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[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Not necessary. There are seinen with furigana as well. Older ones too (e.g. Futari Ecchi which started in 1997). It's a main indicator but not a 100% one :/

The other way around (furigana-less shounen) is probably right. At least, I can't think spontaneous on any shounen with straight kanji and it would be a little unlucky for the target audience regarding their reading ability. I wouldn't rule it out that a mature shounen would be printed without or with very limited furigana, though. Maybe Finestela knows a little better about this topic, I rarely check out raws.


There's no mystery (and I don't get why it's a debate anyways). Nana is published in Cookie which is a shoujo magazine in any way you look at it - but first and foremost because it's officially labeled as such.

There are a few good examples of the "furigana test" not working. Champion Red, whatever demographic they call themselves, has very mature content but retain furigana. Steel Ball Run is in Ultra Jump, most definitely seinen, but also still has furigana.

It's nice seeing some one else call Nana a shojo. Content isn't always a good indication of demographic. Shojo with mature content is quite common.

 

[Finestela]

Yeah, Furigana test is a bit useless in a lot of cases... I mean the Degeki mags don't have furigana while Dragon Age does for their kanji, but there are some series I would NOT consider shounen in Dragon Age by any standard, while quite a few in Degeki series are pretty generic and friendly stuff

The "only" old-fashion publisher I see these days is Hakusensha, where their Shoujo/Josei/Seinen magazine are fairly clear in terms of demographics. (Well... Melody might be an exception, with blurred line between Shoujo and Josei)

And what about Yuri-hime and Comic Hi?

 

[Imitorar]

Steel Ball Run doesn't count, it's just JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 7, and JoJo is/was shonen. But Araki wanted a lighter workload, so he decided to switch to a monthly magazine. And because JoJo is too gory to be shonen by modern standards (it started in 1987), Shueisha put him in Ultra Jump instead of Monthly Jump. But the content in Steel Ball Run isn't much gorier than the content in any other Part of JoJo, so I guess that Araki hasn't changed his method at all, including his inclusion of furigana. Steel Ball Run is a shonen in a seinen magazine, basically.

 

[Finestela]

And Ninku and Bastard? Bastard had always been a bit more on the sexy side, but Ninku should still fit in the current shounen genre just fine

Yet, they're both in UJ right now

 

[Imitorar]

Yeah, a lot of the big 80's and 90's Jump manga-ka seem to have series' going in seinen magazines, usually spin-offs of their popular Golden Age series. There's Ninku 2, Kinnikuman Nisei (okay, so it's in a porn magazine), Fist of the Blue Sky, Saint Seiya Next Dimension (which I think is in Shonen Champion, so that sort of defeats my point), Captain Tsubasa's sequels, Sakigake!! Otokojuku - Seishun yo, Taishi no Dake, etc. I guess that they're trying to target men in their 20's and 30's, because they're the ones who read the original series' as kids, and would therefore be interested in sequels. So they make them seinen more as a way of attracting readers than because of the content, I guess.

 

[Finestela]

It just feels like nowadays, the "Shonen" genre is waaaay too conservative, especially for the big three. I mean people are actually complaining ToLoveRu being too ecchi, when we had DNA2 and Shadow Lady back in the days... Or that Inumaru exposes too much body parts, when PonPon-zaka Drama Club, ****** Kamen, and various Tokuhiro Masaya gags/comedy were the main stuff on WSJ.

Those were the days long gone now... sigh...

 

[eni]

DNA² I really loved that one.

Bastard!! ... still one of my favorites.

Though, technically, if it runs in a seinen mag, it's a seinen. Even if the main series was/is shounen. As soon as it (or parts) get moved to a seinen mag, it's to be considered as such. Bastard is a good example for a shounen that was moved to seinen and the JoJo spin-off/arc is an example on a mixed demographic series :3

 

[Kaiten]

I guess that they're trying to target men in their 20's and 30's, because they're the ones who read the original series' as kids, and would therefore be interested in sequels. So they make them seinen more as a way of attracting readers than because of the content, I guess.

Usually when you see an older series from a shonen magazine to a seinen (JoJo's and Captain Tsubasa for example), it's because their not gaining new readers but still maintain enough of their old audience. In Steel Ball Run and Beshari Gurashi's case I have a feeling that Shueisha knew they were destined for Ultra and Young Jump, but due to how famous the mangaka were previewed them in Weekly Jump.

 

[Imitorar]

Usually when you see an older series from a shonen magazine to a seinen (JoJo's and Captain Tsubasa for example), it's because their not gaining new readers but still maintain enough of their old audience. In Steel Ball Run and Beshari Gurashi's case I have a feeling that Shueisha knew they were destined for Ultra and Young Jump, but due to how famous the mangaka were previewed them in Weekly Jump.

That would make sense. I've always been bothered by the fact that Steel Ball Run's numbering is off, with four volumes being weekly chapters and the rest being monthly chapters. I wish they'd just have put it in Ultra Jump as soon as Stone Ocean ended, so that things would be neater, but if they were trying to showcase it to the Jump audience, that would make sense.

 

[Finestela]

It was also due to the fact that, early on, Steel Ball Run was meant to be a clean slate... It wasn't until after the move, that it's labeled as part of the JoJo series.

 

[Imitorar]

Yeah, I've always wondered about that. If he didn't intend for it to be Part 7, then why did he reuse the concept of Stands, and THE SAME CHARACTERS. I mean, how was he supposed to make a break from JoJo if his main supporting character's surname was "Joestar"? Though I heard someone on the JoJo forum say that when Steel Ball Run started, Araki had announced that he had plans for Part 7, and people weren't sure if Steel Ball Run was Part 7 or if he'd have Steel Ball Run and Part 7 go on at the same time. I guess it turned out that Steel Ball Run was Part 7, but he didn't delineate until volume 5 for some reason. Or maybe he did just retcon it because it WAS Part 7, whether he meant it to be or not.

 

[kewl0210]

Here's something interesting for whoever.

http://www.s-cast.net/

If you haven't seen that before, they show vomics, voice comics of lots of mangas. They have 4 parts for each one they've done. There are a lot I haven't heard of, but they did Toriko, Inumaru Dash, and Naruto. And they're doing a Bakuman one next month.

 

[Bomber D Rufi]

Here's something interesting for whoever.

http://www.s-cast.net/

If you haven't seen that before, they show vomics, voice comics of lots of mangas. They have 4 parts for each one they've done. There are a lot I haven't heard of, but they did Toriko, Inumaru Dash, and Naruto. And they're doing a Bakuman one next month.

Wow! This is actually a pretty good idea! That way we can hear voices and music for manga that aren't animated yet. I'd like to see Sket and BB soon....and since they're doing Naruto, it would be cool to hear some of the recent Gintama and One piece.

Nice find kewl.

 

[Weapon_X]

*Sniff sniff* I just finished Black Cat a week ago and I want more of Train Heartnet! ARGH! I hope Kentaro makes a part 2 of Black Cat. It was such a amazing manga, man can't believe it's finished and left it there. There are quiet a few things which need to be answered actually..hmm. He needs to return to make it again.

 

[Masochistic Otaku]

Hi ^^ I just joined. So is this like a Chat thread?

 

[Kaiten]

Think of it as the miscellaneous anime or manga thread. Things that might not fit into chapter/episode discussions.

 

[Masochistic Otaku]

Ah... Like... Shoujo-Ai ^^ there is no discussion thread for it T.T hm... Anyone here like Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni? Or Yuri?

 

[eni]

Feel free to create a discussion thread for it. Just because there's none, doesn't mean that there can't be one

 

[Masochistic Otaku]

Hm... Good point ^^ I'll go do that now ^^

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Just hit me but we don't have a Young Jump discussion thread do we?

I enjoy a lot that goes on there so it's to bad...