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#1188 Unconfirmed Spoilers​

Gunko is finally freed and is now out of ice, still unconscious.

Imu uses new a new attack, which is pretty much like Daifuku’s Genie powers.

To be honest to be a Genie like power.. this was quite lame... yeah he was strong..yeah he could slice things like if they were butter..yeah he fight 4 ya... but that' s it!?..,no genie warp reality powers? like grant you small wishes..or advantages ? temporary powers?
 

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We barely saw the capabilities of daifuku's genie so... I am not sure of what the issue is. It's seems to pack a decent punch though it has the significant drawback that it requires daifuku to keep rubbing his belly (I wonder if awakening would remove this drawback or otherwise "free" the genie). Imu summoning an evil genie sounds rather scary, specially if it has power that scales to imu and it has more freedom than daifuku's.
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Another, random thought, what if what we are seeing is imu's awakened form? Naturally he started out as a human and got this form when he consumed the devil's fruit. But that may mean he has a normal human form.
 

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Another, random thought, what if what we are seeing is imu's awakened form? Naturally he started out as a human and got this form when he consumed the devil's fruit. But that may mean he has a normal human form.
I hope to god it's the blob
 

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We barely saw the capabilities of daifuku's genie so... I am not sure of what the issue is. It's seems to pack a decent punch though it has the significant drawback that it requires daifuku to keep rubbing his belly (I wonder if awakening would remove this drawback or otherwise "free" the genie). Imu summoning an evil genie sounds rather scary, specially if it has power that scales to imu and it has more freedom than daifuku's.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

Another, random thought, what if what we are seeing is imu's awakened form? Naturally he started out as a human and got this form when he consumed the devil's fruit. But that may mean he has a normal human form.
What if Oda takes the "Magi" approach ? 🤔 And Imu being himself the king of abyss will summon any of the 72 demons - we saw Nemesis, Stigma, Tzechtcahtl -Now we will se many more
 

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What if Oda takes the "Magi" approach ? 🤔 And Imu being himself the king of abyss will summon any of the 72 demons - we saw Nemesis, Stigma, Tzechtcahtl -Now we will se many more
In other words, the Lesser Key of Solomon approach. Yeah, this is why Imu having the grimoire is important.
The sigils, the grimiore, it all points to the Ars Goetia being a part inspiration.
That said, Imu's mister worldwide with the gods he's summoning.
And I mean, Stigma isnt a devil. Stigma refers to the marks that correspond to Christ's crucifixion. So, in this case, Loki got "marked." That's probably why it's called Stigma.
Most other manga use "Stigma" or Stigmata as a power when it involves marking someone.
 

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It seems like we are on break next week and that's fine. We're about to get third chapter in row after all and Oda need rest.
 

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Hmm, I wonder if Gurou is alive and a knight of god. Knights seem to age unlike the gorosei with the exception of gunko however at god valley I think we only saw 7 out of 8 knights and we have yet to see all presently active knights (so far it's sommers, shamrock, gunko and killingham). With the sheer amount of pain the world government has inflicted on brook (destroying Esperia, Leuven and perhaps most significant what Gurou did to Candelle...) it'd almost be unfair if brook doesn't get to have a modicum of justice. It's all too deep and personal.
 

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In other words, the Lesser Key of Solomon approach. Yeah, this is why Imu having the grimoire is important.
The sigils, the grimiore, it all points to the Ars Goetia being a part inspiration.
That said, Imu's mister worldwide with the gods he's summoning.
And I mean, Stigma isnt a devil. Stigma refers to the marks that correspond to Christ's crucifixion. So, in this case, Loki got "marked." That's probably why it's called Stigma.
Most other manga use "Stigma" or Stigmata as a power when it involves marking someone.
Yeah - i just put bc it's all the powers we know until now - apart from Omen that is the devil military power itself - so - i think the Grimorie is just part of his Akuma no Mi powers - not that he has the power bc of it - He will probably have the most powers in all the serie - a OFA/AFO approacht to !
 

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I love Gear 5. I love that Oda contrasted that general Shonen troupe of serious, angry, rage induced Power Up.

Yet I miss those moments when Luffy was unforgivingly serious, be it when he stood before the Admirals or when he saw Usopps beat up body. Since the enemies going forward will require Gear 5, the tension will break once he transforms.
he still has plenty of Deadly Serious, Vajrang Gun was not a joke. It's just that the scale of everything has been pushed up to it's highest level. this is the same character that became Water Luffy, or used Gum Gum Fishnet. idk why people want everything to be like the Lucci fight, I find that one to be the least entertaining out of all the big bads, specifically because there is zero fun in it.
 

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She wont be free EVER.. she have Mark of the beast tier 2000+ probably considering how close she is to him... unless they found a way to sever or erase the pact , there s no way back.. he can take her anywhere, anyplace, anytime, and even if you manage to do it..you cut her off from regen, and she l probably age up to 77
Chopper slaps her and she is free from Imu's control.
 

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he still has plenty of Deadly Serious, Vajrang Gun was not a joke. It's just that the scale of everything has been pushed up to it's highest level. this is the same character that became Water Luffy, or used Gum Gum Fishnet. idk why people want everything to be like the Lucci fight, I find that one to be the least entertaining out of all the big bads, specifically because there is zero fun in it.
Unfortunately.. she is almost the new Babylon, in the book of Revelation
 

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he still has plenty of Deadly Serious, Vajrang Gun was not a joke. It's just that the scale of everything has been pushed up to it's highest level. this is the same character that became Water Luffy, or used Gum Gum Fishnet. idk why people want everything to be like the Lucci fight, I find that one to be the least entertaining out of all the big bads, specifically because there is zero fun in it.
and the STAR PUNCH ,, that one is pretty serious too. it is soo fast, not even Kizaru was capable to dodge it.
 

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The coven-contract with IMU must have exit clauses that IMU didn't explain, think small print on contracts, I believe there must be a loophole or something on the small print that will allow Gunko to go free.
 

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Yeah - i just put bc it's all the powers we know until now - apart from Omen that is the devil military power itself - so - i think the Grimorie is just part of his Akuma no Mi powers - not that he has the power bc of it - He will probably have the most powers in all the serie - a OFA/AFO approacht to !
Okay, I gotcha. I agree with you that the grimoire is part of the whole package. It would make sense for him to have the most varried powers I think.
But its nice that he has all that power but cant survive the lower world for too long.
 

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The coven-contract with IMU must have exit clauses that IMU didn't explain, think small print on contracts, I believe there must be a loophole or something on the small print that will allow Gunko to go free.
Ha, mayby to get out of his contract person need to know his real name or get a "true loves kiss". But jokes aside.

Yeah, basicaly there's no such thing like contract that can't be ended. In real life contracts need to serve both sides. For example job contracts guarantee that worker will get fair payment in exchange for their work and if not they can terminate the contract to go work for better boss. But in Imus case it seems like his contracts are almost always started deceitfully. He promises power and other benefits but in exchange he take basicaly everything his victim have: freedom, conscience and most importantly LIFE. Often like in Haralds case Imu dosen't even give what he promised in the first place. He told Harald that once he become Holy Knight Elbaf will be able to freely cooperate with other countries as part of WG but instead once that happened Imu wanted to turn Elbaf into his "vault" full of military slaves. Harald "ended his contract early" by dying but since every contract have clause that can end it early if one of sides is no longer satisfied with its benefits Imus contact have to be the same. Usually IMU is the one to "end employment" early by killing subordinate he's unhappy with just like he did with Saturn BUT even his power need to have some yet undiscovered loophole.
 

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The coven-contract with IMU must have exit clauses that IMU didn't explain, think small print on contracts, I believe there must be a loophole or something on the small print that will allow Gunko to go free.
Can Chopper slap the contract out of her like he did for the giants? He might be the negator if a loophole doesnt exist. Otherwise, maybe Brook can Soul King his way to a solution?
Ha, mayby to get out of his contract person need to know his real name or get a "true loves kiss". But jokes aside.

Yeah, basicaly there's no such thing like contract that can't be ended. In real life contracts need to serve both sides. For example job contracts guarantee that worker will get fair payment in exchange for their work and if not they can terminate the contract to go work for better boss. But in Imus case it seems like his contracts are almost always started deceitfully. He promises power and other benefits but in exchange he take basicaly everything his victim have: freedom, conscience and most importantly LIFE. Often like in Haralds case Imu dosen't even give what he promised in the first place. He told Harald that once he become Holy Knight Elbaf will be able to freely cooperate with other countries as part of WG but instead once that happened Imu wanted to turn Elbaf into his "vault" full of military slaves. Harald "ended his contract early" by dying but since every contract have clause that can end it early if one of sides is no longer satisfied with its benefits Imus contact have to be the same. Usually IMU is the one to "end employment" early by killing subordinate he's unhappy with just like he did with Saturn BUT even his power need to have some yet undiscovered loophole.
I think one of the interesting things is that he can force it on you based on your subconscious desires, which is diabolical. With Luffy and Loki, there was no deceit. It was flatly, I'll give you power in exchange for your life (I think) so kill each other. It was actually wild. The only way you're surviving that direct contract is to be pure of heart and not seek militray power.
 

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Luffy Gear 5 always look fun and laugh most of the time but the damage isnt quite funny, ask Lucci while coughing blood with that funny boing boing punch from Gear 5.
 

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I think one of the interesting things is that he can force it on you based on your subconscious desires, which is diabolical. With Luffy and Loki, there was no deceit. It was flatly, I'll give you power in exchange for your life (I think) so kill each other. It was actually wild. The only way you're surviving that direct contract is to be pure of heart and not seek militray power.
Nice theory. To push it forward, I think he can take control of those "guilty" with any of 7 capitals sins. That would make sense considering his devil zoan theme.

Please note that we have seen similar DF powers constrained by the target "heart"
  • Boa Hancock gorgone power and the target’s desire
  • Big Mom soul stealing and the target’s fear
 

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What!? :gwah
 
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