One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 1st Chapter

[Superman]

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NO way is Kuma joining the SHs. His power is so far beyond the entire SH crew. Not only that but forget traveling they could just teleport to Raftel(exactly why has no one done this before?). Besides he's already Sichi, so thats not very likely.

Agree.

And now to the raftel part.

Did you see the movie Jumper??? Me neither, but i saw a Making the Movie and they can only teleport to the place they see and already were.
If they see a place in TV they cant teleport themselves to this place. Only if the see, or were there in personal.
But still.
It wouldnt be hard for Kuma to teleport there. He can just always makes steps.
Like this he can even fly or whatever you understand about "teleporting in the sky, fall down, look to another place in the sky, teleporting there, fall.........."(or push himself at lightspeed), always like this. Pretty uncomfortable right, but possible.

Anyway lets move on to Haki.
Haki is cool. I like Haki.
EHHHHH iam not in the Haki thread????????
Well, forget about that

 

[Shichibukai]

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Raftel Raftel Raftel.....


What are the chances that raftel is 'moving island' (kinda like studio giblies Laptuta??) This way you need more then just a log pose... also if anyone had seen 'Laputa - castle in the sky' you will also recall that 'that island also had ponyglyphs which stored knowledge & history of the ancient kingdom.. which only the royals of Laputa could understand etc....

 

[gold349]

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Raftel Raftel Raftel.....


What are the chances that raftel is 'moving island' (kinda like studio giblies Laptuta??) This way you need more then just a log pose... also if anyone had seen 'Laputa - castle in the sky' you will also recall that 'that island also had ponyglyphs which stored knowledge & history of the ancient kingdom.. which only the royals of Laputa could understand etc....

It may not be far fetched to think it could be in the sky but we have already had sky island, I don't see a copy of it. Its the last island on grand line so I don't see it moving around, the thing about only those linked to the island may be the ones to gain entry is interesting, maybe once we know the will of "D" we will know more, Roger was a "D" and he was last pirate king, as far as I know it is some family/clan initial I think but they could be the last descendants of that kingdom, who knows we will see later on.

 

[Shichibukai]

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Hello Gold349.

A) i didnt say they island would be in the sky?? it could kinda be moving around on the sea - which would poss make it not easy to locate. But yes you may be right that the reason the yonkos have not made it to the island is that you may need to be a 'D' to unlockthe secrets and 2ndly you may need a historian to read the old language...

but you have to admit ponyglyhs and them cubes from'Laputa' are extremly similar (too similar, to the extent that 'colnol mushka?' wanted to awaken the power of the kingdom...

just maybe..

 

[gold349]

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Hello Gold349.

A) i didnt say they island would be in the sky?? it could kinda be moving around on the sea - which would poss make it not easy to locate. But yes you may be right that the reason the yonkos have not made it to the island is that you may need to be a 'D' to unlockthe secrets and 2ndly you may need a historian to read the old language...

but you have to admit ponyglyhs and them cubes from'Laputa' are extremly similar (too similar, to the extent that 'colnol mushka?' wanted to awaken the power of the kingdom...

just maybe..

hello.

I said it may not be far fetched for it to be in the sky, only that we have already had sky island. I think that, its geography could be the factor or it may have some sort of barrier stopping those anchoring to the island, something like the whirlpools protecting Enis lobby massive gates or something of a similar massive reason, maybe certain requirements have to be fore filled, who knows. Yes I've seen "Luputa the flying island" and truly they do have similar to the ponyglphs here, who knows Oda probably got the stones with history written on them from that, ideas come from all sorts of places. Raleigh mentions it may be up to individual interpretation, this is only half way, there is much more to come and the 'void century', the will of 'D' and Rafetal will play a big role.

 

[SpaceDBadger]

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I'm sure there is going to be some sort of huge twist over getting through the final portion of New World, I can't understand that WB wouldn't already be king of the Pirates if he couldn't.......maybe you need seastone or some sort of other material that WG has a monopoly of or something, but if there isn't I'm going to be quite confused ahaha

 

[Devil-buster]

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I know I explained Kuma's abilities earlier to ascalon somewhere. If someone could find the post I'd be much obliged.
[tsuki]Here is the link to the post you wanted[/tsuki]

But anyways, Kuma can (using his paws) move the air out of the way at lightspeed. Which gives the idea of instant teleportation, which he uses on himself to go to far away places .This is applied to when he touchs people who are then moved at lightspeed to whereever he wants them to go. Example is seen here and in the most recent chapter. Both of which show his paws touching the places where the person use to be.

Could we get some sort of giant post at the beginning of each thread that explains Kuma's powers for every chapter that he's in? I've answered this same question 3-4 times now. And I'm sure it was asked 15+ times when Kuma was first introduced.

[tsuki]We will not be doing that, but feel free to keep posting the explanation when relevant.[/tsuki]

Here r my objections to this theory....
1. for kuma to move the air around someone at light speed he would have to have a shockwave that moves faster than the speed of light, cause not only should the shockwave move the air at light speed, he should also be able to move the mass of the person at light speed....

2. Also if kuma does somehow lauch a person at light speed to a destination....how does the person slow down at the other end....usually is someone impacts the a surface at the speed of light, they will be oblierated....

But in oda physics these may not matter...In reality if something were to travel at a speed greater than the speed of light a.k.a. instant teleportation.....time would stand still.....if u look at it that way kuma's power is even greater than kizaru's according to ur theory....

 

[Yabe]

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Him sending the Rock flying and him making Perona and Zorro vanish are two completely different things. The Rock actually flew away. Zorro and Perona just disappeared.
Many people have the theory that his bible has its own devilfruit. It makes a lot of sense since in the fight with the Sh´s on TB he was only teleporting twice. here and here. in the first he definately holds the bible in the sec. its hard to tell...
When he asks Perona where she wants to go he also holds the bible into this cross on his chest just as he does with zorro now. many signs that the bible plays a role for his teleporting ability!

I would speculate that he can only send someone to a place that person has already been too and he should only be able to go to places he has seen before.

If it's the action that Kuma teleported himself then I doubt he could easily do it without the Bible, and at TB with SHs, Kuma had done that more than twice, at least more in this moment he's handling with Zoro, another one was this where occured the orb-looking thing.

But if it's about how he's made Perona and Zoro vanish I think you could be right the Bible played some role (I don't think it has DF power though, considering Kuma himself has one, imo it wouldn't be cool to give him more DF weapon or stuff). I don't know if I analyze the wrong detail, but after Kuma had asked Perona with that trademark question he then wrote something in his Bible, and next move he emptied Perona's place. I was thinking he could jot into his Bible something before he appeared and took on Zoro (his action was abrupt/determined enough to suppose it, nonetheless).

 

[mr.danly]

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If it's the action that Kuma teleported himself then I doubt he could easily do it without the Bible, and at TB with SHs, Kuma had done that more than twice, at least more in this moment he's handling with Zoro, another one was this where occured the orb-looking thing.

But if it's about how he's made Perona and Zoro vanish I think you could be right the Bible played some role (I don't think it has DF power though, considering Kuma himself has one, imo it wouldn't be cool to give him more DF weapon or stuff). I don't know if I analyze the wrong detail, but after Kuma had asked Perona with that trademark question he then wrote something in his Bible, and next move he emptied Perona's place. I was thinking he could jot into his Bible something before he appeared and took on Zoro (his action was abrupt/determined enough to suppose it, nonetheless).

Nice find! I never noticed that he actually wrote something in his bible before teleporting Perona! I do think his bible plays a role in teleporting other people, though; he's always holding it before he does, including right before he asked Moria where he wanted to go. He didn't teleport Moria then, but he was holding the bible when he asked the trademark question.

 

[BlackHair]

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2. Also if kuma does somehow lauch a person at light speed to a destination....how does the person slow down at the other end....usually is someone impacts the a surface at the speed of light, they will be oblierated....

But in oda physics these may not matter...In reality if something were to travel at a speed greater than the speed of light a.k.a. instant teleportation.....time would stand still.....if u look at it that way kuma's power is even greater than kizaru's according to ur theory....

I agree and have to add: Kuma shouldn't have the ability to send some1 to a certain destination according to his will. As u can see in theses examples (1 and 2) Kis was fixing his way of light before travelling/riding on it. This way he can move in his speed of light to destinations as he wishes. After all moving in that speed shouldn't be easy to control. I didn't see Kuma doing it, so he can't sent ppl to certain locations. But I can imagine him sending ppl at random location. But that isn't rly teleport imo

If yes, then it would make him to powerful and exceed Kiz ability of light itself. Though, it does make more sense than my earlier wish theory xD

 

[Onomatopoeia]

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Here r my objections to this theory....
1. for kuma to move the air around someone at light speed he would have to have a shockwave that moves faster than the speed of light, cause not only should the shockwave move the air at light speed, he should also be able to move the mass of the person at light speed....

2. Also if kuma does somehow lauch a person at light speed to a destination....how does the person slow down at the other end....usually is someone impacts the a surface at the speed of light, they will be oblierated....

But in oda physics these may not matter...In reality if something were to travel at a speed greater than the speed of light a.k.a. instant teleportation.....time would stand still.....if u look at it that way kuma's power is even greater than kizaru's according to ur theory....

1. Kuma said it, so unless you can prove him wrong and make it a hyperbole I'll go with him being right. His feetz prove that it's pretty darn fast so even if it's a hyperbole that doesn't change it's impressivenes. Not only that but your using Real World Physics when were talking about Oda World Physics, does Rubber taking 1 mil + volts make any sense to you?

2. Read Number one. Light Speed is actually common in Manga's.

 

[BlackHair]

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Some1 mentioned that Kuma sent a rock flying in speed of light and also that he explained that part. May seem like a dumb request, but could some1 post the page? I haven't still read the Morai+Oz and Kuma fight, just overflow them. Still waiting the anime to catch up.

About Rubber and lightning, as far as I know rubber nullifies lighting no matter how much volt it is. But if the contact is too long it may burn, so it does make sense to me. Feel free to correct me if Im wrong, im not good with physics.

 

[Fox666]

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A lightning speed and power surely should burn a rubber body. You would need 15km of rubber to stop a lightning...

Here is Kuma sending a rock flying: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/05/

 

[Onomatopoeia]

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Rubber can at most handle 40,000 volts. Luffy should've been a goner at 200k volts.

Thanks for that scan, here's another where Kuma explains that his paws move the air at the speed of light.Right Here

 

[Fox666]

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I believe that Kid and Law meet the real Kuma. It was first introduced to there being Kuma copies with cannon in hands... but so far that fight was keep in secret...
It is possible to Moria fall, or Blackbeard leave the Shichibukai and became a Yonkou after defeating the streongest men in the world. At first hand I wasn't believing much, but for now on, I believe it is plausible for Kuma had offered Kid that position, and now for Luffy, who we know will refuse ("Working for the government is not freedom!!")...

 

[toxun]

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A shichibukai offering another pirates to be one of them? I don't thing that won't happen. The only thing that make a pirate becoming a shichibukai is by proposing him/herself to WG. I don't thing Kuma is going to propose such thing to somebody, because he just a "Paw" of WG, although he may have his own consideration. Teach become a shichibukai after at least his group propose to WG and gaining some prestige of defeating Ace, a sub-ordinate of Shirohige, pirate who on other side with world government.

 

[Devil-buster]

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I believe that Kid and Law meet the real Kuma. It was first introduced to there being Kuma copies with cannon in hands... but so far that fight was keep in secret...
It is possible to Moria fall, or Blackbeard leave the Shichibukai and became a Yonkou after defeating the streongest men in the world. At first hand I wasn't believing much, but for now on, I believe it is plausible for Kuma had offered Kid that position, and now for Luffy, who we know will refuse ("Working for the government is not freedom!!")...

Blackbeard only became a shichibukai recently...and I dont think he is yonkou level yet...we know he already went up against shanks and all he could do is scar his eye....and I think BB knows that, that is why he joined the WG, he might sit back and let WG do the dirty work before sneakin in and dealing the final blow.....also according to what we know, Moria is still a shichibukai,
and if shakky is right and kidd did get a part of his bounty by being a civilian basher, the WG might not want someone like that on the shichibukai, especially with the war against WB coming up....I am not saying he is not strong, just that he is not strong as his bounty would say.....

 

[RichardMNixon]

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I believe that Kid and Law meet the real Kuma. It was first introduced to there being Kuma copies with cannon in hands... but so far that fight was keep in secret...
It is possible to Moria fall, or Blackbeard leave the Shichibukai and became a Yonkou after defeating the streongest men in the world. At first hand I wasn't believing much, but for now on, I believe it is plausible for Kuma had offered Kid that position, and now for Luffy, who we know will refuse ("Working for the government is not freedom!!")...

The Kuma they come upon not only has no Bible, he has no gloves. The Kuma that teleports Zoro has both.

 

[BlackHair]

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Ilovefoxes and Onomatopoei thx for posting the page I asked for. Looking now back at Perona and Zoro, I get the feeling they were killed but that is very unlikely. So I guess the teleport idea sounds logical. But on the other hand they way Kuma hold his hands looks like they were shot rather into the ground than somewhere else. But I also don't support the bible DF theory, since I believe, if it had a ability, the bible itself should touch the person, but that wasn't the case. Well Iam not sure..

I also think Kid and Law faced not the real Kuma, coz the bible was missing and he didn't talked, beside calling them by names.

About BB I do think he is on yonkou/admiral/shichi (only the stronger ones) lvl. Imo he is one of these character, who already stand at the top and can't grow any stronger. Im not basing this on Shanks scar, (since we don't know in what kind of situation they were fighting back then, if it was a fight) but on my personal feeling and experience of shounen manga characters. Anyway since he used WB to gain power, I believe he is now using the WG to protect himself from him and using them now for his own ambition.

 

[Fox666]

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The Kuma they come upon not only has no Bible, he has no gloves. The Kuma that teleports Zoro has both.

Hmm, yes, I miss that... but still, Kuma do not always carry his bibles. But the Kuma they fought did had gloves!