingdom discovered... and if Imu had such power, Uranus wouldn't need the mother flame. This in itself is questions your theory.

Like I said, can be as imaginative as you want, but if it is not in line with the facts laid down, then it makes no sense.

 

[Bradhimself]

That doesn't make sense.
The One Piece is in Laughtale. Unless you're claiming Joyboy stole the power source which you're claiming to be One Piece.
It makes no sense.
If Joyboy apparently stole the "power source" which is what you're insinuating... then Imu should have lost and there would be no story to tell.

The WG have been in power, or rather Imu has been in power for almost a 1,000 years. So, this is an impossible incoherent claim.

If anything, the Sun represents Uranus, an Ancient Weapon.
The entire reason the world has been submerged into the sea is because Uranus destroying nations raises the sea levels.

Joyboy had Pluton built in order to be able to fight against the WG, so if anything, the Sun really is Uranus. Pluton simply wasn't used because it was too powerful which is why they decided to hide it.

Like I said, what you're saying doesn't make sense. Thinking outside the box doesn't mean not making sense.

All the facts so far tell us the One Piece is history, not a power source. And Vegapunk said the there was an Ancient Fuel that power EMETH... and he can only learn about using this energy that is freely around the world by learning about the Void Century.
Based on this, we know that Imu didn't have any Energy Source, this was something the Ancient Kingdom discovered... and if Imu had such power, Uranus wouldn't need the mother flame. This in itself is questions your theory.

Like I said, can be as imaginative as you want, but if it is not in line with the facts laid down, then it makes no sense.

Yeah this is falling into another pointless argument where you don't budge and we talk in circles. I'm just going to give you a friendly reminder that you argued your version of logic before and were absolutely wrong. So your logic isn't categorically right so stop talking like it is. Allow wiggle room, we are all guessing here.

Peace

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Yeah this is falling into another pointless argument where you don't budge and we talk in circles. I'm just going to give you a friendly reminder that you argued your version of logic before and were absolutely wrong. So your logic isn't categorically right so stop talking like it is. Allow wiggle room, we are all guessing here.

Peace

It wasn't wrong, based on what we knew, it was logically accurate.
Until further information comes out to say otherwise, you're not making any sense, and you're free to make guesses whether they make sense or not, you're entitled to that.
Fact of the matter is so far, the story points to One Piece being Ancient History.

 

[Bradhimself]

It wasn't wrong, based on what we knew, it was logically accurate.
Until further information comes out to say otherwise, you're not making any sense, and you're free to make guesses whether they make sense or not, you're entitled to that.
Fact of the matter is so far, the story points to One Piece being Ancient History.

Lol. No you just didn't admit that you were wrong. Every single person that witnessed that long back and forth agreed that you were wrong, you just tried to spin it that you were right. And that's how you argue, you argue from the point of view that you're right and the other person is wrong, that's why I, and many others just give up now. Unless you can entertain some wiggle room for potential that you're wrong, then it just feels like you're trying to be right as opposed to finding out the truth. That's how you come across to people in this forum.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Lol. No you just didn't admit that you were wrong. Every single person that witnessed that long back and forth agreed that you were wrong, you just tried to spin it that you were right. And that's how you argue, you argue from the point of view that you're right and the other person is wrong, that's why I, and many others just give up now. Unless you can entertain some wiggle room for potential that you're wrong, then it just feels like you're trying to be right as opposed to finding out the truth. That's how you come across to people in this forum.

Dude, could care less.

Point is your theory is fine, but if it doesn't align with the story's facts, it's simply a theory.

I could theorise that Nami is Imu secretly, that's fine, but it makes no sense as it doesn't align with the story.

Your theory doesn't fit with what's known within the story, not that deep dude.

When people go to Laughtale, they say they learnt the history of the world, not that they found the source.

Again, if One Piece is a power source, explain how it fits with the story?

 

[Bradhimself]

Dude, could care less.

Point is your theory is fine, but if it doesn't align with the story's facts, it's simply a theory.

I could theorise that Nami is Imu secretly, that's fine, but it makes no sense as it doesn't align with the story.

Your theory doesn't fit with what's known within the story, not that deep dude.

When people go to Laughtale, they say they learnt the history of the world, not that they found the source.

Again, if One Piece is a power source, explain how it fits with the story?

Couldn't care less* if you could care less thwn you would yeah?

Nah, I've illustrated how pointless it is to argue with you. You seem to think the One Piece is just another Poneglyph, I tried to work with you on that and you wouldn't budge. I'm not going to paraphrase a popular theory. Just google it bro.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Couldn't care less* if you could care less thwn you would yeah?

Nah, I've illustrated how pointless it is to argue with you. You seem to think the One Piece is just another Poneglyph, I tried to work with you on that and you wouldn't budge. I'm not going to paraphrase a popular theory. Just google it bro.

Like I said, could care less.

If you want your theory to be believable, back it up with evidence. That simple.

 

[Bradhimself]

Like I said, could care less.

If you want your theory to be believable, back it up with evidence. That simple.

Could care less implies that you care, but you could care less. Couldn't care less is the actual saying, because it implies you well, couldn't care any less than you do.

Even with evidence, you wouldn't believe it. And that I have evidence for haha. Peace bro