Question Original Hidden Floor Urek vs current Yama or Kallavan.

[Ray Barracuda]

Where could one realistically scale this version of Urek comfortably speaking.

And how high do we scale the Revolution Guardian since Urek was already much greater than him at that point too.

Regent tier or High Ranker tier.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

I think Urek was very close to what he is now. He would clear anyone bar Zahard and perhaps some FHs, but I wouldn't be surprised If he could beat any FH in 1x1 at that point.

About the god of guardians... I have no idea. He could be anywhere between Urek and an average high ranker.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

I think Urek was very close to what he is now. He would clear anyone bar Zahard and perhaps some FHs, but I wouldn't be surprised If he could beat any FH in 1x1 at that point.

About the god of guardians... I have no idea. He could be anything between Urek and a high ranker.

Nah, i think it's unlikely.


The whole floor would have gotten destroyed entirely if Urek entered with power anywhere near close to the shinsoo pressure of a FH.


That mirror wouldn't even have the chance to improperly scan him as it would get destroyed trying to handle that level of shinsoo.


Adult Data Zahard estimated to be on the same level as full power Dumas was already shaking things quite a bit when he entered that floor so most definitely he wasn't close to his current version at all.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Nah, i think it's unlikely.


The whole floor would have gotten destroyed entirely if Urek entered with power anywhere near close to the shinsoo pressure of a FH.


That mirror wouldn't even have the chance to improperly scan him as it would get destroyed trying to handle that level of shinsoo.


Adult Data Zahard estimated to be on the same level as full power Dumas was already shaking things quite a bit when he entered that floor so most definitely he wasn't close to his current version at all.

You need to reread a lot of things, bro. Data Zahard was never estimated by Baam to be on the same level as Dumas.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

You need to reread a lot of things, bro. Data Zahard was never estimated by Baam to be on the same level as Dumas.

He was actually, the adult version at least.


He estimated both 10% FOD Urek, Full power Dumas and Adult Data Zahard to be in the same tier.

 

[Demonspeed]

Adult Data Zahard is absolutely not at the same level as Dumas. What Baam felt was some kind of power similar to Irregular. Which is big because such thing has never been said about Towerborns before. It's more about the type of power it felt. Data Zahard and Eduan were Ranker tiers.

Even the current Baam has enough firepower to threaten Dumas, Adult Zahard would win with ease.

Anyway, Urek wins. He came chasing Phanta and had his powers even as a kid. He would probably lose to any of the FH though.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Adult Data Zahard is absolutely not at the same level as Dumas. What Baam felt was some kind of power similar to Irregular. Which is big because such thing has never been said about Towerborns before. It's more about the type of power it felt. Data Zahard and Eduan were Ranker tiers.

Even the current Baam has enough firepower to threaten Dumas, Adult Zahard would win with ease.

Anyway, Urek wins. He came chasing Phanta and had his powers even as a kid. He would probably lose to any of the FH though.

It was kind of done before when Baam compared the God of Guardians presence to Urek's feeling

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

It was kind of done before when Baam compared the God of Guardians presence to Urek's feeling

Isn't feeling the presence and the power different?

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Isn't feeling the presence and the power different?

Baam never compared the power but the quality of the power. Very similar.

Actually, I lie, It is different. Baam compared the weapon that Dumas had, while in GoG case, he compared GoG as a whole to Urek's.

In both cases, Baam wasn't comparing them through quantity of power, but just like the feeling he got from the Rosario and GoG.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Baam never compared the power but the quality of the power. Very similar.

Actually, I lie, It is different. Baam compared the weapon that Dumas had, while in GoG case, he compared GoG as a whole to Urek's.

In both cases, Baam wasn't comparing them through quantity of power, but just like the feeling he got from the Rosario and GoG.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

You are a fun guy. You not only cut off the picture before the key piece of Baam's thoughts, but you also used the worst TL avaliable. Truly amazing.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

You are a fun guy. You not only cut off the picture before the key piece of Baam's thoughts, but you also used the worst TL avaliable. Truly amazing.

I think U didn't read the chapter correctly, these are Night's thoughts. The thing Ur talking about that Rosario reminded Night of UM/Virtual King's power was said by narrator in early panels. This one is down the last panels. It wasn't presented in the monologue/inner thoughts like this one. Also, what's wrong with using webtoon TL? I for one, have always been using webtoon TL and only use fan TL unless they aren't translated by webtoon.

 

[Demonspeed]

It was kind of done before when Baam compared the God of Guardians presence to Urek's feeling

True but Thor is an artificial being.

 

[arrowofsky]

I think U didn't read the chapter correctly, these are Night's thoughts. The thing Ur talking about that Rosario reminded Night of UM/Virtual King's power was said by narrator in early panels. This one is down the last panels. It wasn't presented in the monologue/inner thoughts like this one. Also, what's wrong with using webtoon TL? I for one, have always been using webtoon TL and only use fan TL unless they aren't translated by webtoon.

Well, "Virtual Jahad" was enough for me today.

 

[undefined]

Where could one realistically scale this version of Urek comfortably speaking.

And how high do we scale the Revolution Guardian since Urek was already much greater than him at that point too.

Regent tier or High Ranker tier.

Didn’t SIU say that fug couldn’t mess with Urek like they did with baam? Urek might have been as strong as current Yama and kallavan when he just came in the tower. The fact that the hidden floor couldn’t copy Urek but could copy the fragment of Jahad which is around Dumas’ level. Based of that Urek is at least on the higher end of regent tier. Imo he was around luslec’s level on the hidden floor. It would make sense too because we know that luslec and Urek met once already. So what probably happened is, fug sent out some rankers and advanced rankers at Urek in like floors 2-8 and they failed miserably. So then they sent high rankers, failed again. Eventually luslec showed up to confront him. So maybe this occurred around the time frame when Urek entered the hidden floor.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I've seen people say that Dumas is on the same level as Data Adult Zahard, but I don't think this is a correct interpretation of the dialogue whatsoever.

Unlike Dumas' power, it is made clear that Baam doesn't have an accurate perception/gauge of Data Adult Zahard or the fraction of Urek's power he has seen. To him, the power he has seen from these two remains as incomprehensible in his mind. Dumas' power can be comprehended and resonates with him more because of that.

The previous dialogue outright states that Dumas doesn't compare to Data Zahard (and by extension probably to 10% FoD Urek as well, since both strengths are deemed as something he can't grasp). The most you could say here is that maybe the Rosario Ignition compares/comes close, but again, it should be taken with a grain of salt as Baam cannot gauge those guys properly and doesn't know what they can do. Needless to say, just because Rosario alone might compare, it doesn't mean that Dumas overall does so.

As for the scaling regarding Hidden Floor Urek, he should likely scale above Data Adult Zahard, since his power couldn't be copied properly and Data Zahard's could. HF Urek >/>> Data Adult Zahard >> Dumas (overall) > Current Yama > Boosted Kallavan would be my guess.

As for the Revolution Guardian, absolutely no idea. I don't think there's any metric we could use to feasibly scale him.

 

[Lonatian]

As for the scaling regarding Hidden Floor Urek, he should likely scale above Data Adult Zahard, since his power couldn't be copied properly and Data Zahard's could.

The way Adult Zahard into HF had nothing to do with copying. It wasn't like Urek's Sworn Enemy. It was only a tiny fraction of real Zahard's power, but it was already incredibly powerful.
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[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Stronger than regents , weaker than FHs.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Stronger than regents , weaker than FHs.

Fairest placement.