One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

Mihawks was definitely not wearing the same coat when Roger died.
The collar here is totally black and the rest of his coat has a design on it.
The current coat of Mihawks has a a collar with a design on it - different from the one he had when Roger died - and the rest of his coat is entirely black.

I know that oda giving rayleigh a similar coat is no coinsidence it has to represent something.
i wonder how zoro would look wearing that coat but in his own style

 

[Razh]

It does not mean that every best swordsman has to wear the same coat, it only means Rayleigh was the strongest swordman of his time. It's difficult to claim they've a different design on their collar and their outfits does not look alike. Besides, Rayleigh - the Dark King swordman - is the only case with similar outfits to Mihawks. So, I doubt Oda drawn Rayleigh that way in Chapter 0 by a curious coincidence.

I doubt it very much that Oda would do something like that just to indicate that Rayleigh was the world's strongest swordsman at that time. If he wanted to point it out, there could have been other ways. Simpler ways.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I doubt it very much that Oda would do something like that just to indicate that Rayleigh was the world's strongest swordsman at that time. If he wanted to point it out, there could have been other ways. Simpler ways.

Yes but I think that Oda could not reveal it at Shabondy Archipelago : otherwise some interaction between Rayleigh and Zoro would have been necessary knowing that fact : Zoro would have had to learn things from Rayleigh, to benefit from his meeting with him ; and this was not very compatible with the storyline of this arc. And in chapter 0, it'd have been strange to make someone say he's the strongest swordman.

 

[akumapi]

Lots of pirates use swords... Rayligh, Shanks, Law and so on.
We can't assume that he the strongest swordsman was A, B or C. But it sure is a possible...
Rayleigh being the strongest swordsman...

 

[Black Lagoon]

Personally, I think that when someone starts claiming that he's the strongest swordsman, superman, 'stupidman' or whatever, others interested in that Nickname would definitely defy him, so when someone beats him the strongest one is the last winner.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

Personally, I think that when someone starts claiming that he's the strongest swordsman, superman, 'stupidman' or whatever, others interested in that Nickname would definitely defy him, so when someone beats him the strongest one is the last winner.

I think you re right i mean we could apply that to mihaw vs shanks case though shanks isnt much of a competetive character probably mihaw acknowledged him as an equal threath thus sought defeating him .

 

[LegendWoodsman]

Davy Back is in print

Just bought the VIZ volumes of One Piece (they're releasing them 5 volumes at a time) and the Davy Back Arc is labeled Water 7??? This doesn't seem right.

 

[chess4]

oda like to to give us little things like this. i really dont think its a coincidence. why else would shanks and mihawk fight so much. i think shince shanks lost his arm, mihawk may be the better swordsman, but shanks is the better fighter.

i cant wait to get the backstory on mihawk to see if this is true or not.


its always fun going back and forth with everyone.

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[Razh]

I don't think anyone in the history was good enough to be called "World's Strongest Swordsman" before Mihawk.

If Rayleigh was the best swordsman then, how did Mihawk become one if he didn't beat him? Also, in Rayleigh's time, there was Shiki, who was also a swordsman. Course, I don't have any facts, but I think he was stronger then Rayleigh, at least then.

I have a feeling that Roger's crew was mostly laid back like Shanks is. They weren't interested in becoming best or strongest. They sailed around and enjoyed their freedom, probably fought only when they had to.
Mihawk sails around alone, looking for ways to cure his boredom, and probably duels other swordsmen. It probably plays a significant role in him being called the best.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

now its interesting to know the reason why whitebeard didnt become "the king" , i mean he obtained power (his df is the strongest , he has kings haki , his crew is strong) besides being famous although he is not interesed in treasures . now i could only think of the following reasons :
- he couldnt find one piece or simply didnt make more effort to find it .
- he couldnt gain anymore allies.
- he couldnt defeat the other 3 yonko .
- he doesnt have that ability that mihawk spoke of and which luffy has and likely roger too .
- he doesnt have a high sense of adventure .
- he thinks that obtaining the title of pirate king by rivaling roger is more important .than seeking his treasure therfore when roger died he lost interest .
- he is not a D .
and when i say this i mean before ace joined whitbeard pirates

 

[akumapi]

If Rayleigh was the strongest swordsman why would he be nicknamend "dark king"? And not Strongest Swordsman?
I think Razh has a point, in there time there were so many strong swordsman how would you know who was the best?
Also, The Roger pirates could be something like th SH, laid back, going after their objectives in life with there friends, adventures, parties, battles...
Hawkeyes? I think he wanted to take down WB, cause in this arc he tested himself by atacking WB and said something about it, but I don't recall what...
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There are a lot of reasons, but the way WB seems to be, gives me the feeling that after Roger died he just lost interest in all of the PK stuff...
Kind of like Rayleigh who lost his captain, I think WB lost his rival and in a sense friend.
Also, he got old... And with that satarted making diferent choices about his crew and what he wants.
Let me ask this:
Why do you think he want's to be called "Pops/dad" by his own men?
I think there is some kind of deeper meaning to that...

 

[Razh]

We've yet to see a continuation of Whitebeard's flashback, but I'm pretty sure what the core of Whitebeard's motivation was. I think he has pretty much already achieved his dream.
He built a strong family of pirates under him, people who will carry on his will and dream into the next era. He had a crew in which everyone was respected, in which treachery and crimes against fellow pirates weren't tolerated. One big family.
When you look at it like that, and how his system could affect the future, his influence on the pirate future can be compared with Roger's. Especially if he tears the shit out of Marineford before he dies.

 

[Black Lagoon]

now its interesting to know the reason why whitebeard didnt become "the king" , i mean he obtained power (his df is the strongest , he has kings haki , his crew is strong) besides being famous although he is not interesed in treasures . now i could only think of the following reasons :
- he couldnt find one piece or simply didnt make more effort to find it .
- he couldnt gain anymore allies.
- he couldnt defeat the other 3 yonko .
- he doesnt have that ability that mihawk spoke of and which luffy has and likely roger too .
- he doesnt have a high sense of adventure .
- he thinks that obtaining the title of pirate king by rivaling roger is more important .than seeking his treasure therfore when roger died he lost interest .
- he is not a D .
and when i say this i mean before ace joined whitbeard pirates

I'll take only the bold part, correct me if I'm wrong but I think ... hmm ... in chapter 572, there was a flashback of WhiteBeard in the end, I guess it shows us WhiteBeard when he was a rookie, anyway it doesn't matter , the thing is one of the characters in that flashback said something like "Edward Newgate isn't interested in treasure", hence the pirate king title isn't that important for him, and IMO he showed interest in the past just as an excuse to fight Roger.

 

[Razh]

You are as strong as your rivals are. Whitebeard probably never tied in battle again after his fight with Roger. As for other Yonkou, I think he could have beaten any of them. But what would be the point? I'm sure WG aren't the only ones who are concerned about World Balance, and pirates killing each other would help nobody but WG.

 

[deffkryz]

Re: Davy Back is in print

Well, the davy back fight was the introduction to the water 7 arc, wasn't it?

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

Let me ask this:
Why do you think he want's to be called "Pops/dad" by his own men?
I think there is some kind of deeper meaning to that...

i agree that there is a deeper meaning but to answer youre question i think he is too old to get married or maybe he cant give birth .(gosh this is a manga)
but i bielive whitebeared is a wise pirate i mean his words " you cant cross the world without morals" that was absolutly epic ( i thank oda for these words)

 

[sarutobi_sensei]

Also Rayleigh was still using the coat 2 years after Roger's death: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/565.5/22/

I doubt it very much that Oda would do something like that just to indicate that Rayleigh was the world's strongest swordsman at that time. If he wanted to point it out, there could have been other ways. Simpler ways.

Does Oda seem like he does simple things? Well sometimes he does, but most of the times the plot is programmed from way back. Like who'd know that Luffy would meet Jinbei and that he wanted to thank him because of Arlong?

Or that they would meet Brooke after meeting Laboon?

Anyway, people are saying that they don't know why WB didn't want to become the king. Roger was called the king, he never aimed to that title.

WB is the one closest to become the PK but he hasn't. Why? Because he sought after something else. We know that he loves his sons more than anything and he's done great things for them.

What if what he's looking for is to protect young men/women because he wasn't able to protect his own son sometime in the past? That could explain his talk with Squardo about "Do you know what a parent feels when a son dies in front of him".

WB is trying to secure the new generation. That's what I think he sought, the protect them.

Same with Roger. We don't know what OP is but we know that Shanks was on the boat, so was Buggy. We never actually saw any of those being all over OP so I'm thinking that it's not a physical treasure (like many think).

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

Anyway, people are saying that they don't know why WB didn't want to become the king. Roger was called the king, he never aimed to that title.

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according to rayleigh roger enjoyed being called pirate king and since he is the first king in history i suggest there wasnt a title to aim for in the first place

 

[sarutobi_sensei]

Rayleigh said that Roger rejoiced with the title because he loved big flashy things.

hmm, kinda thinking of it now we know why buggy likes to add flashy to everything he aims for xD

 

[deffkryz]

Just a little "DF name guessing" concerning Sengoku's DF while I try to get sleeply over it.

I'm predicting it's name to be mida mida no mi. Why? Well: Apparently Sengoku's transformation end up into a daibutsu-like form which represents Amitabha that is named Amida Nyorai in Japanese - or as 弥陀 (mida) in short.