One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

[ANBU4U]

I forgot.
So now to answer Schabrak : I think her power would be nullified before it reach the Jutte.
but there's one thing that contradict what I'm saying (maybe many but if one is shown or proven it's enough :P) , how has Mr3 used his power to open the Cell back then in Alabasta and the handcuffs in the last chapter?

Same reason Iva's hormones probably wont wear off if she dies. the DF's power its self it to create something (hormones, Wax) from nothing. The wax in its self is a real tangible object once its created. No reason it would cease to be so in the presence of seastone.

Ones powers simply cant effect seastone, or be activated in close presence of it. It think the radius is about a foot or so. That would explain why Smoker has the juttes tip hanging so far from his body (on top of the thick clothes) and why Onigumu had the seastone cuffs on such long sticks.

Remember, just being in the Seastone cell sapped Luffys strength, he could barely move. Theres definitely a field.

 

[Black Lagoon]

Smoker Logia form lack precision to go through the bar whithout touching them...

but they weren't so tight/narrow

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Same reason Iva's hormones probably wont wear off if she dies. the DF's power its self it to create something (hormones, Wax) from nothing. The wax in its self is a real tangible object once its created. No reason it would cease to be so in the presence of seastone.

Ones powers simply cant effect seastone, or be activated in close presence of it. It think the radius is about a foot or so. That would explain why Smoker has the juttes tip hanging so far from his body (on top of the thick clothes) and why Onigumu had the seastone cuffs on such long sticks.

Remember, just being in the Seastone cell sapped Luffys strength, he could barely move. Theres definitely a field.

that's it I totally agree, and this can explain a lot of things (well at least for me) and the radius thing is what I've been looking for.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

People constantly underestimate Enel.

1.) He has a GREAT logia, better than Fire, Ice, or Magma, IMO.
2.) He can use predictive Haki (Mantra, pretty sure they're the same thing. Sky Islands just really isolated.)
3.) He can Fight from greater distances than we've ever seen in the manga.
4.) Even though Luffy's ability was his weakness, Enel is the ONLY enemy Luffy hasn't been able to knock out. When all was said and done, his death cloud was dispersed, and he was sent flying. But he was on his feet last we saw.

Enel was a beast, even when Luffy could wail on him, he proved to be a good melee fighter. And his inital shock of being able to be touched is understandable given SI's isolation and the fact that they dont even know what rubber is. I think he recovered quite well.

Enel would be a TERROR on the Blue Seas, an absolute terror.

You've almost said everything. I have to say that Enel also has the power to move at the speed of thunder. And about his mantra, he has an amazing one : he was able to predict the movements of anybody on Skypiea Island

I don't know why people underestimate him. Yes, he was beat by Luffy but what's the matter with it ? Crocodile also was and he is still a beast in One Piece as you can see in the MHQ arc. And people must not forget that unlike Crocodile, Enel could not hurt Luffy with his logia.

 

[RichardMNixon]

People constantly underestimate Enel.

1.) He has a GREAT logia, better than Fire, Ice, or Magma, IMO.
2.) He can use predictive Haki (Mantra, pretty sure they're the same thing. Sky Islands just really isolated.)
3.) He can Fight from greater distances than we've ever seen in the manga.
4.) Even though Luffy's ability was his weakness, Enel is the ONLY enemy Luffy hasn't been able to knock out. When all was said and done, his death cloud was dispersed, and he was sent flying. But he was on his feet last we saw.

Enel was a beast, even when Luffy could wail on him, he proved to be a good melee fighter. And his inital shock of being able to be touched is understandable given SI's isolation and the fact that they dont even know what rubber is. I think he recovered quite well.

Enel would be a TERROR on the Blue Seas, an absolute terror.

Are we reading the same forum? I see people drastically overestimating Enel, putting him in the same league as the admirals, that's laughable. He's strong yes, but on the blue sea he's not a god by any means. Luffy told him there were loads of monstrous guys on the blue sea that could take him out; he wasn't bluffing. Enel is a glass cannon: a few hits from Luffy and he was on all fours spitting up blood and begging for respite: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/281/18-19/

He was also in no better condition after his fight with Luffy than anyone else was (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/298/16-17/), I don't know where you're getting that. If he was so fine, why didn't he immediately attack Skypiea again as soon as Luffy left?

One of the snake sisters had a mantra-like ability also, but it didn't help her against gear 2nd. Even though she saw the attacks coming, she couldn't move fast enough to do anything about it. Enel can move fast, but his reaction time was nothing exceptional. He's concerned here that Luffy's strike is too fast: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/298/12-13/

The restarting his heart bit was amazing, but if he didn't have that he would have been finished by Wiper. Do you think a reject dial and seastone would be enough to take down Aokiji or Joz?

 

[Black Lagoon]

^ Don't you understand what a natural enemy means? It's true that Enel is a bit stupid (Just look at his dream ), but telling that we are overestimating Enel is like saying Zoro is a fodder (He was beaten by him).

His DF power is amazing, I think you're the one that's underestimating him.

 

[Zehahaha]

Are we reading the same forum? I see people drastically overestimating Enel, putting him in the same league as the admirals, that's laughable. He's strong yes, but on the blue sea he's not a god by any means. Luffy told him there were loads of monstrous guys on the blue sea that could take him out; he wasn't bluffing. Enel is a glass cannon: a few hits from Luffy and he was on all fours spitting up blood and begging for respite: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/281/18-19/

He was also in no better condition after his fight with Luffy than anyone else was (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/298/16-17/), I don't know where you're getting that. If he was so fine, why didn't he immediately attack Skypiea again as soon as Luffy left?

One of the snake sisters had a mantra-like ability also, but it didn't help her against gear 2nd. Even though she saw the attacks coming, she couldn't move fast enough to do anything about it. Enel can move fast, but his reaction time was nothing exceptional. He's concerned here that Luffy's strike is too fast: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/298/12-13/

The restarting his heart bit was amazing, but if he didn't have that he would have been finished by Wiper. Do you think a reject dial and seastone would be enough to take down Aokiji or Joz?

From what he we have seen, the admirals didn't show us something amazing either, they kept relying on their logia's power just as much as Enel did. If you take away their Logia's powers, i doubt they can defeat Luffy since they didn't any GREAT physical abilities like Luffy, Lucci...

If Enel was against Aokiji, Akainu, Kizaru... It would be a tie, there's no doubt.

I'm sorry but Enel is definitely a powerhouse on the same level as the admirals IMO

 

[Gcat88]

I disagree. I believe that Enel is strong, but the same level as the admirals no. The Admirals, i think, are even stronger than the shickibukai. It would be a good battle, but i think that any of the admirals can defeat Enel. This doesnt mean i dont believe he is strong.

 

[Zehahaha]

I disagree. I believe that Enel is strong, but the same level as the admirals no. The Admirals, i think, are even stronger than the shickibukai. It would be a good battle, but i think that any of the admirals can defeat Enel. This doesnt mean i dont believe he is strong.

Give me one reason for that ! They can't unless they have Haki which is not proven, so for the moment, it would be a tie between them ( I even think that Enel can defeat Aokiji with his Gloam Paddling technique wich allow him to transform his weapon and make electricity pass trough it wich produce heat )

 

[Zeltrax]

Judging by the way you guys say that Enel is as strong as the admirals,
I just want to point out something.
Enel lost to luffy because of his rubber fruit, not because of luffy's strength.
However,the admirals we have on the blue sea are not afraid of the rubber fruit. If you guys say that enel is on the same level as the admirals, and he lost to luffy just becos of his fruit, then does it means that it's confirmed that ace will kick aokiji ass?
or that kizaru will defeat blackbeard?
No.
Luffy was not just lucky that he was rubber, he was strong too and Enel was weak.
Face it, Enel is weaker than any of the admirals, he was the god just becos of his df.
Hell, aokiji can be the god of the blue seas becos he can fking freeze every single ocean.

 

[Black Lagoon]

I disagree. I believe that Enel is strong, but the same level as the admirals no. The Admirals, i think, are even stronger than the shickibukai. It would be a good battle, but i think that any of the admirals can defeat Enel. This doesnt mean i dont believe he is strong.

I don't wanna use the word Shichibukais as a general term, because we cannot compare Moria with Mihawk, Dofla or Jimbei ...

 

[Zehahaha]

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Face it, Enel is weaker than any of the admirals, he was the god just becos of his df.

And Aokiji is strong because of his DF, so WB, so Marco, so Jozu, so Akainu, so Magellan...

Look, as long as admirals aren't the natural ennemies of Enel, the it would be always a TIE between Enel and one of them that's for sure, that's why I consider him at the same level as the admirals (Unless they have Haki, then it's another story if it's the case )

 

[Black Lagoon]

Judging by the way you guys say that Enel is as strong as the admirals,
I just want to point out something.
Enel lost to luffy because of his rubber fruit, not because of luffy's strength.
However,the admirals we have on the blue sea are not afraid of the rubber fruit. If you guys say that enel is on the same level as the admirals, and he lost to luffy just becos of his fruit, then does it means that it's confirmed that ace will kick aokiji ass?
or that kizaru will defeat blackbeard?
No.
Luffy was not just lucky that he was rubber, he was strong too and Enel was weak.
Face it, Enel is weaker than any of the admirals, he was the god just becos of his df.
Hell, aokiji can be the god of the blue seas becos he can fking freeze every single ocean.

I'm gonna say it again, I think you guys don't know what a NATURAL enemy means. Just like Jimbei and Moria's Zombies ....... Ace and Aokiji are a bit different.

 

[RichardMNixon]

^ Don't you understand what a natural enemy means? It's true that Enel is a bit stupid (Just look at his dream ), but telling that we are overestimating Enel is like saying Zoro is a fodder (He was beaten by him).

But no one is making Zoro out to be the strongest character in the series, invincible against anyone except Luffy.

His DF power is amazing, I think you're the one that's underestimating him.

And Aokiji is strong because of his DF, so WB, so Marco, so Jozu, so Akainu, so Magellan...

Yes, his DF is amazing, but we've also seen Marco, Aokiji, Joz, etc be remarkably strong without their already remarkable DF, and we've seen in this war that there's a lot more to fighting at the higher levels than just having a good DF. A rifle from Luffy sent Enel flying; Aokiji hardly noticed the same attack. He didn't logia disperse, he just took it in the gut like Morgan hitting Garp.

Enel is a glass cannon. A solid punch or two from Joz and Enel is out of the game.

 

[Gcat88]

Exactly!! If you are talking about elements, the admirals win. this is One Piece anything is possible. Enel COULD defeat them, but from what we know, and the amount of power we have seen, the admirals would defeat him.

 

[ANBU4U]

Enel is a glass cannon. A solid punch or two from Joz and Enel is out of the game.

Enel took his fair beating and kept going. Once upon a time I imagine you would have said the same of Croc no? He took a hit from Joz unawares and is still standing.

Enel may have less stamina than some, but hes not going to get one hit.

 

[WinningDays]

This is kind of (well, maybe completely) dumb, but does anyone else think that if Enel and Crocodile fought each other, they could make glass....?
You know, isn't that how glass is made? When lightning hits sand??
Uhh...I could be completely wrong...

Well, anyway I think it would be pretty funny if they fought and all they could do was make clumps of glass

But anyways, I don't think Enel could beat the admirals, etc. unless he trains himself some more and experiments with his devil fruit power... If he does though, I bet he could beat most people, even Luffy if they had a rematch.

 

[ANBU4U]

This is kind of (well, maybe completely) dumb, but does anyone else think that if Enel and Crocodile fought each other, they could make glass....?
You know, isn't that how glass is made? When lightning hits sand??
Uhh...I could be completely wrong...

Well, anyway I think it would be pretty funny if they fought and all they could do was make clumps of glass

But anyways, I don't think Enel could beat the admirals, etc. unless he trains himself some more and experiments with his devil fruit power... If he does though, I bet he could beat most people, even Luffy if they had a rematch.

Should happen yea. Same goes for Croc vrs. Ace. All glass is is superheated sand.

 

[Umbra Wolf]

A small note on the Enel vs. Admirals debate:

Oda said in one SBS (volume 43 or 44 I believe) that Enel's bounty in the normal sea could have been as high as 500.000.That would be the highest bounty to this date.

Yet Oda says in the same sentence that Enel would be not the strongest being in the world of One Piece because there are many on the same level.

 

[Zehahaha]

A small note on the Enel vs. Admirals debate:

Oda said in one SBS (volume 43 or 44 I believe) that Enel's bounty in the normal sea could have been as high as 500.000.That would be the highest bounty to this date.

Yet Oda says in the same sentence that Enel would be not the strongest being in the world of One Piece because there are many on the same level.

What we're saying is Enel is in the same level as the admirals because of their DF power (Magma would pass trough Thunder, Ice too, Light too), I'ver never said that Enel would kick their ass**, but a fight between them would count as a TIE (Except if the admirals have Haki, then it's gonna be their victory since Enel doesn't have exceptionnal physical abilities like Strenght or stamina... And i think that's the case of every single logia user in OP world, not being hit all the time is quite a bad thing for them i guess )

 

[Oblivion]

you'll have to remember he hits with lightning as strong as 300 jilowatt.
Fire and Ice are still only Fire and Ice, very hot maybe and very cold but still 'only' that.

Lets take BB for example: Ace hit him with his fire and yet BB was standing still. Now would BB still be able to stand after being hit by 300 bajillion ultrawatt?

a normal logia user would just let the lightning run through him therefore any logia user vs another is most likely to end in a tie. (Even Ace. vs. Aokiji was a tie, his flames didn't melt aokiji's ice away but their attacks tied)

Enel's logia isn't affected by most other elements and also hasn't any effect on other elements as such. (just like Kizaru's)

So we should say enel is in some ways just like kizaru. Is Kizaru pwnass? yes, so Enel should be too i guess.

Anyway i think we should move this thread into ToK titel'd Enel in comparison to other logia user or whatever.

Will the Strawhat crew all reach their goals on the last island and when they find the one piece at the same place/time (not by seconds but by arc) or will they reach theirs goals one after another and Luffy being the last?