One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

[Marche]

Does the Shichibukai obey to the government? They don't give a clue. You can hate the WG, be a pirate, and a Shichibukai.

In the truth Moria to TB said than Kuma was the only Shichibukai "really faithful" to WG orders (in fact He saved the SH to TB a SA only because Rufy is Dragon's son).

 

[Black Lagoon]

In the truth Moria to TB said than Kuma was the only Shichibukai "really faithful" to WG orders (in fact He saved the SH to TB a SA only because Rufy is Dragon's son).

Because he's a cyborg, the Marines might have a device ... a mechanism like a remote control that serve to control Kuma, something that when they press a button it would brainwash him.

That's why he's so loyal IMO.

 

[Oblivion]

Because he's a cyborg, the Marines might have a device ... a mechanism like a remote control that serve to control Kuma, something that when they press a button it would brainwash him.

If they'd have such a remote control, they'd have forced him to stay at marineford rather than teleporting to Shabondy and save SH-Crew. Kizaru who was espcially send to take care of SH-Crew didn't knew what Kuma was doing there. If there would be such a remote control, atleast the admirals would be informed about Kuma's whereabout, whereever the Marine send him to.

2) Sentomaru is a Vegapunk's bodyguard, and If Vegapunk is able to defeat Kuma, He has not need of Sentomaru.

Exactly, but well, Kuma might have been defeated by the Marines (e.g.: an Admiral) and was given to Vegapunk to experiment on him.

All in all i think it's too soon to predict just how to the whole Vegapunk-Kuma story went. We need more information on Vegapunk and how Kuma became a Schichibukai from being 'the tyrant' and if Kuma was already part of the RArmy when he was a tyrant or after becoming a Schichibukai. But nontheless nice post@Lord.

 

[Black Lagoon]

If they'd have such a remote control, they'd have forced him to stay at marineford rather than teleporting to Shabondy and save SH-Crew. Kizaru who was espcially send to take care of SH-Crew didn't knew what Kuma was doing there. If there would be such a remote control, atleast the admirals would be informed about Kuma's whereabout, whereever the Marine send him to.

- he was on a trip
- Just accomplished his mission and passed by there ...
- Or did it on purpose, because he won't stay always near Sengoku or Vegapunk.

And the "remote control" only serves their purpose of brainwashing him into blind obedience to the World Government.

this is just an opinion

 

[senewe]

I've got my own theory on Kuma and Vegapunk'stories.

Kuma used to be a well-known pirate that went to the NW, and that the WG made an outlaw - that's why he had a 296 millions bounty. And this old Kuma, nicknamed the " Tyrant ", is not the one we know.
Indeed, Kuma lost his freedom in the NW when he met Vegapunk who beat him and put an end to his journey : that's how he turned to be one of Vegapunk's guinea pigs. To me, Vegapunk is a scientist that captured pirates to make experiments on them.

Then, Kuma became the scientist's first cyborg, the first one that managed to survive the treatment to become cyborg - and that is because of his unique strong body. That is also why all the Pacifistas look like Kuma : actually they are clones of Kuma as only Kuma's body can endure the cyborg treatment.
Vegapunk managed to keep control on Kuma who still had a free mind because his cyborgs - that is to say the Pacifistas - need a fuel to live that he is the only one to produce ; don't forget that Franky can't live without cola.

Later, Vegapunk made an agreement with the WG : in exchange for his knowledge and technology, the WG provides him with all the things he needs to work. In the treaty, Kuma was decided to be turned into a Shichibukai because he used to be the " Tyrant ", a heartless and scary pirate.
That's why Kuma is the only Shichibukai that is the " dog " of the WG - as Oda said it - because he can't live without his fuel. That's how, Kuma the Tyrant, a selfish pirate who only lived for himself, became a slave of the WG. Despite that, Kuma decided to fight the WG : even he had to obey them, he could still do things secretly as he had the right to travel (he is a Shichibukai after all) and had informations about the scientist division. He got in touch with the revolutionary army and became their spy and their friend.

And you guys know the end, a time came when Vegapunk and the WG decided to turn him into a complete Pacifista and erased his memory.

I wanna ask you. when did kuma meet dragon (or RA)??
because judge the way he behave at TB, seemed like he is dragon's close friend (or ally), which make me think That these 2 have been friend (or ally) before kuma became sichibukai.

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ofcourse you wont be able to do so:P especially now with Ace dead..we all have the curiosity to see luffy WB garp and maybe Ace?? so i bet you will read them along with us :P

I realized that indeed read the spoiler can satisfy your curiosity, but there will be less joy when you read the Edited Manga. and I think for next chapter I won't to that. you know I regret reading this chapter's spoiler

and friend, you shouldn't underestimate man's promise

 

[Kanarya]

It may be a little far fetched, but perhaps Vegapunk is the one, who opened the gates for Luffy and the Impel Down-Prisoners.

Why?

Because he noticed that there were many strong fighters on that ship.

Do you remember how Dr. Gero used tiny insect-like robots in order to collect battle-data from Son Goku and his friends in Dragonball?

So maybe Vegapunk does also have such kind of surveilling technology and is collecting data, while some of the strongest pirates of the New World are fighting in Marinford.
Right now he could be analyzing Luffy`s fighting style or Marco`s devil fruit abilities.


Although, as far as I`m concerned, it`s not confirmed where Vegapunk`s laboratory is, it`s highly possible that he is near Mariejoa, where he would always have a secure area to do his scientific researches and easily could supply the Marines with new equipment.

 

[Szaman]

Was it ever stated that Impel Down is the Only prision?

No, in fact that would be stupid. Think about it.
Can you imagine ALL the pirates from ALL the 4 seas being transported all the way to ID? Pirates like the small fish from East Blue for example?

And there is a direct evidence - look at the Croc/Baroque Works cover stories, they end up in some sort of marine prison.
Also, do you remember Logue Town? Smoker had his hands full with pirates and he wasn't killing them - they had to have a prison of some sort there (Logue Town being quite a big town, with quite a big marine garrison).

 

[VashisLeet]

Re: One Piece 557 Discussion/558 Prediction Thread

...are you serious?

You think some BODY HEATED STEAM is strong enough to melt the kind of ice Akoji is capable of laying down? I don't..even..have to...

Just ask yourself this: What is the average temperature of a human body? After that, rethink what you just said.

I'm sure the heat being emitted from his body is hot but I don't think it's that hot.

Also, Gear 2nd is just Luffy pumping blood and nutrients at a faster pace in his body -- which is only possible because of that fact he's rubber. If the rubbery veins can't expand and contract because of the super cold environment..then what?

Lets use science in the manga where Ace got pwnt cause lava can "burn" fire. Science doesn't cut it here.

 

[Black Lagoon]

What if a Logia user who can transform into paper, has a little fight against Ace, what would happen ?

 

[ZZPallando]

What if a Logia user who can transform into paper, has a little fight against Ace, what would happen ?

Can you fight a corpse... ?

 

[goldb]

Wow, some really great theories coming out here today and all could be plausible too. I really dunno what advantages Kuma gets for being a shichibukai other than being a spy for the Revolutionary army, but now that he's become a complete cyborg, he has up knowledge of any of that. So does that mean he's completed whatever mission he was on for the R-A?(If he was indeed on a mission). If so maybe his mission was only known to Dragon and that's why Iva can't understand why he'd be so obedient to the WG. But all this contradicts the fact that he agreed to completing his pacifista project knowing he'd lose his memories.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I don't think so, because:
1) Do Flamingo said that the decision of became a cyborg was made by Kuma, that was his chioce, was not forced. In fact until to SA Kuma had his "will"

We don't know in what circumstances Kuma decided to let Vegapunk turn him into a complete Pacifista. The only thing we know is that he had to make a choice : to refuse or to accept this last operation.
I think that to refuse meant no fuel anymore and thus death whereas to accept meant no liberty/memory anymore but life and maybe some other things : Vegapunk must have find a way to make him chose the second option, likely a deal.

2) Sentomaru is a Vegapunk's bodyguard, and If Vegapunk is able to defeat Kuma, He has not need of Sentomaru.

I expect Vegapunk to be able to beat a pirate with a 296 millions bounty, that is to say a supernova coming to the NW. First, Kuma did not have a cyborg body before and could get hurt easily (as you know, without that body, Zoro would have managed to cut him with his sword). And he may have not had his DF at this time. And even if he had his DF, Vegapunk could have use seastone weapons against him.
Besides, Kuma was less strong years ago (a shining rookie) and Vegapunk probably was/is able to use technology to fight.

When we know who Vegapunk is to the WG, it seems normal that the guy under him, that is to say the captain of the scientist division, is a super strong guy able to fight and also trying to fight instead of him. Even if Vegapunk is strong, the WG wants to prevent him from putting his life in danger.

I wanna ask you. when did kuma meet dragon (or RA)??
because judge the way he behave at TB, seemed like he is dragon's close friend (or ally), which make me think That these 2 have been friend (or ally) before kuma became sichibukai.

I just think that it didn't fit a pirate called the " Tyrant " who probably is heartless and kill people to get friend with the revolutionary army (RA). That's why I thought the one that became the friend and spy of the RA is the new Kuma, not the old one.

What if a Logia user who can transform into paper, has a little fight against Ace, what would happen ?

He would at least lose. Ace is able to burn his paper body, so he can easily kill him. Indeed, one of the first rules known about logia, their element is their body.

 

[LongLiveOnePiece]

What if a Logia user who can transform into paper, has a little fight against Ace, what would happen ?

You are bored right now, aren't you?? haha well i think a big atmospheric pollution would occur..Imagine how much paper would be burned..Infinite we can guess ;P

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

We don't know in what circumstances Kuma decided to let Vegapunk turn him into a complete Pacifista. The only thing we know is that he had to make a choice : to refuse or to accept this last operation.
I think that to refuse meant no fuel anymore and thus death whereas to accept meant no liberty/memory anymore but life and maybe some other things : Vegapunk must have find a way to make him chose the second option, likely a deal.


I expect Vegapunk to be able to beat a pirate with a 296 millions bounty, that is to say a supernova coming to the NW. First, Kuma did not have a cyborg body before and could get hurt easily (as you know, without that body, Zoro would have managed to cut him with his sword). And he may have not had his DF at this time. And even if he had his DF, Vegapunk could have use seastone weapons against him.
Besides, Kuma was less strong years ago (a shining rookie) and Vegapunk probably was/is able to use technology to fight.
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you kinda give a feeling that vegapunk is an evil person i mean i dont see it that way he could ' ve simply been exploited by the WG and forced to surrender his intellect to them and judging from the way kuma spoke of his greatness it seems to me that he is rather innocent .

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Really a great post..you put much thought to it and the result is believable and Oda-like, and possible given the circumstances..
So now why dont you try to predict what OP will be so as to have a general idea till the end of the series

P.S. believe me no sarcasm included, i m rly waiting for a prediction :P

To predict what One Piece is or to predict what will happen in the world of One Piece ? Anyway, I have to say that I can't do both because I'm better in trying to find explanations to things (for example, Kuma being a Pacifista Shichibukai) than predicting things that could happen in the future. It must be that I'm more interested in trying to solve problems.
And a good and interesting prediction tooks time whereas a theory does not (facts are here to help you).

 

[Fox666]

In the truth Moria to TB said than Kuma was the only Shichibukai "really faithful" to WG orders (in fact He saved the SH to TB a SA only because Rufy is Dragon's son).

Not really, he is the only Shichibukai that cares about the government. He is nothing you could call faithfull. And I guess that's just a personality trait.

At Marineford, of the Shichibukai, minus Pacifista Kuma, Mihawk was the one who most fought on WG side. Besides that he is the one that less atend to the meeting.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

Not really, he is the only Shichibukai that cares about the government. He is nothing you could call faithfull. And I guess that's just a personality trait.

At Marineford, of the Shichibukai, minus Pacifista Kuma, Mihawk was the one who most fought on WG side. Besides that he is the one that less atend to the meeting.

mihawk probably is a character who doesnt give a damn about WG his job is to crash dreamers like luffy whom he he considers as potantial threats .

 

[goldb]

except for Kuma I think, every shichibukai seems to have their own agenda; Hancock is there for Luffy, Kuma is obviously there as answer to his shichibukai call, Moria I think is there to collect bodies and Doflamingi is probably there just out of curiosity. He doesn't really seem to have alegience to anyone and just did as he pleased. The only I can't figure out is Mihawk, may he's there so that his status isn't revoked but other than that I really don't know.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Oh, and I can also use paint.

Here is the picture I should have made a long time ago for a one-year-old theory about Yonkou, I think you'll like it

And to those who would wonder, yes I'm serious.

Spoiler

 

[LongLiveOnePiece]

Oh, and I can also use paint.

Here is the picture I should have made a long time ago for a one-year-old theory about Yonkou, I think you'll like it

And to those who would wonder, yes I'm serious.

Spoiler

I have to disagree with you - unfortunately- with your Yonkou prediction..the fist one is OK but about the second..I dont know if she is a woman or not-you may be right at that point- but i dont think its Lola's mother because In my opinion http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/551/12-13/ the woman next to Squardo resembles her most..From the first time i saw her i was like: " thats must be her" although uncomfirmed i know .:P That's all folks