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[fastfonz]

Re: One Piece 529 Discussion/530 Predictions

I am really curious as to how Oda is going to tell us what happened to everyone when they were transported.... I'm sure Zoro and Sanji are going to develop some new awesome moves, as i am now sure luffy has a couple new ones, GEARS 4 and 5 FTW!!!!

Perhaps Sanji and Zoro will beable to destroy seastone after their own mini arcs.....As i see it though i think it's Zoro and Nico who are in the most trouble, just because everyone else seems to have already found a friend....oh maybe chopper i guess but i reckon he'll turn man form ad the ppl he's with are so dumb they'll think he's a man lol

about destroying seastone.. I dont know.. I dont think they are physically as strong as Jimbei (Jimbei is most likely not a DF user), and unless he can break the chains he is imprisoned with, but doesnt want to.. then there is no hope for Sanji.. Maybe a sword could do it.. but again doubt it. Seastone is supposed to be stronger than diamond.. so when Zoro cuts a diamond.. then we are getting close

I cant wait to see what happens to the crew.. I dont know what I want more.. to see the crew of continue going down ID.

 

[camil222]

Re: One Piece 529 Discussion/530 Predictions

sry but i seriously doubt that luffy wil have anymore gears. i think oda introduced gear 2 and 3 and that was all. I cant really see luffy devellop anymore gears, like wat else could he do? become supper smart? other than haki, i dont think theyre will be anymore gears or upgrades or wtv you call it. but i dont kno if its me but i have a feeling that luffy will take a lot of time to master his haki and oda introduced the idea of haki before the new world so that luffy will devellop it in that part of the ocean. i say that because hancock comes from an island of wariors who uses haki and she has the kings haki and doesnt even master it yet, and since luffy has the same haki hell probably have a hard time controling it too. the reason too why i say hell have a hard time develloping it is because haki is completely different from the gears, its not something where you just blow air in your bones or just pump your blood vessels, its something psychological with a lot of aspect. like in the new world hell learn how too knock out everyone like shanks and rayleigh, hell learn how to put haki in his moves, hell learn how to predict the movement of someone, hell learn how to touch a logia type, etc. anyway all that just to say that i dont think hell learn anymore gears, those gears will be replace by luffy mastering every aspect of haki.

 

[SpaceDBadger]

Re: One Piece 529 Discussion/530 Predictions

Well then Camil if there isn't new gears i would certainly say that he has cotrolled some level of haki or somehow knows how to use haki, i mean he was on a boat with Boa for 4 days are you telling me he told him nothing BUT MORE THAN THAT is the fact that we are now on level 3 and he's already used his best move, things are only going to get tougher from here on out and i think he can't continue using his gears at this rate which would mean he must have some new moves up his sleeve

 

[c0nflikt]

I think Garp taught luffy Haki in a unconscious way and we will see quickly whenever luffy meets his next big enemy what he knows exactly.

 

[Imitorar]

Andonan, I think you put too much store by Luffy having shifted Gears already. You see, Gear isn't like Super Saiyan. Super Saiyan was used for when an enemy required a higher level of strength just to fight them. Gear, however, was made so that Luffy could defeat any enemy that he needed to so that he could protect his crew and fulfill his dream. That means that Gear will (and has) been used even in situations when it wasn't necessarily NEEDED, but it just made things easier or faster.

For example, Luffy didn't NEED Gear to fight Blueno. It just got Blueno out of the way faster, and gave Oda an opportunity to showcase Gear. I mean, unlike most other "super modes", Gear tends to get used in short bursts of a minute or two. For instance, in the fight against Blueno, Luffy used it for about a minute, and then shifted back to Gear First. Against Lucci, Luffy originally used Gear Second for only a minute or two to buy Franky time, and then shifted out of it. Later he shifted back into it for much longer, but that was to finish the fight. And again, during that same fight, Luffy used Gear Third for about 2 or 3 minutes. The same could be seen from the fight against the Paxifista. He used Gear Second for one hard attack against it in the beginning, and then shifted back to Gear 1st. He then shifted into Gear Third to finish it off with Gum Gum Gigant Rifle, and then went back to Gear 1st. Or how he only shifted into Gear Third for one attack against the Marines outside of the auction house at Grove 1.

It shows more with Gear Third, because when he uses Gear Second he tends to stay in it longer, because Gear Second's usage is much more serious, due to its more deadly nature, but in short, just because Luffy uses a Gear doesn't mean that he NEEDS to use it, that he's not strong enough to go without it. It VERY often just means that he wants to get in a few really good, solid hits, or to end a fight quickly. I would say that the usage of Gear Third on the basilisk is the latter. Therefore, more Gears aren't required, at least, not as of now. Luffy will begin to grow aware of his strengthening Haki sooner or later, but I think it may take an arc or two after the Impel Down arc and the war. For now, I think Gear Second and Gear Third will see Luffy through for quite a while.

 

[JinxJen]

Well, if we compared with Dragonball, Luffy's Gear's techniques are just like Goku's Kaio-ken to increase more speed (Gear 2) and power (Gear 3) in a short of time. They both have the deadful effect on the body after using too much.

And of course, when Luffy learns how to use Haki, he will upgrade into something like Super Saiya ^__^

Oda-sensei just give us a training arc and process it in his own way. Maybe after this arc, Luffy would realize how weak he still be and the will to become more stronger by learning Haki, so that he could protect his nakama. Luffy need a reason to be stronger. Like when he was defeated by Lucci in Water 7, he came back and told Blueno it's not good if he still stays like that. He learn soru to move faster and use Gear 3 to increase the power.

The problem is his stamia cannot keep up with this so he need to improve his stamia. Maybe training like Zoro.

 

[bittman]

Oda-sensei just give us a training arc and process it in his own way. Maybe after this arc, Luffy would realize how weak he still be and the will to become more stronger by learning Haki, so that he could protect his nakama. Luffy need a reason to be stronger. Like when he was defeated by Lucci in Water 7, he came back and told Blueno it's not good if he still stays like that. He learn soru to move faster and use Gear 3 to increase the power.

The problem is his stamia cannot keep up with this so he need to improve his stamia. Maybe training like Zoro.

Two things:
* Training Arc D= What do you think this is, every other manga in existence? Why would One Piece, after 520 chapters showing next to no training, suddenly add a training arc?
* Luffy has far more stamina than Zoro. Sure, Luffy never gets as ridiculously bloody as Zoro, but as the saying goes you live by the sword you die by the sword, so Zoro gets cut a fair bit. Usually Luffy sleeps for 2-3 days after a big battle, but then is instantly recovered. When Zoro took Luffy's damage onto his own, he not only slept for 3 days but is still severely injured a week or more later.

Of course I might be fighting a losing battle with that second one. This forum is full of Zoro-fans who will be quick to show off how Zoro takes more fatal blows than rubber Luffy. I can remind you of Alabasta arc if you guys want.

 

[JinxJen]

I did also add "process it in his own way". He actually did the training on his own (in Kuja, he said he will train by walking by his hand) after the defeat by Kuma. Well, you know, everytime Luffy was defeated, he come back with his new technique. So Oda-sensei need a arc to show how he gets it. That's what I mean.
I didn't say that Luffy has less stamina than Zoro. I just mean that Luffy cannot keep up with his Gear 2 too long because of his stamina (I think it was Lucci who said it) I just think if Luffy start training like Zoro, could it improve his stamina?

 

[Imitorar]

Not really, I think Zoro mostly does strength training. There's probably a fair bit of stamina training in there also, but it'd be stamina in terms of wind and how long you could swing your arms, not general how-long-can-you-go-with-your-blood-pressure-not-tearing-your-body-to-pieces stamina, which is what Luffy needs. I believe he said when he fought Blueno that he could get used to the strain of Gear Second, and I think acclimatization is his best option, as well as his most likely.

 

[rhysno1]

Luffy- better mastery on haki and less reliant on gears.
Zoro - better durability seriouslty get this guy some tekai.
Sanji - okama kenpo, hey he's on the island plus he need some more rythm.
Nami - mantra maybe, i can see that working well with her lightning based abilities.
Usopp - more complicated shots, like using chemicals and stuff in his bombs.
Chopper - life return, i cant find a person who could use it better especially in the hairy point.
Franky - not much maybe just some kind of stronger metal.
robin - i think her strenght and capabilities with her DF will increase like bigger range.
brooke - maybe a better sword, like a meitou.

 

[kkck]

Haki for the first 3(so that they can hurt the 3 admirals) and increase strength, speed and gadgets for the rest...

 

[zerocooldx]

I think we are going to see gear 4 from Luffy pretty soon. Because the 2nd and 3rd gear just aren't getting it done anymore. Also i don't think improvement of Haki will help Luffy that much at his current level. Because just Haki will do him little if any good against powerful Devil Fruit users let alone the non Devil Fruit users, such as Sentoumaru. We have seen speed and strength with gear 2 and 3 so i think we may see some type of "laceration" ability with the 4th gear. I mean it just seems like the next likely ability for Luffy. Which will allow him to "cut down" his opponents and give him a balanced and well rounded attack base.

 

[Rotten The Wizard]

Luffy- better mastery on haki and less reliant on gears.
Zoro - better durability seriouslty get this guy some tekai.
Sanji - okama kenpo, hey he's on the island plus he need some more rythm.
Nami - mantra maybe, i can see that working well with her lightning based abilities.
Usopp - more complicated shots, like using chemicals and stuff in his bombs.
Chopper - life return, i cant find a person who could use it better especially in the hairy point.
Franky - not much maybe just some kind of stronger metal.
robin - i think her strenght and capabilities with her DF will increase like bigger range.
brooke - maybe a better sword, like a meitou.

are you serious?!
Did you see what Zoro withstoood at thriller Bark?

 

[zelllogan]

Luffy- better mastery on haki and less reliant on gears.
Zoro - better durability seriouslty get this guy some tekai.
Sanji - okama kenpo, hey he's on the island plus he need some more rythm.
Nami - mantra maybe, i can see that working well with her lightning based abilities.
Usopp - more complicated shots, like using chemicals and stuff in his bombs.
Chopper - life return, i cant find a person who could use it better especially in the hairy point.
Franky - not much maybe just some kind of stronger metal.
robin - i think her strenght and capabilities with her DF will increase like bigger range.
brooke - maybe a better sword, like a meitou.

Luffy - Does he really need anything ? I'm not sure. He is already strong enough for the moment. I think that Luffy won't have full mastery of haki anytime soon.
Zoro - he already have the best durability in the whole manga. What he needs is a "devil" haki (not a full mastery) and why not shodaime kitetsu.
Sanji - That okama thing is getting on my nerves.
Brooke - He doesn't deserve a meitou. He is a second rate swordman. He isn't playing in the top league.
Chopper - What he need is confidence and master his monster point.
Usopp - What he need is confidence and that's all. When he's fighting without fear, he is a great fighter. He showed it when fighting luffy.

 

[Benjamin Kaito]

Luffy- better mastery on haki. Maybe a stronger gear that doesn't have those bad side effects.
Zoro - mastery over Asura
Sanji - okama kenpo, mastery over Diable Jamble
Nami - mastery over the weather
Usopp - new weapon maybe or at least new ammo. Lots of courage.
Chopper - find a way to get a hold of himself when in Monster Point. More self esteem.
Franky - Upgrades on his weapons and body.
robin - More mastery over her DF. its really handy and she can even fly for a tiny bit.
Brooke - uh..well..new techniques i guess. Maybe something on the same level as Diable and Asura.

 

[beastboy]

BROOKE: Making is attacks fly is ok, but how will he be able to do this, he hasn't muscles to improve yohohohohohoh skull joke (and he becomes able to walk in the water more time)
luffy: GEAR 4 using is rubber body he finds a way to heat up is body producing melting rubber, it hurts a lot when hitting the opponent, but luffy also hurts himself (perfect for gear)
Zoro: Lerns how to cut the sea, dividing it in 2 parts, and coming back to shabondy (err its east blue, wrong way)
Sanji, learns a secrete technique of okama kenpo, but he adapts it to is fighting style.
Nami, attaches those strings of weather to is clima tact, and/or her clima tact its a wether paramecia..
Usopp, its an island full of dangers so he will become brave and improve is close range fight, but just in the matter of serious fights, in sunny he will be the same as ever..

 

[Riku]

Brook: I'll just quate myseld from "Where Tehy Are & Why Theyre there sent by Kuma" thread

I think it is almost certain, that Brookes power up will deal with music. Just think about it, The cultists wanted revenge to Longarm Tribe, am I correct? The only possibly Longarm we know is Apoo. Apoo certainly had a DF that turned his body in to an instrument, but that still doesn't explain how he learned those musical attacks, especially the blow that "destroyed" Kizaru. So I have a hunch that Brook will learn some Longarm musical secrets, maybe the same ones that Apoo knows.

Franky: Updates, maybe he finds someone who he (Franky) thinks is trustworthy and skillfull enough to fix his weak point, the back.

Chopper: Hmm, Kingdom of Birds. I bet he'll make use of his ability to talk with animals, and learn something from the birds. Or maybe the giantic birds help him "tame" monsterform.

Zoro: No idea. Guess he'll have to get familiar with the new sword, and maybe starts to get the hang of his "devil aura/haki"-thing.

Sanji: Speechless. Please, no okamakenpo. Or atleast he should adapt it to his style a lot.

Luffy: Hmm, can't really say anything. Signs indicate that he slowly is becoming more aware of his haki.

Nami: Weather stuff, and some cool way to take advantage of the principals behind the wind-knots. Same way she understood the beauty behind Clima Tact, that was originally just a party toy.

Robin: Learns maybe something significant. Also further improves control over DF, and becomes even more talented with sneaking, spying and other stealth stuff.

Usopp: I have hunch that his upgrade deal with bugs somehow. There has been hole bunch of thing indicating it. In Jaya, he revealed his affection to spiders, and showed now fear among insects. He also was pretty impressed with Luffys beetle hunting results. Oh, and there were the fake creepies he threw on Perona. And the name of the new slingshot is "Kabuto", which translates on to beetle, if I'm correct.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

@ Ustegius :
Interesting about Usopp : I did not think about that. About Brook too, but I had already seen this post of yours.

and showed now fear among insects.

Did you mean " shown no fear among insects " (meaning the only animals he is not afraid of : insects) or/and " now, frightens people with insects " ?

 

[Riku]

@ Ustegius :
Interesting about Usopp : I did not think about that. About Brook too, but I had already seen this post of yours.

Did you mean " shown no fear among insects " (meaning the only animals he is not afraid of : insects) or/and " now, frightens people with insects " ?

Oh, pardon my bad grammar, not a native speaker

Of course I meant, that he doesn't fear insects. And was kinda fond of the tarantulas. As in the same position Nami ans Sanji where all girly and screaming.

Though, the scares people with insects also happened, with Perona. Not that I intended my post like that ^^

 

[morkelkey]

Hi dear friends,
I really think about wiper.
It's right choice for us.. Rejection in rare case but nearly broke their shoulder.
Thanks