One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

[bittman]

If Chopper is the only doctor in this entire war Whitebeard isn't nearly as good at making a crew as he thinks he is. Surely amongst 1600 crew and countless allies there are doctors...well at least there are pretty nurses in short skirts!

And Rayleigh could coat sunny and arrive, sure...but he's only one man. Doesn't matter who you are, one man cannot sail a vessel of that size by themselves. Would need to be like Rayleigh + Rosy Life Riders + Hacchi/Camie + Shakky at the very least.

I'm not keen about Rayleigh turning up anyway, at most he'll only do it to save Luffy. Even Rayleigh knows his best years are behind him, he struggled holding off Kizaru.

 

[Black Lagoon]

But we don't know the mechanics behind coating and how fast it can travel.

yes, but what I mean is how much time it will take them to get from where the are to the Sabaody Archipelago?

 

[Razh]

I'm not keen about Rayleigh turning up anyway, at most he'll only do it to save Luffy. Even Rayleigh knows his best years are behind him, he struggled holding off Kizaru.

There's still some life in him. His best days are behind him sure, but while he was struggling against Kizaru, all of the younger guys who were fighting Kizaru got one hit KOd. None of them had any chance of killing him while Rayleigh could actually do it.

I can easily imagine Rayleigh arriving like you said, with Rosy Life riders (or whatever they will call themselves) and Shakky. Chances are she can probably fight too.

If Whitebeard is to die, I can imagine Rayleigh being the one to lead the pirates in this battle. He is a legend after all.

 

[Gecko Moria]

If Whitebeard is to die, I can imagine Rayleigh being the one to lead the pirates in this battle. He is a legend after all.

Only problem being whether or not Rayleigh actually appears in the battle or if he is still trying to live a normal life. I know about the theory that Rayleigh might have been the one that opened the gates, but I think it's pretty unlikely he's going to suddenly appear and lead an army of pirates against the World Government. If Whitebeard was to die, leadership would be handed down to one of his division commanders (Marco, most likely).

 

[Razh]

Only problem being whether or not Rayleigh actually appears in the battle or if he is still trying to live a normal life. I know about the theory that Rayleigh might have been the one that opened the gates, but I think it's pretty unlikely he's going to suddenly appear and lead an army of pirates against the World Government. If Whitebeard was to die, leadership would be handed down to one of his division commanders (Marco, most likely).

He's not the type of guy to lead a normal life while WG and pirates are waging war and balance is crumbling like a dry cookie.
I don't think Rayleigh had anything to do with the Gate. I'm suggesting that he could arrive during the battle, not just suddenly appear. And you couldn't actually call Rayleigh, Shakky and Rosy Life Riders an army of pirates.

Thanks for explaining how the chain of command works but I was suggesting that pirates, Marco included, would gladly accept the leadership of the legendary Dark King.

I always thought that Whitebeard and Rayleigh would meet eventually. This could be the last opportunity.

 

[bittman]

I don't think Rayleigh could take over. Heck, even if Gol D Roger rose from his grave, Whitebeard dying would basically ruin the rest of the push except for Luffy and some miscreants here and there. What would ensue would be a mixture of rage and fear by the pirates, whilst the marines gain hope. Morales are everything in a war like this.

Sure someone could step up and "lead" this group of pirates with their status, but these people are here for two people: Whitebeard and Ace. I mean, Robin was taken from Luffy, so the Strawhat's gave chase. If Luffy had died, it wouldn't matter if Shanks himself appeared, the fight lost it's meaning and a lot of the driving force.

Point is: Whitebeard is a clear key to victory for the marines here. His demise is the equivalent to winning the war. Same as Sengoku, except on a larger scale. If Sengoku goes down, well marines lose a lot of face, morale and a lot of their tactical ingenuity. Someone could pick up the pieces, but it won't be the same.

Unfortunately for the pirates, Whitebeard's name means a lot more than Sengoku's.

 

[Gol.D.Roger]

I know at this point, everyone is looking for a way out (for the WB crew, Luffy and Ace), but I still think that all the pieces are there. We still have not seen the limits of the Division commanders, all of them combined might be enough to pull this through, even without WB; I don't think anyone could have guessed that Vista the fifth division commander could hold his own against Mihawk (the greatest swordsman in the world) and much much more. Even the tenth division commander seems to be giving Moria some trouble (although we have to see how that plays out)

I agree with the people that say even if Rayleigh shows up... command will not pass to him. Even if Gol.d.Roger rose from the dead, Marco would not hand over command to him. It is clear that Marco would take over (being perfecty capable) and do a fine of job of leading the crew out of this situation. We still have not seen what would happen if Marco goes nuts.

This of course is assuming WB dies with one stab... for all we know.. WB might go nuts and destroy half the island before he dies...

 

[Razh]

Nobody is saying that Rayleigh will take over. Well, not me anyway. I'm hinting at something that I believe is possible.

Whitbeard won't die from one stab.

 

[deffkryz]

Right now, the Decalvan Bros. already are in command, and Whitebeard was about to dash into the fight. I guess Marco and he just made up the final plan and didn't expect Squawd (<- yeah another spelling. ) to show up.

I wouldn't wonder about if Squawd was a indeed a WG agent, maybe from one of the cipher pols, though not from the dismembered Nr. 9, of course. He could also be allied with Kaidou or the yet unknown fourth yonkou or one of the shichibukai - or even by a yet unknown force. But that's just mere speculation - we have to see how badass his face looks like one the next pages. If he's against WB (or this attack) I guess he'll explain his actions in one of the next chapters.

IMHO this attack should be taken straight by fans. Oda has created some wicked plots and turnout of events, but I don't think Squawd would attack WB either to boost his power nor for a sophisticated plan to infiltrate the Marines or even the WG (because both would be gigantic plotholes!).

We may not forget, WB already had a bad feeling about Ace's chase for BB. I guess WB already knew that his reign was about to crumble right after BB murdered Thatch and fled.

 

[bittman]

We may not forget, WB already had a bad feeling about Ace's chase for BB. I guess WB already knew that his reign was about to crumble right after BB murdered Thatch and fled.

Actually it was Shanks who had a bad feeling, Whitebeard's was too proud to admit there was anything wrong with sending out Ace, let alone take advice from someone he would still basically deem a rookie.

I didn't think much about Squadro perhaps having alliances other than the WG. I still think a marine-alliance is top of the cards, but I can't rule out one of the remaining Yonkou or even a Shichibukai (though Oda seems to keep most of them without a recurring crew for some reason).

Heck, on that note: Do some of the Shichibukai have a crew relative to their strength? Compare Luffy -> Strawhat's with Shicbukai's -> crews.

Mihawk and Kuma probably don't even have a crew...
Whereas Doflamingo is plenty strong by himself, but probably doesn't have any "nakama", but rather "pawns".

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Actually it was Shanks who had a bad feeling, Whitebeard's was too proud to admit there was anything wrong with sending out Ace, let alone take advice from someone he would still basically deem a rookie.

Actually, WB had a bad feeling and did not want Ace to chase after him but Ace decided to disobey WB (even Marco and Jozu tried to keep him). After that, WB decided to act as if he was the one that decided that Ace had to chase after BB : he did that in front of Shanks and at MHQ in front of everyone because he is the kind of guy that feels responsible for his nakamas : as he said in front of Shanks, he cares about his sons'soul. Nevertheless, he never liked that Ace was chasing BB and he never said that he liked it.
And I think the fact that Shanks came to say that this situation was hazardous confirmed his feeling : that's why he said to him that he would take care of this personally if he had to, " And what, I'm the WB ! "

 

[deffkryz]

Actually it was Shanks who had a bad feeling, Whitebeard's was too proud to admit there was anything wrong with sending out Ace, let alone take advice from someone he would still basically deem a rookie.

Chapter "Ace and Whitebeard". WB also had an "uneasy" feeling about that.

Heck, on that note: Do some of the Shichibukai have a crew relative to their strength? Compare Luffy -> Strawhat's with Shicbukai's -> crews.

Moria has at least some crew. But I think the only one able to stand a chance against him was Perona. Hancock also has a crew - but I don't think others of her crew would have a chance both against her petrifying powers and haki. Not even her sisters.

Jinbei doesn't have a crew anymore IMHO, because where are they? I guess most of them left with Arlong or splitted into other groups. But, Arlong is said to be as strong as Jinbei (Ch.69). So I think when he was the captain of the Fishmen Pirates, there might have been some equality like Luffy, Zoro and Sanji...

Crocodile really stood out of his Baroque Works. I don't think - without water - there would have been someone in his mafia that could go up against him.

Blackbeard... We know almost nothing about his crewmates although he "acquired" Shiryuu, someone who equaled Magellan in strength, who on the other hand easily defeated Blackbeard. But I think Blackbeard doesn't have to fear his mates' abilities.

 

[LoS]

Whatever happened to Luckas, is he no longer a mod for OP board?

 

[OunknownO]

oda is beginning to piss me off. all the time he is making some kind of pauses..... so he got a kid big deal he is not the only one

 

[beastboy]

he got a kid, a movie, anime fillers and 0 volume "strong world"...
and do you know how mutch it takes to draw a manga??

 

[Black Lagoon]

he got a kid, a movie, anime fillers and 0 volume "strong world"...
and do you know how mutch it takes to draw a manga??

Agree, and if you don't know then read Bakuman

 

[OunknownO]

It's his freaking job -.-' , don't you not think that after 10 years he would get a hang of it

PS. Bakuman is manga not a documentary

 

[Poneglyph420]

I understand that we all want more OP as often as possible, and it is Oda's "Job" to provide said manga. However everyone does deserve a break and especially after having a baby! It must be hard to concentrate and even have a normal life for poor Oda right now... Don't get me wrong OP is my crack, and I'd love to have a chapter each week, I can see why we are having breaks like this.

Agreed Bakuman explains simulated reality... manga.

 

[beastboy]

fathers have right to 2 months of break when thay have a kid.. Oda took 2 weeks til now!!
And Bakuman explains pretty well.. after all who's better to tell the reality in mp other than a jump writter?

 

[Bugzee]

Erm.. I dont understand why some are hating on Oda all of a sudden! His done a SUUUPPPERRRR job so far!!! Give the dude a break!! If I was Oda, believe me I would take more then a weeks break!!! LOL Thankfully, I ain't Oda because theres only one Oda haha!

One thing is for sure, the next chapter is going to be OFF THE CHAIN!!!!!!!