One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 1st Chapter

[Sachsenhesse]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

that movies i seen...

1. Episode of the Island of Perpetual Winter (Great emotion.)
2. Dead End Adventure (Best nonmangastory so far.)
3. The Giant Mecha Soldier of Karakuri Castle (damn funny xD)
4. The Curse of the Sacred Sword (Zoro does the finish move, jeah!)
5. Baron Omatsuri's Island (was kinda lame)

 

[Kaizokuou]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

i think that data about OP being the best seller in Japan only pertained to Jump ones, no?

and i think the Chopper movie really was the best, it somehow condensed that story into movie length but was just as moving as ever. but i really liked the Baron Omatsuri one, it's really creepy and weird and badass, imo. the rest are pretty crap, i especially hated the pacing of the Alabasta one. what's the point of showing Luffy smash Croc thru the ceiling if it's not to the music of Dvorak?!

Oh, and Jango's Dance Carnival is GREAT!

 

[k-dom]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

What I'm wondering is how many people apart from the Monkey Ds themselves know of this awesome family tree? i.e WB, Shanks? we know Sengoku didn't know a thing til Garp told him after he left Luffy in Water 7.

Are we sure that Sengoku knows about dragon ? Garp pretend to tell it to luffy by accident, I would say it is still unknown from the marine. Except if Dragon full name is known from everybody

 

[goldb]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

I know Sengoku doesn't know about Dragon... no one knew Dragon's full name until Garp said it to Luffy in Water 7. I don't think any other Marine knows about it. What i meant is whether or not other great pirates know about it...But now that I think about it, I doubt they do..because even someone as close to Dragon as Iva didn't know about his family but just made a few educated guesses. Even Sengoku didn't know a thing about Luffy until Garp used him as an excuse; and we can consider Garp and Sengoku quite close.

 

[Aizen Sama]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

I know Sengoku doesn't know about Dragon... no one knew Dragon's full name until Garp said it to Luffy in Water 7. I don't think any other Marine knows about it. What i meant is whether or not other great pirates know about it...But now that I think about it, I doubt they do..because even someone as close to Dragon as Iva didn't know about his family but just made a few educated guesses. Even Sengoku didn't know a thing about Luffy until Garp used him as an excuse; and we can consider Garp and Sengoku quite close.

That's not true at all. Sengoku does know Dragon's full name and that luffy is his son. Iva not knowing about luffy is completely irrelevant because Dragon didn't talk about luffy or Ace for that matter. I don't know where you are getting this from. Of course Sengoku knew about luffy they had a whole meeting on him and his crew. They made a wanted poster with his full name.

 

[k-dom]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

Where was it said that sengoku knew about that.

Concerning Luffy I'm not sure Sengoku learned it from Garp. It could also be that he found that the grandson excuse was lame

 

[BlackHair]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

Isn't Dragon's true identity a mystery? I think the HQ doesn't know his relation to Garp, Ace and Luffy. Well anyway, he knows at least that the siblings Ace and Luffy are Garp's grandsons.

 

[Razh]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

Isn't Dragon's true identity a mystery? I think the HQ doesn't know his relation to Garp, Ace and Luffy. Well anyway, he knows at least that the siblings Ace and Luffy are Garp's grandsons.

I think we were given enough clues to believe that Garp's family isn't really a mystery to WG.
Sengoku says "whole damned family". We don't know anything about Dragon's past, but during the meeting in Vivi's flashback it was said that Dragon will be a serious threat to world stability in a few years. They must have known at least something about him. It's also possible that he was in the Marine too.

Here, Emporio thinks that Marines aren't aware of what they are doing.
But WG has a lot of spies. CP9 and others. It would be weird if they didn't at least try to find out anything they can about Dragon, aside from trying to capture or kill him.
That takes us back to the first link, where Sengoku says that Garp would take responsibility for the actions of his family if he weren't a famous hero of the Marines.

 

[fastfonz]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

I wonder if Dragon was a famous marine or someone famous before he became Dragon. The odds are he was known as Grap's son before becoming Dragon. Grap was probably an Admiral in the past, and is only a vice-admiral because he either didnt do his job in a particular important occassion(s) or is simply retired.

I dont see how Dragon (who likely has another name), was not a known individual before. Garp probably raised him to be both: a marine and a strong individual like Luffy and Ace.

I dont think the Marines know Dragon is Garp's son.. I dont think thats Dragon's real name and the reason he likely changed his name and didnt raise his sons are the same. He wanted to protect them as much as he wanted to disassociate himself from Garp.

Also, how did Ace, Dragon, and BB come up with Logia fruits. Are Logias and D's somewhere related. Or did Ace and BB get those fruits from being with WB and WB control over the new world and Dragon obtained his as a previous marine officer a la CP9 style.. I doubt that one since if that is how he obtained it, then the marines would know how he is since they would know who had that fruit.

Anyway, again Sengoku is a dumbass who cant even figure shit that is right under his nose.

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It's also possible that he was in the Marine too.

Yeah, thats my guess too.. and yeah, maybe the marines know. I dont know, maybe im not given Sengoku his due.

 

[PaLLl]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

wait wait wait....where is written , that Dragon ate DF ? and also Logia ????

 

[Schabrak]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

wait wait wait....where is written , that Dragon ate DF ? and also Logia ????

Don't get confused. That words were just a product of his fantasy.^^ We just do not know about it right now.

It should be clear, that every high ranked marine knows about Garps and Dragons connection. I hope it at least... Everything else would be pretty dumb.

Where has the discussion about 543/544 gone? Washed away pretty far it seems.^^

 

[bittman]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

It's not written anywhere and we have no hard evidence; fastfonz just assumed it would be so. That said, Dragon has been shown constantly with some affinity to wind, it would not be a stretch of the imagination to see him with a wind logia or a weather-based fruit of some description.

I also like the idea Dragon was an ex-marine...

And yes, Sengoku surely knows Dragon and Garp are related. Why would he say "that whole goddam family" if it was just Garp and Luffy that he knew of? Give the man a little credit, even if he does seem to be getting a lot wrong lately...

Many reasons it would not be public knowledge, the major one I see being that if Garp and Dragon are very different men on different sides. Even the hint of a relationship between them could ruin the reputation of what they stand for. There are a few other plausible reasons too.

 

[Rotten The Wizard]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

Evidence points to WG knowing who Dragon is and his relation to luffy and Ace. But that hasnt been made clear yet.

 

[BlackHair]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

It's just assumption right now. With Sengoku saying "your whole damn family" it can be also refereed to Luffy and Ace. Luffy who brought down Enis Lobby, punched a Tenyro at SA and who is now rampaging around ID. Well and Ace, 2nd commander of WB, god knows what he did so far.

Dragon kept his relation a secret to even Iva also to these guy's. So if not even men close to Dragon knew, than there is less success for WG's spies to find anything. Also there is a high possibility that the revolution army has spies among the WG as well. To spread fake rumours etc.. maybe Im thinking to hard on james bond movies here xD Now Kuma seems to be a wild card, until it is said on which side he really is I doubt WG knowing anything.

Though I can see Sengoku knowing, but not the WG, the five old geezers. I mean they erased Ohara just cause they were trying to figure out the true history. If they knew about Dragon's identity, then what would they do with the family (Luffy, Ace and Garp) of the man who is the head of the revolution army?! They would have tried to use them against him imo.

This! And more importantly, wasn't this the discussion thread of 543 and prediction of 544? O.O It sure does not like it.

We are already at the time where spoilers starts to appear. So at this time most ppl including me tend to go offtopic. It's natural around here xD

 

[SilversDKRayleigh]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

Also, how did Ace, Dragon, and BB come up with Logia fruits. Are Logias and D's somewhere related. Or did Ace and BB get those fruits from being with WB and WB control over the new world and Dragon obtained his as a previous marine officer a la CP9 style.. I doubt that one since if that is how he obtained it, then the marines would know how he is since they would know who had that fruit.

why would being a D have anything to do with Logias, u just get lucky and find one.

 

[fastfonz]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

why would being a D have anything to do with Logias, u just get lucky and find one.

thats the natural assumption, that individuals just randomly find devil fruits including logia fruits, but there are few logias, few Ds, and they correlate often. Just wondering if there is more to it than Oda just pairing them together to make those with the will of D stronger or out of personal amusement.

 

[elitefox]

Re: One Piece 543 Discussion/544 Predictions Thread

I think dragon is known as dragon, the revolutionary as seen in many posters

Thus many people wouldn't trace it easily to the D. Monkeys' perse

 

[bittman]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

Also, another bit of information which could be added to all this:

Shakkie is known to be quite a knowledgeable woman, quick to bring up bits of information she finds interesting. When meeting Luffy, she was quick to spot that Monkey D Luffy was the grandson of Monkey D Garp, yet she never laid out any information about Ace or Dragon.

From the Water7 reaction, everyone who is anyone knows Dragon, but I'm sure that if Dragon's full name was known, Luffy's relationship would have been revealed much earlier.

So though many know of Luffy -> Garp.
Few know of Luffy -> Ace.
And few know of Luffy -> Dragon.

I would say Luffy -> Dragon is less widely known, but Luffy -> Ace seems to be largely unknown by a lot of people especially given their different surnames...and Garp told about 500 people about Luffy -> Dragon without meaning to...

 

[Sachsenhesse]

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i think there is a high chance that the wg knows about dragon und luffy, just remember the second appearance of kuma, where he did know which son luffy is

 

[BlackHair]

Re: One Piece Mega Convo (Spoilers!)

Kuma also helped the SH's at SA. At this point u can't really tell on which side he is on. Depending on that, we might tell if the WG does know or not.

Just read Ohara, how the WG take measures to protect their existence. Now Dragon is known enemy of the WG, who leads the revolution army, which is a direct threat for the WG. If his identity is known to the WG, wouldn't they use his family to get him? Well harming Ace might be a different case, since he is with WB. But Luffy (pre-Grandline) and the ppl in his village should be a easy target and probably enough to get Dragon out of the reserve. Yet they didn't. I don't think Garp could have protected them. So they most likely don't know.

Sengoku might be a different case. He seems to be close with Garp. So I could expect him knowing but not telling the higher ups.

Well everything just fan made theory xD