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well, like my elders say, all relationships are works in progress...

but i guess even if relationships ended, and you learned something from it, or matured greatly because of it (in which case, you benefited), then I guess you could call that successful.

pwera nalang kung, toxic talaga na relationship, wherein you lose cash, or properties... (how sad).
 

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Done with 20th Century Boys Vol. 12

Not surprise about Fukubei revealed as Friend, because someone spoiled me :oh
 

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kaso vol 12 ka pa lang. you really think it's over? :teehee
 

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Hey UP girl, heard about that scholar who committed suicide because she can't afford to pay the bills?

And that's the punchline right there. Not your usual kind of punch in the gut line eh?
 

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that's just sad..
 

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what's even sadder is the media is making it their circus' main attraction. even called the president to hear what's his take on the issue.
 

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kaso vol 12 ka pa lang. you really think it's over? :teehee
aware ako na medyo mahaba pa, meron pa ngang 21st century boys eh, 2 volumes.
tapos ko na hanggang volume 14

---------- Post added at 08:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:58 PM ----------

A suicide note was found in the pocket of Kristel Tejada’s pants. The words, written in red, were expressions of love for her family.

She also sought her parents forgiveness because she ended her life.

“Mahal na mahal ko ang pamilya ko. At lahat din ng iba pang nagmamahal sa akin. Di ko lang talaga rin kinaya. Sana mapatawad at ipagdasal niyo ko. Salamat sa lahat magkikita pa ulit tayo. Sorry pero kailangan ko lang talagang gawin to (I love my family very much, and all those who love me. I just could not take it anymore. I hope that they will forgive me and pray for me. Thank you for everything and we will see each other again. Sorry but I really need to do this).”

“Tandaan (Remember) : Without true love, we’re nothing,” she said in her letter.

Kristel’s mother, Blesilda, 38, said she would keep her daughter’s suicide letter.

Kristel Tejada drank silver cleaner at their home in Tondo around 3 a.m. last Friday.

She was rushed to the Metropolitan Medical Center but emergency teams failed to revive her.

Source: http://diversityhuman.com/hollywood/index.php/2013/03/18/kristel-tejada-suicide-note
 
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Hey UP girl, heard about that scholar who committed suicide because she can't afford to pay the bills?

And that's the punchline right there. Not your usual kind of punch in the gut line eh?
Okay, first I thought it was an unintelligent way to go about things.

no matter how dire the situation, one should not just choke up and die. I had friends who were in similar situations, got in the shits, but managed to survive, albeit not so healthy adults, but they survived. Some are in even better positions than I am today.

Sure they skipped meals, or at times only had cigarettes as food for the entire week. Or quit school for a few semesters to earn some dough. But see, there is that will to never give up. Kristel was not an isolated case. But why did she opt for the gutter?

what's even sadder is the media is making it their circus' main attraction. even called the president to hear what's his take on the issue.
I wouldn't call it a circus though. Sure she probably made a stupid decision in say, dying. But her death sheds light on a problem that's been there for decades that the government has turned a blind eye to. To ask the president for his opinion is only right, I'd LOVE to hear what he has to say.

Because, I'm not making things up, but to get into UP means you are one of the top 1% of the student population. I reiterate: top 1%. That says a lot. A lot being: the most potential in the entire country is in this group of young minds. I'm not saying that others don't have it, I'm saying that it's supposed to be a guarantee for this group. Movers and shakers, brilliance and creativity, these were all recognized when they passed the UPCAT.

And to the government, what is but 1%? It's not even your low 1%, or mid 1%. It's the top 1%!! And they cannot even provide for these kids??? Can they not invest in this fucking 1% for a brighter future? Is the logic too hard to grasp?

I'd love to hear what Pnoy has to say. They are taking these young minds too much for granted.
 

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Okay, first I thought it was an unintelligent way to go about things.

no matter how dire the situation, one should not just choke up and die. I had friends who were in similar situations, got in the shits, but managed to survive, albeit not so healthy adults, but they survived. Some are in even better positions than I am today.

Sure they skipped meals, or at times only had cigarettes as food for the entire week. Or quit school for a few semesters to earn some dough. But see, there is that will to never give up. Kristel was not an isolated case. But why did she opt for the gutter?
There has to be more to it then just not being able to pay the bills. She must have been under severe depression or something similar that coupled with the lack of finances that caused her to commit suicide. It seems like a mental health issue as well.
 

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yeah yeah all that jazz. Like I said, I don't approve of any form of suicide, really. Even if it was Kurt Cobain.

This just gives attention (hopefully) to what the people don't know about these kids, you know? A lot of people don't give a fuck about education, and the government certainly doesn't care- in fact, they'd been constantly increasing tuition fees even for the so-called "scholars" of this country.

When I was in UP, I started with 6,000 php per semester (about 150USD). In my fifth year it became 21,000 php (500 USD). And this is already supposedly a scholarship privilege. Subsidized by taxpayers' money. Because we are the cream of the crop. The government could give a shit.
 

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So you want the government to positively discriminate towards UP students even more? Sholdnt they try to give more to students in other universities too? I dont know much about it but I am guessing if you went to a less prestigious university you would get less funding?
 

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there are other state universities, I'm just saying that UP is the top one. And it's not just about UP, it's the entire country's general appreciation for education which is... not much. It's just that her death highlights many issues, and everyone is shrugging their shoulders about the whole mess that's been there for decades.

Education is a right, and not a privilege. That's a statement that's been dragged on and on but nobody really gives a damn about it. And all the more for those who deserved it the most, those who scored in the entrance exams for that university, for example. It's not a discrimination, but it's only logical to reward a student for his or her achievements, right? Like a private company or patron who awards scholarships to students of excellent mark. Except the state supposedly takes responsibility for its best students by accepting them in the country's premier university, subsidizes their tuition, and even special scholars are required to stay in the country for a few years after graduation to ensure that they serve for the country that gave them their education.

That's the idea.

But it's all so convoluted and twisted and funny and sad because the government is not doing its side of the bargain. A friend of mine said that it's not the government's problem like we usually think it is, and we always love to blame the state for it. But it's a fucking state university! So how is it not the state's responsibility? hahaha.
 

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“Mahal na mahal ko ang pamilya ko. At lahat din ng iba pang nagmamahal sa akin. Di ko lang talaga rin kinaya. Sana mapatawad at ipagdasal niyo ko. Salamat sa lahat magkikita pa ulit tayo. Sorry pero kailangan ko lang talagang gawin to
now that sounds odd..
 

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Okay. I just think it seems quite elitist to focus on helping one university. Especially because its a top institution, because education may be a right, but its also damn well a privilege. Maybe I am placing my own prejudices on the argument so I can be totally off here. But here in the UK the two top institutions (oxbridge) are made up of 50% privately educated individuals (Eton, Harrow, Winchester etc) even though they make up 7% of the population. I suppose the conclusion that can be drawn from that is not that rich and members of the elite are more intelligent then the rest of the population but they have the resources to get their children to the top institutions. This is beginning to change here as its become to be seen as a problem (a subset of a wider social class problem).

In that sense, education is definitely a privilege and being in the "top 1%" is a result of hard work but also because of the inherent privileges afforded to people at birth. It's really hard to have a complete meritocracy and say education is a right when not everyone begins at the same place because public education in most countries does not compare to private education. But as I said I dont know much about UP so...hahahaha. >.>

Anyway I think that went off on unrelated tangent.
 

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Problems in UP:

1. Poor Security. Too many students killed. UP Los Banos from Safest University became Most Dangerous

2. Almost all things are legal, Fraternity, Rally, Not Wearing Proper Attire during Class (Pwedeng mag-tsinelas lang.) Para laging may rebellion sa school. Lahat na halos ng bawal sa ibang universities ay legal/pwede sa UP.
Takot ba sa restrictions ang mga tao sa UP?!

3. Many Students are Rich. It's a State University, rich kids should not be in UP.
 

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not that i agree that these "rich" kids be not allowed in state universities. i say, give them a lesser priority than those who came from secondary institutions with appropriate merits and qualifications. having graduated from one, I've seen such where tuition assurance is given priority over academic excellence.
 

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not that i agree that these "rich" kids be not allowed in state universities. i say, give them a lesser priority than those who came from secondary institutions with appropriate merits and qualifications. having graduated from one, I've seen such where tuition assurance is given priority over academic excellence.
very much this. anyway the current system is an efficient form of control over the masses, so the governing elite couldn't care less.
 

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very much this. anyway the current system is an efficient form of control over the masses, so the governing elite couldn't care less.
and also, i think the current economic standing of our country, which in turn affects the financing of our public education system, has something to do with this.

 
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Okay. I just think it seems quite elitist to focus on helping one university. Especially because its a top institution, because education may be a right, but its also damn well a privilege. Maybe I am placing my own prejudices on the argument so I can be totally off here. But here in the UK the two top institutions (oxbridge) are made up of 50% privately educated individuals (Eton, Harrow, Winchester etc) even though they make up 7% of the population. I suppose the conclusion that can be drawn from that is not that rich and members of the elite are more intelligent then the rest of the population but they have the resources to get their children to the top institutions. This is beginning to change here as its become to be seen as a problem (a subset of a wider social class problem).

In that sense, education is definitely a privilege and being in the "top 1%" is a result of hard work but also because of the inherent privileges afforded to people at birth. It's really hard to have a complete meritocracy and say education is a right when not everyone begins at the same place because public education in most countries does not compare to private education. But as I said I dont know much about UP so...hahahaha. >.>

Anyway I think that went off on unrelated tangent.
I understand what you are saying, Imp.

But actually this university that I'm talking about, UP, given its supposed academic excellence, being one of the top schools in the country, is ideally fucking cheap. Because, it being a state university and subsidized by the government, its tuition per semester is close to nil. That was back in the day. I reached a time when it was 300php/unit, or close to 7 USD! But in the 1980s it was about 40php/ unit. So a good load of 15-18 units takes us to about 6-7,000. per semester. Other state universities even go way lower than this, however, it's not the same campus, and not the same standards. Most importantly, not the same environment. Which will be explained in a short while.

not that i agree that these "rich" kids be not allowed in state universities. i say, give them a lesser priority than those who came from secondary institutions with appropriate merits and qualifications. having graduated from one, I've seen such where tuition assurance is given priority over academic excellence.
For UP, there is a lower passing grade of admission for students from provincial areas, because of the understanding that their educational standards are lower in the provinces, and they are the ones who are in more need of the subsidized services of this school. They are top priority. Plus, the school also identifies the top students from the rural areas to give them free review sessions to prepare these students for the entrance exam. so, again, ideally, the school is trying hard to get the best students not only from the good schools, but also from the schools in rural areas all over the country, to ensure that they give everybody level playing ground.

That's the first hurdle, and that's the solution they came up with. This was applied decades ago.

(to those besides Imperium, this was explained by the chancellor to the media in the press release about the kristel case).

Next hurdle: So students from rural areas that deserve quality education by a state university already passed the exam. The problem lies now in getting them to enroll. Because many families can't even provide travel expenses for their kid to go to said campus. Tuition may be cheap for the middle class, but for the struggling citizens, you may have to learn many begging techniques. Still, I think the university is very lenient, and has provided many schemes to tackle the problem.

Students from rural areas are given priority in the campus dormitories that are also dirt cheap (500php/month- with food). And you can apply for the Socialized Tuition and Financial Assistance Program, where they assess your financial capabilities, and adjust your tuition accordingly, they can even give you allowances and refunds. Most government scholarship programs are applicable here. (you can even notice the difference between a physics scholar and a engineering scholar- physics has a higher budget, maybe because they're so few?) You can apply for student loans. You can become a student assistant and get certain fees waived equivalent to your working hours, etc. etc.

And because of these many schemes, you will find that in UP you meet many people from different classes (rich, middle, poor) coming together for intellectual pursuit alone. That is the ideal that the university aimed to achieve a long time ago. You may be surrounded by valedictorians and salutatorians of their own high schools, from all over the country, different provinces, different cultures, and that's what's amazing about this university. So it's in the very least, elitist, as you say. In fact, it is one of the very open schools you can find in the country, provided you just have the brains to get there.

The university I used to go to, anyway. Because, like I said, recently, tuition fees skyrocketed to more than 500%!! And they revised the financial assistance program quite drastically. That's what discouraged the kids from provinces and rural areas to even consider taking the exam.


Problems in UP:

1. Poor Security. Too many students killed. UP Los Banos from Safest University became Most Dangerous

2. Almost all things are legal, Fraternity, Rally, Not Wearing Proper Attire during Class (Pwedeng mag-tsinelas lang.) Para laging may rebellion sa school. Lahat na halos ng bawal sa ibang universities ay legal/pwede sa UP.
Takot ba sa restrictions ang mga tao sa UP?!

3. Many Students are Rich. It's a State University, rich kids should not be in UP.
Here now I can elaborate on why the UP culture is not at all elitist.

Re: Poor security-
this is because UP insisted on an open campus, and even supports the many communities around it, even allowing non-student communities to settle in the campus property. Since its area is so effing big (second only to UP LB, with its own public transportation system, so big it has its own zip code). I thought it was for good intentions, since many children also loved to play in its fields and gardens, and outsiders can actually sit in classes from time to time. That's how open it was. Eventually people abused this so crime rates increased. They had to tighten security- even if it kind of went against its principles of an "open campus".

re: UP LB,
(Los Baños campus, for you Imp) that's because UP LB has the most violent frat wars- so obviously their safety there is compromised.

re: Fraternities/sororities:
that's a totally different issue that could warrant another wall of text. So i won't comment. :p

re: Not wearing proper attire-
This is because they encourage freedom. Not only that, given the fact that many students are poor, they are lenient with dress codes. It also promotes your own style, your own way of taking on the world, if it were. What is "proper attire" anyway? What's so wrong with attending class wearing slippers? if you could comply with the academic requirements, if you could exchange brilliant ideas, what's wrong with the way you dress? It makes you feel at home and comfortable while putting your head to work, instead of worrying about material excesses.

re: rallies-
It is normal for thinking citizens to question rules and policies. The world is never perfect, and anybody is free to speak their mind. The teachers tolerate this behavior because they cannot stop students from expressing whatever they feel. They cannot take away this right, and the university "upholds justice" and "fighting for your rights". It's not every student who takes up arms and stuff, I for one was the apathetic kind. Also, the teachers know that the students love the university and would not endanger its campus, most activists choose information dissemination over violence. some even ask a few minutes of class time (though I hate it) to tell everyone about their cause in a calm way, without need of megaphones or placards. It is in critical thinking that leaders and shakers are born.

re: rich students:
now why would you stop them from enrolling in UP when they have the brains for it? Maybe there are schools which admit students who are none too bright but can bribe their way in with money. But at least I'm confident it doesn't happen in UP.

Recently, because of the tuition fee increase, only the rich and upper middle-class could dare to take the exams and enroll. I was still in the campus that time (my last year, although our tuition as existing students were unaffected) and I did notice the sharp change in culture. Before it was the rich who were mocked in the campus, they were the butt end of the jokes, since they were the minority then. But when the tuition spiked, damn, students came mostly from the Manila high schools, they flaunted their audis with their chauffeurs and their Longchamp bags. As opposed to the time when we didn't care which high school anybody came from, since it was obviously a no-name school from some rural province.

CONCLUSION!
That's why, I don't blame the administration for the Kristel case, as I always believed in what the university upheld. I blame the government for hacking the educational budget to pieces and leaving them the scraps, driving the university to increase its tuition that was the root of all evil.
 
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