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[Demonspeed]

There is no reason to believe that Yamato won't join TBH. At least I can't think of one. But that "suspense" isn't thrilling IMO.

 

[Rein Avara]

There is no reason to believe that Yamato won't join TBH. At least I can't think of one. But that "suspense" isn't thrilling IMO.

Well I've seen some shit going around about how she'll literally pull an Oden and go with Luffy's Rival (Kidd) before joining Luffy's crew. Which is just stupid to me, we don't have the time in the story for shenanigans like that

 

[Nie Li]

Well I've seen some shit going around about how she'll literally pull an Oden and go with Luffy's Rival (Kidd) before joining Luffy's crew. Which is just stupid to me, we don't have the time in the story for shenanigans like that

And why would be her reason for doing that, anyway. She's expressed major interest in sailing with Luffy especifically because of Ace.

 

[Demonspeed]

Well I've seen some shit going around about how she'll literally pull an Oden and go with Luffy's Rival (Kidd) before joining Luffy's crew. Which is just stupid to me, we don't have the time in the story for shenanigans like that

Usual delusions you find on internet. Yamato not joining is possible yes, but what kind of events need to occur for that? We already got that Ryokugyu attack, there is nothing stopping her from joining besides Luffy's disagreement (which is also extremely unlikely).

 

[Sr.Enissay]

And why would be her reason for doing that, anyway. She's expressed major interest in sailing with Luffy especifically because of Ace.

Not because of Ace but because of the kid who said similar things to the pirate king. Since she heard about Luffy from Ace, he reminded her of what Oden wrote about Roger. Yamato is like Rayleigh who wanted to meet Luffy after hearing about him from Shanks.
But now Yamato has another reason to follow/join Luffy, not only of his similarities to Roger but also for the fact that he's the Joy Boy.
Even if Ace hadn't mentioned Luffy to her, Yamato and Luffy were destined to meet each other (because of Oden's prophecy). In fact, what Ace did was just spoiling Yamato about the identity of the one who will beat Kaido

 

[Bassaluna]

There is no reason to believe that Yamato won't join TBH. At least I can't think of one. But that "suspense" isn't thrilling IMO.

I agree with you, it would be a twist just for the sake of of it. There has been no build up towards yamato considering staying, her choosing to do it requires an explanation that i doubt he will give

 

[catagon87]

Well I've seen some shit going around about how she'll literally pull an Oden and go with Luffy's Rival (Kidd) before joining Luffy's crew. Which is just stupid to me, we don't have the time in the story for shenanigans like that

Kinda ignores the fact that Whitebeard never had any interest in One Piece, the true history, or finding Laugh Tale. Oden, being drawn to that, obviously would opt for the ship to truly traverse the world. With Luffy, Law and Kidd's goals aligned, it'd be weird for Yamato to pick one who isn't Joyboy.

 

[electricmastro]

There is no reason to believe that Yamato won't join TBH. At least I can't think of one. But that "suspense" isn't thrilling IMO.

Yeah, if Yamato was considering to stay, it would have been made apparent earlier like how Vivi choose to stay in Alabasta.

 

[kkck]

There is no reason to believe that Yamato won't join TBH. At least I can't think of one. But that "suspense" isn't thrilling IMO.

Yeah, at the worst of it yamato should eventually join at least. That said, I do think yamato is actually too big to join the crew right now. Yamato was the only person at onigashima outside of luffy that could hold her ground against a yonko on her own. And this without doing through any BS haki boosts like luffy gets from a walmart bargain bin. She clearly falls short of a yonko but she is still basically a monster. Even aramaki was impressed. Going further, yamato's devil fruit is supposed to be important to wano for whatever reason. It's clearly special and significant. And of course, it's shown it is specially powerful like any other mythical zoan so far. On top of that yamato is of kaido's blood as far as we know. In context this puts yamato in a similar place as luffy or ace who are also kids of comparable monsters. Yamato is a character that pretty much screams "main character" and if this were any other series she'd be a prime candidate for a spin off. It's fairly clear that in terms of potential yamato is pretty much at the top of characters in the story, easily yonko level. Though yamato's path to that might be a tad more conventional than luffy's.

In terms of what this means for the strawhats... Luffy is already basically yonko level. Maybe just short of yonko level considering that kaido's defeat was to a great extent a collaborative effort. Zoro is way on his path there as well given his performance in the arc. As in, he is the only character outside of luffy and yamato that manage yonko level attacks. And he figured out how to do that consistently while fighting king. He seems to still lack the haki to sustain this level of combat for now though. I don't really know what oda is doing with sanji tbh (full disclosure, I hate his story arcs in the new world) but if the intent is for him to keep up with luffy and zoro (which sounds like nonsense considering how underdeveloped his haki is AND he would need CoC cladding as well) then the strawhats would end up with at least 2 straight up yonko level fighters (pirate king and the WSS) along with 2 at least nigh yonko level fighters (sanji and yamato). While this is not the immediate scenario it's still insanely close considering the growth the strawhats get each arc. Imagine zoro already having a hang of yonko level haki output.

Or, imagine what a fight between the strawhats against a yonko and executives would look like right now...

Luffy vs kaido/big mom/shanks/wb/bb
zoro vs marco/king/katakuri/beckham/shiliu
sanji vs smoothie/queen/jozu
yamato vs jack/vista/cracker
jinbe vs perospero/whos whos/
franky vs snack/sasaki/oven
brook vs page one/daifuku
robin vs black maria/compote
nami vs analog
ussop vs analog
chopper vs analog

The exactly hierarchies of the yonko crews are not fully know but the gist is pretty clear here. Zoro already defeated king, katakuri is a punk. Marco and beckham seem higher in the pecking order, I suppose they could even win against current zoro (though not for long if he becomes wss soon). Sanji had a fairly comfortable victory over queen and smoothie should be in the ballpark of queen. Jozu sounds like he could maybe be a hard counter to sanji though. Yamato is a monster, I can't imagine her not having comfortable victories over cracker or jack. I suppose jack has the potential to indefinitely stall anyone who isn't yonko level though. Vista is potentially a match though. Jinbe already comfortably defeated whos whos (not quite foderize though). I feel like perospero might be higher in the pecking order than jinbe but it wouldn't be too one sided at worst. Franky already defeated sasaki who had a roughly 490 mil bounty on his head... I doubt snack or oven could foderize him at least. Brook kinda sucks but so does page one. Robin already defeated BM so she should be able to hold her own against other yonko executives. Nami is in a weird place, with zeus she should manage yonko level attacks... Ussop/chopper kinda suck as executives. I am not sure they could win against anyone who counts as executive currently.

All things considered... the strawhats are insanely OP even by yonko standards.

 

[ScotchAianB]

No break after Chapter 1057.

so c1057 on aug 19
c1058 on aug 26.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Cool hopefully we get updates on BB, Boa, Weevil and Imu reveal and reaction to Joyboy being back. Also Vegapunk reveal and the invention he created to replace Warlords would be cool too.

 

[_goshi]

Cool hopefully we get updates on BB, Boa, Weevil and Imu reveal and reaction to Joyboy being back. Also Vegapunk reveal and the invention he created to replace Warlords would be cool too.

Wake up from your fever dream! Wake up! It's not good for you!

 

[Ero-Sanji]

I've liked Yamato since day one and seen him as much better fit in the SH than Jinbei (who I also like btw), having said that the one thing that made me hesitate in whether he'd join or not as the arc was progressing was that he didn't change. There was a clear lack of character growth which so typical for the SH's before joining (Brooke being the exception). However, as others have pointed out, the Aramaki scene sealed the deal for me. That should have been the point in which Oda gave Yamato a reason to stay. Wano not being able to protect itself.

There's still room for Oda to have Yamato grow out of her Oden phase, especially seeing how we still know next to nothing about his mother and Oni heritage. Just like Robin got fleshed out two arcs later on, Yamato might be central in an arc later on.

I have no umbrage of his power. It's the endgame and the SH's have to be exceptionally strong. What I fear though is how much more Brooke, Nami, Chopper and Ussop will be pushed to the side. While are all guaranteed to have one vs. BB, none of them have had a one v. one since Fishman Island. That's a problem to me.

 

[Demonspeed]

Yeah, at the worst of it yamato should eventually join at least. That said, I do think yamato is actually too big to join the crew right now. Yamato was the only person at onigashima outside of luffy that could hold her ground against a yonko on her own. And this without doing through any BS haki boosts like luffy gets from a walmart bargain bin. She clearly falls short of a yonko but she is still basically a monster. Even aramaki was impressed. Going further, yamato's devil fruit is supposed to be important to wano for whatever reason. It's clearly special and significant. And of course, it's shown it is specially powerful like any other mythical zoan so far. On top of that yamato is of kaido's blood as far as we know. In context this puts yamato in a similar place as luffy or ace who are also kids of comparable monsters. Yamato is a character that pretty much screams "main character" and if this were any other series she'd be a prime candidate for a spin off. It's fairly clear that in terms of potential yamato is pretty much at the top of characters in the story, easily yonko level. Though yamato's path to that might be a tad more conventional than luffy's.

In terms of what this means for the strawhats... Luffy is already basically yonko level. Maybe just short of yonko level considering that kaido's defeat was to a great extent a collaborative effort. Zoro is way on his path there as well given his performance in the arc. As in, he is the only character outside of luffy and yamato that manage yonko level attacks. And he figured out how to do that consistently while fighting king. He seems to still lack the haki to sustain this level of combat for now though. I don't really know what oda is doing with sanji tbh (full disclosure, I hate his story arcs in the new world) but if the intent is for him to keep up with luffy and zoro (which sounds like nonsense considering how underdeveloped his haki is AND he would need CoC cladding as well) then the strawhats would end up with at least 2 straight up yonko level fighters (pirate king and the WSS) along with 2 at least nigh yonko level fighters (sanji and yamato). While this is not the immediate scenario it's still insanely close considering the growth the strawhats get each arc. Imagine zoro already having a hang of yonko level haki output.

Or, imagine what a fight between the strawhats against a yonko and executives would look like right now...

Luffy vs kaido/big mom/shanks/wb/bb
zoro vs marco/king/katakuri/beckham/shiliu
sanji vs smoothie/queen/jozu
yamato vs jack/vista/cracker
jinbe vs perospero/whos whos/
franky vs snack/sasaki/oven
brook vs page one/daifuku
robin vs black maria/compote
nami vs analog
ussop vs analog
chopper vs analog

The exactly hierarchies of the yonko crews are not fully know but the gist is pretty clear here. Zoro already defeated king, katakuri is a punk. Marco and beckham seem higher in the pecking order, I suppose they could even win against current zoro (though not for long if he becomes wss soon). Sanji had a fairly comfortable victory over queen and smoothie should be in the ballpark of queen. Jozu sounds like he could maybe be a hard counter to sanji though. Yamato is a monster, I can't imagine her not having comfortable victories over cracker or jack. I suppose jack has the potential to indefinitely stall anyone who isn't yonko level though. Vista is potentially a match though. Jinbe already comfortably defeated whos whos (not quite foderize though). I feel like perospero might be higher in the pecking order than jinbe but it wouldn't be too one sided at worst. Franky already defeated sasaki who had a roughly 490 mil bounty on his head... I doubt snack or oven could foderize him at least. Brook kinda sucks but so does page one. Robin already defeated BM so she should be able to hold her own against other yonko executives. Nami is in a weird place, with zeus she should manage yonko level attacks... Ussop/chopper kinda suck as executives. I am not sure they could win against anyone who counts as executive currently.

All things considered... the strawhats are insanely OP even by yonko standards.

I don't think the SHs are OP ATM. It's a top heavy crew.

Adding Yamato who has nothing to offer other than her combat ability wouldn't change things much.

 

[Core D. Roy]

Cool hopefully we get updates on BB, Boa, Weevil and Imu reveal and reaction to Joyboy being back. Also Vegapunk reveal and the invention he created to replace Warlords would be cool too.

Weevil is up there with Urouge for characters I have zero idea why they exist in the story, and am completely flummoxed with trying to predict what's going to happen with them.

 

[Sogeking sama]

I don't really know what oda is doing with sanji tbh (full disclosure, I hate his story arcs in the new world) but if the intent is for him to keep up with luffy and zoro (which sounds like nonsense considering how underdeveloped his haki is AND he would need CoC cladding as well)

CoC isn't the only way to became top tier. Look at admiral, Did they even shown any impressive haki feats? Nope. Even garp not yet confirmed to have CoC, althought I doubt about it. I can see garp & maybe akainu have it, but another admirals? They doesn't fit the criteria, same for sanji, his personality doesn't fit to have CoC, did he have strong & great ambition? Nope, he only want to find all blue & even it's not like his death or alive dream, it likes he can thrown away his dream any time.

But like I said, CoC isn't the only way, it's their df that make admiral strong af, and yeah now oda like give sanji many df ability for free. Instant healing, crazy durability, can create blue flame which hotter than magma, super fast, etc. To bad he destroy his raid suit which is a exact copy of shiryu's df.

Luffy still have some room to improve with his g5, same for zoro with enma, idk if oda will give more upgrade to sanji's body but I prefer he focused on his CoO, after look at yasopp & shanks CoO in movie red, it's really crazy. And we know back then oda said CoO is sanji's speciality. Afterall most likely we know he will handle kizaru, the fastest character in the series (?) make him really need great CoO.

Brook kinda sucks but so does page one. Robin already defeated BM so she should be able to hold her own against other yonko executives. Nami is in a weird place, with zeus she should manage yonko level attacks... Ussop/chopper kinda suck as executives. I am not sure they could win against anyone who counts as executive currently.

Actually, robin managed to beat BM only thx to brook. I can't see she can win againt BM by herself. Brook destroy BM's weapon which can create unlimited fire when robin struggle enough with that fire & can only handle it 1x (she destroy the roof, she can only do that 1x, after that there's no roof anymore). Even if somehow she still manage to beat BM, there's no way she can break free from BM's net without brook, make it end up draw.

In another hand brook can easily beat BM, he is her direct counter, we see him easily handle BM's net when sanji can't even destroy that, we see him easily destroy BM's weapon. Too bad oda want to give that spotlight to Robin.

Brook isn't suck.. It's just oda didn't give him enough spotlight in wano, bcs he already bcm mvp in wci, like what oda did to usopp, oda didn't give any spotlight to usopp in wano bcs he already bcm mvp in dressrosa.

Power level alone (ignore the fact that robin is his direct counter), he is relative to franky, higher than robin. It's always brook who protect robin.

Even if we look at shp join patterns we can see brook stronger than franky. Look, except monster trio (who will always became the strongest) the newest crew always strongest.

Yamato > jinbe > brook > franky > robin > chopper > nami (officialy join after shp save her village) > usopp

And with oda always want to make monster trio as the strongest & usopp as the weakest I think shp internal power ranked will always became like that.

For chopper.. He managed to stall BM & queen (ofc they're not going all out) for some time, feats which I can't see nami or usopp doing that. So I think current chopper already can handle page one/daifuku.

Althought for me it's still a big question how oda will boost chopper to make him still stronger than nami & usopp. Last time he only boost his monster point time limit, did his monster point really that strong? Even if he can use it forever without any time limit I don't think it will be enough. Actually he can just simply create bio weapon like queen (it's dumb how queen not use any of his virus to sanji, he not even give poison to his weapons), but it's really not chopper personality.

Franky just can simply improve his tech, he have Vegapunk as role model. This vegapunk guy tech can even turned op world power system.

Brook, there's many mystery about his df, every time he have screen time he just unlock another new ability.

Robin, her df is hax af since the beginning, it's just she didn't use that to it's full potential.

Nami, she have many room to improve with zeus.

And now.. For usopp.
He have yasopp as role model, if u already seen movie red u can easily see there is a very huge room for usopp to improve himself and oda already give what usopp need to became like his father in dressrosa arc.

But in another hand, if usopp really surpassed yasopp sometimes, then how oda will stick to his stament to will always make usopp as the weakest shp? I can see franky create crazy tech, brook unlock many new ability, robin mastered CoA & fully use her df, but nami & chopper?

Zeus alone isn't enough to beat yasopp, let alone if usopp really surpassed yasopp, even current brook can easily handle zeus.

Chopper, like I said before, his monster point is not that strong, even if he can use it without any time limit. Or he will get new transformation? Maybe his df will end up like luffy df? Oda trick us again? Bcs human2 fruit seems stupid from the beginning, what if it's human who eat it? not animal like chopper?

 

[ShadowHeart]

Weevil is up there with Urouge for characters I have zero idea why they exist in the story, and am completely flummoxed with trying to predict what's going to happen with them.

Only thing I can think is joining BB or being killed by him.

 

[ForeverOP]

Unrelated and funny thing just came to my mind. Idk where I read it but I think Oda said Enel will show up again. I have been thinking how in the world this dude on the Moon will come down to Earth. Then it occurred to me that when Fujitora uses his meteor attack (God knows where he brings them. Probably space or pieces of moon. Who knows). Enel can make his grand entrance while riding on it. Imagine that. He and his little machine army. lmao

 

[ShadowHeart]

Unrelated and funny thing just came to my mind. Idk where I read it but I think Oda said Enel will show up again. I have been thinking how in the world this dude on the Moon will come down to Earth. Then it occurred to me that when Fujitora uses his meteor attack (God knows where he brings them. Probably space or pieces of moon. Who knows). Enel can make his grand entrance while riding on it. Imagine that. He and his little machine army. lmao

What If he's Blackbeard Tenth Titanic Captain?

 

[catagon87]

What If he's Blackbeard Tenth Titanic Captain?

Blackbeard would probably kill Enel and steal his ability before he'd let Enel be a Titanic Captain, IMO.

Think it's heavily hinted that Aokiji is probably the 10th.