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[jagajaga]

SHP - Nami - Usop + Law + Kid + Killer = BBP

 

[Shikifanboy]

It would be totally OOC though? Plus Yamato can't swim.

She wants to be oden, so she would volunteer to do it herself but I forgot she can't swim.

 

[Sr.Enissay]

SHP - Nami - Usop + Law + Kid + Killer = BBP

SHP - Nami = a strayed crew. But if Zoro lead them that would be a different story

 

[jagajaga]

SHP - Nami = a strayed crew. But if Zoro lead them that would be a different story

I mean 11 vs 11

 

[Sr.Enissay]

I mean 11 vs 11

Nami is as crucial as Robin. She must at least manage to protect herself. And who knows what she can do alone (after acquiring Zeus) in a fight

 

[Hibari Kyoya]

I think Burgess will get a way-overpowered fruit, possibly even Moria's shadow fruit. Which would instantly skyrocket him up the threat rating.

What about the Kage Kage no Mi is overpowered? I don't think it's strong, plus it has a number of common weaknesses to exploit.

I wouldn't put it anywhere close to the Top 10 Paramecia. Sure it's more useful than Bon Kurei's DF, or Kinemons but not something that's even close to say... Mallegans Poison DF?

 

[Nie Li]

What about the Kage Kage no Mi is overpowered? I don't think it's strong, plus it has a number of common weaknesses to exploit.

I wouldn't put it anywhere close to the Top 10 Paramecia. Sure it's more useful than Bon Kurei's DF, or Kinemons but not something that's even close to say... Mallegans Poison DF?

I'm not a fan of the Kage Kage no Mi, but it may just be that Moria was an incompetent user.

The lance he used to kill Oars Jr was pretty big, meaning he can somehow give his shadow a lot of extra mass, and I guess the fruit can also give you an instant-kill if you manage to cut the opponent's shadow during daytime. However, I don't see that happening in a fight between "YC or above" characters, and it would also requiere them carrying scissors.

The fruit is only truly overpowered if you have a decade of prep-time in the florian triangle. Otherwise is a pretty standard paramecia.

 

[ShanksTheBest]

the ch is boring

 

[Sr.Enissay]

the ch is boring

Is this a hint or a spoiler

 

[Nie Li]

Is this a hint or a spoiler

Looks like an opinion on a hint.

 

[catagon87]

Several strawhats have at least the means to hit with significant AoE. franky has at most a gaon canon from the sunny. Obviously luffy, zoro, sanji and yamato... Luffy could even become as large as san juan wolf. Outside of that you have nami with her weather control potentially hitting that big. SJW seems a tad large for robin tbh.

I mostly feel like it because SJW was basically their ship for a bit, iirc. I think the General Franky armor is pretty powerful, too. I believe the quirk of it was that Wapo Metal can change shape, and SJW changes size, so I’m curious if that’s the match up.

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What about the Kage Kage no Mi is overpowered? I don't think it's strong, plus it has a number of common weaknesses to exploit.

I wouldn't put it anywhere close to the Top 10 Paramecia. Sure it's more useful than Bon Kurei's DF, or Kinemons but not something that's even close to say... Mallegans Poison DF?

The doppleganger, and ability to power yourself up would be nice. I think Moriah was able to switch places with his shadow, too. Definitely don’t think it’s weak but yeah, not super OP. It’s basically a gimp version of the Soru Soru no Mi.

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I'm not a fan of the Kage Kage no Mi, but it may just be that Moria was an incompetent user.

The lance he used to kill Oars Jr was pretty big, meaning he can somehow give his shadow a lot of extra mass, and I guess the fruit can also give you an instant-kill if you manage to cut the opponent's shadow during daytime. However, I don't see that happening in a fight between "YC or above" characters, and it would also requiere them carrying scissors.

The fruit is only truly overpowered if you have a decade of prep-time in the florian triangle. Otherwise is a pretty standard paramecia.

Lot of abilities rely on a strong user. Like Blackbeard has one of the most powerful logia, but it’d be utterly useless if say, Caribou had it. I think Luffy’s ability is similar. Makes him super durable and increases his power a lot, but it’s be crap in anyone else’s hands.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 12, 2022 ---

The Yamata no Orochi is another example of a fruit that is basically an annoyance in Orochi’s hands, but would be terrifying if a competent enemy got it.

Imagine having to kill Kaido eight times…

 

[Nie Li]

Lot of abilities rely on a strong user. Like Blackbeard has one of the most powerful logia, but it’d be utterly useless if say, Caribou had it. I think Luffy’s ability is similar. Makes him super durable and increases his power a lot, but it’s be crap in anyone else’s hands.

Yeah, you're right, but some of them are stronger and/or more useful objectively on the hands of the same average fighter. To me, Kage Kage is one of the less strong as it has been showcased so far (above the likes of Luffy's and Rocinante's, sure, but still low tier). I'm open to be proven wrong if someone actually capable steals it.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 12, 2022, Original Post Date: Aug 12, 2022 ---

The Yamata no Orochi is another example of a fruit that is basically an annoyance in Orochi’s hands, but would be terrifying if a competent enemy got it.

Imagine having to kill Kaido eight times…

I think the Yamata no Orochi is already superior to the Kage Kage in the hands of the same average user.

 

[ShanksTheBest]

 

[catagon87]

Yeah, you're right, but some of them are stronger and/or more useful objectively on the hands of the same average fighter. To me, Kage Kage is one of the less strong as it has been showcased so far (above the likes of Luffy's and Rocinante's, sure, but still low tier). I'm open to be proven wrong if someone actually capable steals it.

Once Law was able to replicate Rosinante’s ability that fruit just became useless in my eyes. I mean I guess it’d be a funny prank to use it on Fujitora. Fujitora: Helen Keller Mode.

The Yamata no Orochi is super nice just for the added durability and extra lives. I’d say the most OP abilities weaklings can get though are:

Sugar’s hobi hobi
The Bari Bari no Mi
Magellans’s poison ability

Sugar’s ability still makes me shudder. No fate worse than being transformed into a slave and forgotten by everyone who ever knew you. Oda must have gone to a dark place to think that up.

 

[Fallou]

The power trio does something
Luffy has three years to live
There are three islands left before Raftel
The three admirals attack
One Piece will be over in three years

 

[shailks]

The power trio does something
Luffy has three years to live
There are three islands left before Raftel
The three admirals attack
One Piece will be over in three years

No!!!!! I hope this is fake.

 

[Nie Li]

The power trio does something
Luffy has three years to live
There are three islands left before Raftel
The three admirals attack
One Piece will be over in three years

Three islands in three years.

 

[Rigel]

The power trio does something
Luffy has three years to live
There are three islands left before Raftel
The three admirals attack
One Piece will be over in three years

So little time and the rest of the SHs had almost no development in their skills because Oda wasted time on useless things.

Still waiting for a Logia to appear on Nami's tangerines. Or Big Mom's Soru Soru no Mi, although the Yonkous are unlikely to have died.

 

[McNuss]

How is the Kage Kage no Mi a low Tier Fruit?

1. You can steal people's shadows, causing instant death to the victims when they are exposed to sunlight.
2. You can put these into organic matter, essentially creating a Zombie
3. Or you put these into yourself, strenghtening you. Or put them into others, strenghtening them.
4. You can manipulate your own shadow, or the stolen shadows, enlarge it to dramatic sizes, make it sharp, split it up, create a clone of yourself, switch positions with it...

Moria has never even been said to be awakened, but could very well be retconned to always have been, because what the fruit can do is quite a damn lot. Point 4 alone would be the standard Paramecia package. 100 shadows turned Luffy into his strongest Pre-Skip form. Any Admiral/Yonko class fighter should be undefeatable using just a few.

All in all, I honestly think this is the among the strongest Paramecia introduced. Big Mom's is the only real contender, and very similar.

 

[Nie Li]

How is the Kage Kage no Mi a low Tier Fruit?

1. You can steal people's shadows, causing instant death to the victims when they are exposed to sunlight.
2. You can put these into organic matter, essentially creating a Zombie
3. Or you put these into yourself, strenghtening you. Or put them into others, strenghtening them.
4. You can manipulate your own shadow, or the stolen shadows, enlarge it to dramatic sizes, make it sharp, split it up, create a clone of yourself, switch positions with it...

Moria has never even been said to be awakened, but could very well be retconned to always have been, because what the fruit can do is quite a damn lot. Point 4 alone would be the standard Paramecia package. 100 shadows turned Luffy into his strongest Pre-Skip form. Any Admiral/Yonko class fighter should be undefeatable using just a few.

All in all, I honestly think this is the among the strongest Paramecia introduced. Big Mom's is the only real contender, and very similar.

Yes, he can do that... with a decade of very complex prep time.

If the owner of the shadow dies, the shadow disappears, so unless he's doing his business in the Florian Triangle it's pretty much impossible for the user to build an army or power up with 100 shadows. Even gathering 10 would be an ordeal for a standard user. He needs to keep the owner of the shadows alive, fed, and out of complete sunlight.

Moria, without the very specific setting of Thriller Bark, would have been by far the weakest final boss the Straw Hats faced on the Grand Line (except for Foxy). Without that setting, he only gets the possibility of the instant kill (which is easily prevented by anyone who knows what his fruit can do and has his guard up against Moria going for the shadow) and the manipulating his own shadow, which is useful and can be strong with a stronger DF user, but is low tier compared to other fruits.

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Also, speaking of highest potential, the strongest Paramecia is still Law's. Though that one does requiere the user to be very skillful and wouldn't be that strong with an average user.