One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

[Lord Rayleigh]

We all know that Rayleigh was the Dark King, that he very likely owns the Haoushoku Haki and that he was a swordman. Luffy said that Zoro's ambition was necessary for him to be the nakama - or vice-captain - of the Pirate King. So, we can wonder how strong Raylegih as a swordman when he was the right hand of the Roger. It's a good question when we know that Mihawks was only a rookie 20 years ago (see Chapter 0).

So, I just payed attention to how Rayleigh was in Chapter 0 when he was a Jolly Roger pirate and I found some interesting things.
Rayleigh used to wear at his prime the same outfits that Mihawks wears now that he is the strongest swordman. Indeed, they both :
- have exactly the same design on their collar
- have a coat completely black
- are stipped to the waist.
It's also confirmed from Chapter 0 that Mihawks did not wear them when he was a rookie, and from Shabondy Archipelago arc that Rayleigh does not wear them anymore.

Spoiler

Does that not suggest obviously that Raylegih was really the strongest swordman before Mihawks ? That'd mean that Mihawks did not get his title by beating Rayleigh as he retired before Mihawks became the strongest. That also suggests that Rayleigh never lost his title in a fight but only because of retirement as Roger disbanded the crew.

Some questions come to my mind after all that. Did Mihawks get his title by beating the guy that used to be the second best swordman during Rayleigh's era, or did he get it with time ?
Was Shiryuu the second strongest swordman during Rayleigh's time - remember Shiryuu was the director of ID at this time ?
Did Mihawks beat Shiryuu ?

 

[redred]

We all know that Rayleigh was the Dark King, that he very likely owns the Haoushoku Haki and that he was a swordman. Luffy said that Zoro's ambition was necessary for him to be the nakama - or vice-captain - of the Pirate King. So, we can wonder how strong Raylegih as a swordman when he was the right hand of the Roger. It's a good question when we know that Mihawks was only a rookie 20 years ago (see Chapter 0).

So, I just payed attention to how Rayleigh was in Chapter 0 when he was a Jolly Roger pirate and I found some interesting things.
Rayleigh used to wear at his prime the same outfits that Mihawks wears now that he is the strongest swordman. Indeed, they both :
- have exactly the same design on their collar
- have a coat completely black
- are stipped to the waist.
It's also confirmed from Chapter 0 that Mihawks did not wear them when he was a rookie, and from Shabondy Archipelago arc that Rayleigh does not wear them anymore.

Spoiler

Does that not suggest obviously that Raylegih was really the strongest swordman before Mihawks ? That'd mean that Mihawks did not get his title by beating Rayleigh as he retired before Mihawks became the strongest. That also suggests that Rayleigh never lost his title in a fight but only because of retirement as Roger disbanded the crew.

Some questions come to my mind after all that. Did Mihawks get his title by beating the guy that used to be the second best swordman during Rayleigh's era, or did he get it with time ?
Was Shiryuu the second strongest swordman during Rayleigh's time - remember Shiryuu was the director of ID at this time ?
Did Mihawks beat Shiryuu ?

great post. id actually like if this theory was true.
why shouldnt the greatest pirate also have the greatest swordsman.
i think luffy said so himself. :P

 

[bittman]

Interesting theory Rayleigh.

As for Shiryuu, well to get the "Strongest Swordsman" title, you'd most likely have to continue proving your worth against capable swordsmen. If Shiryuu was wardening a jail, he was mostly proving his worth in front of prisoners with seastone cuffs on.

And uhh, what's all this "everyone in New World has haki" business? Remember Smoker? He kinda let a few attacks go through him from new world pirates (or WB pirates, same thing) no dramas. The admirals only got hit about three times in the entire exchange as well.

I expect quite a few people in the New World have haki, but it'll still be something less than 25% of pirates having haki.

 

[beastboy]

^
25% of the CAPTAINS would make me happier!
Cause 25% is a very high percentage!

 

[Gcat88]

I think we need more than 25% of captains, and we also need more Haki. Remember the people from amazon lily were strong and they didnt have kings haki. you dont need kings haki to be strong there is other levels that are strong, just not as strong.

 

[goldb]

That's the kinda theory I can go along with , very good indeed.
@beasboy: not really, we could estimate that it's less than that in the GL. The NW is the elite's seas so to say 25% of people there use haki isn't that unlikely, seeing also as they could indetify which types of haki were which(Luffy's outburst during the war) and most people in the GL aren't even familiar with the concept alone.

 

[Fox666]

You guys are taking the concept of "Haki" too serious.

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It would be cool if one of the Yonkou was a former marine (like Drake) but a former Admiral. Or even a former Shichibukai... can you imagine? "Yonkou Kaidou, former Shichibukai", "Yonkou Kong, former Fleet Admiral of the Marines"

 

[elitefox]

I think we need more than 25% of captains, and we also need more Haki. Remember the people from amazon lily were strong and they didnt have kings haki. you dont need kings haki to be strong there is other levels that are strong, just not as strong.

I think they can only embed it to their weapons, nothing more lol

so its not that strong I guess.

 

[Bugzee]

Great post Lord Rayliegh

It was a very interesting read! I am more keen now to know how Mihawk gained his title of 'Greatest swordsmen in the world'...its highly unlikely he fought Rayliegh for it . I wonder if Mihawk & Shiryuu know each other?? *apart from just each others names that is lol*

 

[Fox666]

Shiryu was not the chief warden of Impel Down in the past. We don't know who was it at chapter 0. Shiryu was a chief guard (as Sadi-chan is) and Hannyabal now is his superior. He is in the same situation as Smoker: guys who don't follow the rules are not promoted.

 

[deffkryz]

I just of something when I reviewed the Strong World trailer yesterday, but I don't want to open a new thread for it in the Tree of Knowledge section: If there are sea-stone/kaioseki that suppress DF powers - are there maybe some very very rare crystals/whatevermaterial that may boost them or renders the kaioseki's effect useless? I don't mean "haki" but something concrete and really "touchable".

I wonder why the movies or the anime fillers didn't bring that up within the last 10 years... Maybe Oda plots something in that direction (or everyone thinks of it to be too unfitting. )

 

[goldb]

I never thought of that. If that is in fact true then that would explain why it jasn't been used in any filler; because Oda plans to impliment it in the story, maybe sometime when we meet Dr.Vegapunk? My own opinion is if there was such a thing we'd have heard a mention of it by now.

 

[chess4]

We all know that Rayleigh was the Dark King, that he very likely owns the Haoushoku Haki and that he was a swordman. Luffy said that Zoro's ambition was necessary for him to be the nakama - or vice-captain - of the Pirate King. So, we can wonder how strong Raylegih as a swordman when he was the right hand of the Roger. It's a good question when we know that Mihawks was only a rookie 20 years ago (see Chapter 0).

So, I just payed attention to how Rayleigh was in Chapter 0 when he was a Jolly Roger pirate and I found some interesting things.
Rayleigh used to wear at his prime the same outfits that Mihawks wears now that he is the strongest swordman. Indeed, they both :
- have exactly the same design on their collar
- have a coat completely black
- are stipped to the waist.
It's also confirmed from Chapter 0 that Mihawks did not wear them when he was a rookie, and from Shabondy Archipelago arc that Rayleigh does not wear them anymore.

Spoiler

Does that not suggest obviously that Raylegih was really the strongest swordman before Mihawks ? That'd mean that Mihawks did not get his title by beating Rayleigh as he retired before Mihawks became the strongest. That also suggests that Rayleigh never lost his title in a fight but only because of retirement as Roger disbanded the crew.

Some questions come to my mind after all that. Did Mihawks get his title by beating the guy that used to be the second best swordman during Rayleigh's era, or did he get it with time ?
Was Shiryuu the second strongest swordman during Rayleigh's time - remember Shiryuu was the director of ID at this time ?
Did Mihawks beat Shiryuu ?

yes they are very similar. could explain the reason for shanks and mihawks dueling so much. maybe the coat is passed down from generation to gneration. mihawk told zoro to seek him out and defeat him when he is ready. i think mihawk has chosen zoro as his successor, and whether he can survive or not is the test.

if you look at zoro's style. he always wears his shirt open, just like mihawk. so if(and when) zoro beats mihawk, zoro can put on the cloak and his style would not change much.

luffy is so much like rogers. its only logical that they think alike,so it would make sense for their crews to e similar.

the pirate king shoudnt hav anything but the best on his crew

 

[Black Lagoon]

A bit off topic but whatever

there's one thing about Oda that makes him very very special, he likes to leave most deaths mostly suggested (Bellamy, Paul ...). The only exceptions being Dr. Hiruluk who died in an explosive not so gruesome and Bellemere which was getting her brains splattered which was the most bloody thing I've seen in this manga (And Roger of course ... the only difference was ... hmmm ... showing the whole scene of their deaths), but after those two, most other scenes of violence tend to be toned down.

 

[chess4]

i hope some of WB's other commanders get formerly introduced during the escape. the only other one who may have fruit power is the guy with the pockets in his face. he pulled a mallet out of one those pockets

 

[frontaLobotomy]

^ Lol @ Pocket Pocket Fruit, well spotted. It would be nice to attatch some names to the faces, it's a pretty big crew, but I'm sure Ace will introduce Luffy to each of the Commanders prior to him passing out (or maybe after).

 

[Black Lagoon]

whatever power they have IMO it'd be just a waste of time and panels unless someone can make a difference in the escape, because they can't be stronger than Marco, Jozu or Vista. ^^

 

[Akainu]

I guess we are going to see an introducion of them with all their powers explained once Oda does a new data book (maybe white as in whitebeard? :x) anyhow, I also think it's a waste of space to do that now since the manga should focus on more important things like getting the srawhats back to Luffy

 

[Black Lagoon]

I think it works from a distance. Thats what kept Smoker from flowing through the bars of Crocodiles Jail Cell.

I forgot.
So now to answer Schabrak : I think her power would be nullified before it reach the Jutte.
but there's one thing that contradict what I'm saying (maybe many but if one is shown or proven it's enough :P) , how has Mr3 used his power to open the Cell back then in Alabasta and the handcuffs in the last chapter?

 

[Fox666]

Smoker Logia form lack precision to go through the bar whithout touching them...