Discussion One Piece - Political?

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I have been thinking about this for a long time and this tweet just made me realize it. One Piece is many things, it's shounen (fights), it's an adventure(pirates out to sea in strange lands), but it ALWAYS has that political twist to almost every story, and that is probably the best appeal of it, the other things are good, but I think the mainline appeal is that deeper political theme. What do you think?


 

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Its political theme is muddle. "Good Kings" are supposed to be good rulers. Riku, Cobra, Neptune are deserving rulers because they are just. But all of them lack machiavellian. The naiveness of these figures cause devastating consequences upon their people. This also including Oden and Sukiyaki.

Good Kings are kinda advocating for authoritarianism if the rulers are good at heart. But at the same same there are some libertarianism in term of freedom/piracy. But even that has a very dark side since pirates are not always good. And lawlessness do have their victims. But the institution of laws are not much better in the world of One Piece. Someone like Saint Donquixote Homing is punished severely for his decision to go against the established inequality, by throwing away his privileges.


On Otohime vs Fisher Tiger.
 

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I mean, everything is political to someone. That's just how life is. I suppose in this case I'd attempt a distinction at OP being "political" with it featuring politics. As in, Oda is definitely not out to promote any specific agenda or ideology. The OP world is just what it is. On the other hand it's very obvious every arc of the manga features politics. That makes some semblance of sense within the specific context of the story.
 

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Yes it has many geopolitical references:

1. 20 founder countries = > G20
2. Gorosei = > UN permanent security council
3. WG flag = > NATO flag
4. Revolutionaries = > Leftist waves
5. Warlord system = > Mercenary army companies (blackwater, wagner, etc.)

But interestingly, there is no democratic nation in OP world
 

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Yes it has many geopolitical references:

1. 20 founder countries = > G20
2. Gorosei = > UN permanent security council
3. WG flag = > NATO flag
4. Revolutionaries = > Leftist waves
5. Warlord system = > Mercenary army companies (blackwater, wagner, etc.)

But interestingly, there is no democratic nation in OP world
The Gorosei and the five permanent members of the UN Security Council
 

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Eh. Calling it a political manga is more than a stretch.

Even if Oda is trying to convey some sort of political message, I believe it's lost on the majority of readers. Case in point being how often any discussion thread converts to a power level discussion so easily. Political books read by book clubs tend to discuss symbolism, satire, and ongoing themes. Even Dracula / Frankenstein yield deep discussions across a wide array of topics.

OP has too many year+ long stretches of pure fighting to generate much political discussion, IMO. Just my opinion though. Maybe someone sees more in it than I do. I just feel like searching for strong political messages in the manga is like trying to find ice in a desert.
 

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I wouldn't put it as they did, but One Piece has indeed always had a political undertones to it, and it's basically grown more prominent as we inch closer to learning the truth about their world. Yeah, Luffy and his gang on their big dumb adventure, punching bad guys and partying it up, but the whole deal with the WG is a major subplot and relevant to the entire world building of the series.

Even if Oda is trying to convey some sort of political message, I believe it's lost on the majority of readers. Case in point being how often any discussion thread converts to a power level discussion so easily. Political books read by book clubs tend to discuss symbolism, satire, and ongoing themes. Even Dracula / Frankenstein yield deep discussions across a wide array of topics.
It's understandable somewhat. Power scaling is quick and easy since it doesn't require much engagement with the text beyond a surface level. There can be plenty to discuss about the various themes of One Piece, political or otherwise, but that's isn't really fun for a lot of people.
 

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But interestingly, there is no democratic nation in OP world
Water 7 is close with a mayoral system. Its possible some of the blue sea islands have democratic structure.
 

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There definetly are some political undertones in almost any sort of entertainment fiction. As long as a story has some sort of message, mission, or "lesson of the week", it has an opinion on how things should be, and as long as it has an opinion, it likely stands somewhere on political spectrum.

Also considering how prevalent entertainment is in our culture, entertainment itself has political value or meaning. It can to great extent define what is seen and what is not in our world.

Entertainment or art also never borns in a vacuum, so it's bound to some extent reflect the views and opinions of its creators or publishers.

So yeah, entertainment has always been political. Sometimes very little, sometimes a lot.

One Piece while not clearly a political series, still conveys some obvious political statements, such as equality of race (fishmen) and critique of inherited influence and power (Tenryobito).

And as said, it clearly has also some references from G20 and UN. But I really don't think WG actually represents those in OP world.
 

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It's understandable somewhat. Power scaling is quick and easy since it doesn't require much engagement with the text beyond a surface level. There can be plenty to discuss about the various themes of One Piece, political or otherwise, but that's isn't really fun for a lot of people.
There's a cultural aspect too, I think. It's apparent on these forums even. Some come from very liberal cultures (Europe), and some come from very conservative cultures (the Middle East). Some users/posters probably have Monarchies in their home countries, and others may have a PM, or a president. Some may live in a sort of dictatorship.

I think it's why of all the "political" discussions, the one that takes off the most is... Yamato's gender! Because we legitimately have people who live in countries that are taught to mind your business about gender and accept people, while others grow up in countries where you may be lynched for being trans, and some that are tolerant but not accepting. So it can incite a lot of weird disagreement with how it was set up by Oda.
 

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Yea, I'd say it (politics) helps the plot move, rather than it (politics again) being a focus or theme or commentary.

I have never thought about One Piece as a political manga. I also don't care for politics that much in general, so I might not be wired to find it. Whereas, I can ship characters in One Piece at the drop of a hat despite the very absence of romantic material. Just as a thought, as some have eluded to, you can see what has meaning to you better than what is actually there.
 

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On Piece has always been political, the entire story is based on how the world government was formed and pretty much enslaved the world because of their thirst for an oligarchy and control of the world. The RA are literally trying to start off a revolution.
The whole story is driven by the WG's propaganda, control of the news, media.
Story might be goofy, but literally the whole point of the story is about defeating the WG and giving the world freedom.
Development of weapons, restrictions... the law.
Once people stop focusing on Haki and Devil fruits and actually read the lore, it has been obviously political from early on in the series.
 

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Might be that this political aspect was always there, but somehow not in the focus. Because now with the Sabo development it takes center stage, this kind of revolution aspect to it.

One Piece is also geopolitical, we have 4 emperors ruling territories, we have marines(military name), and we have marines who can pass calm belts(off-limits territories). We have the red line in control of the WG.
 

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Hmm, the question of the thread is more general than i thought. Politics is a lot of things. Who should govern, what political system is best. What is the best governing. What is moral? Ethical? Who dictate it? What is the best way to achieve something? Who enforce moral? It is more than just a simple Yamato's gender. When you ask what is the deeper political theme. I really like to go back to Otohime and Fisher Tiger. They had some what similar concern, but how do they achieve their objective. And which way is the best? And what is the story structure aka Oda had to say about each of their ways.

When you have geopolitics, if you gonna go something like "4 Emperors ruling territories." What the heck is that meant? What is so deep about it?

But if you said well the 4 Emperors are the lawless part of the world as opposed to the WG. Now that is more interesting. What made those places lawless? Big Mom and Kaido had rules. They had laws and power hierarchy. That is no more moral/amoral compare to the world government. This is very much like said something like an Israel post WW2 or a current Taiwan right now. An entity that is acknowledge or not acknowledge by other countries. Even then though, the WG do acknowledge the Yonko.

And then revolution, is that all good? Alabasta had a revolution. Disorder, overthrowing the established hierarchy isn't necessary great always. The Arab Spring was cheer on by the west. And since then, destablizing and throwing many countries into chaos, making many lives much worst off than before.

To be when you talk about deeper politics, I am thinking about Hody saying nothing was done to him when talking about racial hatred. Or Doflamingo's family being murder for doing what the father think was right. Heck even the parents in Wano trying to kill their children due to not enough food. Who can have kids is political nature (see China's 1 child policy). How resources are distribute is political. Should you have children when the world around you going to shit. Is that moral to bring a life into the world full of suffering. That can too be political.

If you talk about the marine, then if the institution corrupted from the root. How should one enact changes? Work within the system? Outside of the system? Or symbol meant something at the end of the day, and ignore the larger politics and just uphold this image of justice.

"Might be that this political aspect was always there, but somehow not in the focus." Maybe you just didn't think about it. Let's talk Luffy/Ace's fb. When you burn the undesirable people along with the trashes for the appearance of nicer society. That is a political implication. What about this? Should tax dollars go to making the homeless uncomfortable and they just leave an area. Out of sight, out of mind, rather than helping them. That is very much politics.
 

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Might be that this political aspect was always there, but somehow not in the focus. Because now with the Sabo development it takes center stage, this kind of revolution aspect to it.

One Piece is also geopolitical, we have 4 emperors ruling territories, we have marines(military name), and we have marines who can pass calm belts(off-limits territories). We have the red line in control of the WG.
I think it has been pretty blatant, but it has been outshined by what appeals the most to people being fights, DFs, Haki, power-scaling, etc.
For those interested deeply in the lore, it cannot be missed how political one piece is.
Just the fact that there are dictatorships and Luffy's destroying them alone shows that One Piece is political.
The theme of pretty much every arc was Luffy ending tyranny, dictatorship and bringing about freedom and equality to those around him. That is politics.
Luffy's essentially changing governing powers by destroying the evil governing powers along the journey.
The moment there's a pursuit for power, it's automatically political.
It's only now obvious how political OP is because of the political climate now which is pretty much the only thing people talk about day in and day out.
 
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