Discussion Puzzling World Building: Deities and Realms

[Demonspeed]

I have been thinking about certain things regarding the gods and the different realms and Nasiens VS Rothes brought them to mind again. Might be a bit long.

We know that there are five major races: Goddesses, Demons, Fairies, Giants and Humans.

All of them were created by Chaos, a godlike entity who created the world. Among these five races, there were originally three deities:

1. The Supreme Deity for the Goddesses.
2. The Demon King for the Demons.
3. The Sacred Tree for the Fairies.

Giants have no deities AFAWK. Dolor has been called a god or godlike once IIRC but he isn't similar to the three others at all, doesn't seem to be first Giant and felt strange among his peers because he was more like a mutant among them (Giants are trash).

A Dragon God has also been mentioned in a fan book and is worshiped(?) by Zarpa, Human from the Savage Tribe but we have yet to see anything about him in the two manga AFAIR.

So, we have Chaos (creator of everything) > Supreme Deity, Demon King, Sacred Tree> Dragon God.

Goddesses have the Goddess Realm, Demons the Demon Realm, Fairies the Fairy Realm, Humans the Human Realm and Giants are in the Human Realm, living in Megadozer.

Other realms are the Purgatory (the Great Corridor, linking their world to the afterlife according to Rothes), Capital of the Dead, the Eternal Kingdom (Camelot) and Spirit Realm.

Supposedly, once you die and leave the CotD you go to Heaven or Hell, right? The CotD was the closest place to Heaven originally but we know you don't stay there forever, it's not even certain that everyone goes there.

The Purgatory is the closest thing to Hell AFAWK and I don't remember if either have been mentioned in NnT but Heaven has been mentioned at least once in the Wallnack arc. In MnY, God i.e. the One True God has also been mentioned. By Percival in the first chapter, Anne in the Wallnack arc and even by King and Diane in the Fairy Realm Family Drama arc.

It's weird isn't it? King is a Fairy, so he should worship the Sacred Tree. In the Echo Gorge arc, Lancelot was surprised to see Dolores praying to a Goddess(which makes things even more puzzling) saying that Giants worship Mother Nature. She is clothed like a nun and we have seen a bunch of characters clothed like this in the series.

Gilthunder is currently not a GHK like Howzer, but a Cardinal, which is apparently some kind of high ranked priest. Does it mean that Christianity exist in the verse and that God created Chaos? What do you even need to qualify as a deity? Do all the members of the Goddess Clan count as minor deities? Since Dolores was seen praying to a Goddess statue. These guys are also able to affect the cycle of reincarnation which is pretty noteworthy but we have Mera who had Hell Gate as Innate Magic.

Most of us believe that Mael is now the SD just like Zeldris is now the DK. Did he do something? Do you guys believe that Nakaba will clarify all of this or am I overthinking?

 

[Yakkun]

Hm, I have not given this as much thought as you but things like this are always worth musing over.

The essence in the lake which revealed the nature of chaos to us at the end of NNT is the most credible source when it comes to the official deity status. According to it, there are only three major deities that also deserve to be called "gods" not just in name but also in power and ability. The Supreme Deity, the Demon King and the Sacred Tree.

Everything else is either not a true god but is rather worshipped as a (minor) deity OR is a force of nature or force of life that while venerated, possesses no singular or collective conciousness to speak of, such as "Mother Nature" as is worshipped by the giants. Said mother of nature probably produces a prodigy giant every so often through the natural cycle of births and deaths and said individual sets itself apart so much from any other giant of their generation that they are worthy to be called king or queen by all of the clans groups and factions. The giants have been changing rather recently, keep in mind that for literal thousands of years they were a highly territorial, highly violent and competitive species. So coming to terms on a single person being everyone's king or queen is a - pun intended - gigantic deal for them. It is the closest to a proxy to the godhood they venerate as present in all of nature. But again, that is in worship ONLY, it does not put anyone on the same pedestral the official three gods as they were.

This also directly brings me to the status of Zeldris and Mael, the supposed respective new leaders of their clans. They, too, only serve as deities by name now because neither of them are comparable to their parent which is direct offspring of chaos. The only one of the original trio left is the Sacred Tree and that is a rather passive deity that enacts its will through a proxy person again, albeit with actual conciousness rather than the force of life/death and cause and effect as in "Mother Nature". In that regard I wonder if both the fairies AND the giants actually have a connection to life spirits only that somewhere in history the giants neglected that connection and overindulged in their competitive tendencies. Through Diane (if only she were to take a more active role) the giants might actually rediscover a natural spirituality again in the coming generations but it is going to take centuries if not millenia since they are so long-lived.

The dragon god is imo another minor deity, possibly ancient and very powerful but not a direct offspring of chaos. If they are directly of chaos, then they are still not as old as the first big three, I'd say.

The similarities to Christianity exist obviously but right now it is difficult to determine if Nakaba also intends to have minor cult status or is actually even older than Chaos itself since it worships the creator of Chaos but since the influences reach from Christianity to Greek/Roman lore of their respective deities to Asien influences it is impossible to pin down. Logially speaking, this verses version of Christianity should be a rather new and minor cult considering several civilisations and races far predate the human species alltogether.

As for the places - they are obviously real, although I would not compare the Capital of the Dead and Purgatory to Heaven and Hell. Purgatory is more like Hades in Greek mythology, an actual physical place you can enter in and it is also not exclusively a place existing for punishment or only for demons. Same goes for the Capital of the Dead, it is also a place you can reach with your physical body not just your soul. It is a different dimension-case for both of these realms but they are not on some meta plane, they are just not accessible from earth by conventional means but physically accessible, they are.

Is there a god or gods who govern the respective place? Who knows. They don't seem to require it. There is no grim reaper who governs the afterlife-like Capital of the Dead nor does Purgatory seem to need a king, it is just another habitat for specific creatures, although with extreme environments. In a way, they also resemble places in Hades again, Capital of the Dead could be inspired by the Fields of Elysium and Purgatory by Asphodel but that is just ONE possible inspiration, these places overlap and have similarities in almost all major human religions. I only use these examples because I know about these the most.


The thing about Gilthunder however is a misconception. Cardinal is a specific rank in the holy knight structure of Liones. Helbram held this place before Gilthunder did. It is separate or above Diamond rank but below Great Holy Knight. It serves a role more heavily focused on administration and advisorship rather than combat and is tailored as a support role to the GHKs. It does not literally make Gilthunder a cardinal in the meaning of the church-rank. It is just a military rank with that specific rank. Camelot for example does not even use the same ranking system as Liones, so Cardinal-rank might be unique to Liones.

I do not think Nakaba will explain all of this in full detail, only generalization. There might come more lore with more databooks, especially on the whole spirit realm, the powers and workings of chaos and how Camelot functions but nothing too elaborate on the status of deities and their realms since their age now is over. Also, it is more fun for fans this way if not everything is explains, allows for fun headcanons and theories and stimulates imagination.

 

[Demonspeed]

Purgatory is a place you can go to, but Rothes said it's a link between their world and the afterlife. It means that dead people should reside there.

About Giants, I remember Dolor trying to use a technique named Gaia Form, but we never saw it. Lot of potential wasted with this clan, a lot of things could have been handled better.

Do you think that Goddesses get empowered by these prayers? The Goddess on the stone had four wings but of a size similar to Tarmiel.

 

[Jdmp53]

I have been thinking about certain things regarding the gods and the different realms and Nasiens VS Rothes brought them to mind again. Might be a bit long.

We know that there are five major races: Goddesses, Demons, Fairies, Giants and Humans.

All of them were created by Chaos, a godlike entity who created the world. Among these five races, there were originally three deities:

1. The Supreme Deity for the Goddesses.
2. The Demon King for the Demons.
3. The Sacred Tree for the Fairies.

Giants have no deities AFAWK. Dolor has been called a god or godlike once IIRC but he isn't similar to the three others at all, doesn't seem to be first Giant and felt strange among his peers because he was more like a mutant among them (Giants are trash).

A Dragon God has also been mentioned in a fan book and is worshiped(?) by Zarpa, Human from the Savage Tribe but we have yet to see anything about him in the two manga AFAIR.

So, we have Chaos (creator of everything) > Supreme Deity, Demon King, Sacred Tree> Dragon God.

Goddesses have the Goddess Realm, Demons the Demon Realm, Fairies the Fairy Realm, Humans the Human Realm and Giants are in the Human Realm, living in Megadozer.

Other realms are the Purgatory (the Great Corridor, linking their world to the afterlife according to Rothes), Capital of the Dead, the Eternal Kingdom (Camelot) and Spirit Realm.

Supposedly, once you die and leave the CotD you go to Heaven or Hell, right? The CotD was the closest place to Heaven originally but we know you don't stay there forever, it's not even certain that everyone goes there.

The Purgatory is the closest thing to Hell AFAWK and I don't remember if either have been mentioned in NnT but Heaven has been mentioned at least once in the Wallnack arc. In MnY, God i.e. the One True God has also been mentioned. By Percival in the first chapter, Anne in the Wallnack arc and even by King and Diane in the Fairy Realm Family Drama arc.

It's weird isn't it? King is a Fairy, so he should worship the Sacred Tree. In the Echo Gorge arc, Lancelot was surprised to see Dolores praying to a Goddess(which makes things even more puzzling) saying that Giants worship Mother Nature. She is clothed like a nun and we have seen a bunch of characters clothed like this in the series.

Gilthunder is currently not a GHK like Howzer, but a Cardinal, which is apparently some kind of high ranked priest. Does it mean that Christianity exist in the verse and that God created Chaos? What do you even need to qualify as a deity? Do all the members of the Goddess Clan count as minor deities? Since Dolores was seen praying to a Goddess statue. These guys are also able to affect the cycle of reincarnation which is pretty noteworthy but we have Mera who had Hell Gate as Innate Magic.

Most of us believe that Mael is now the SD just like Zeldris is now the DK. Did he do something? Do you guys believe that Nakaba will clarify all of this or am I overthinking?

Things i'd like you to consider as well :
1. goddess clan were worshiped by humans from long ago as well as they were people who descended from heavens? and also have power of life in a good way.
you talked about Mela here but i'd like to remind u that she was a demon snake bathed in demon realm miasma which led to her having her powers? like its not common thing to have it as a demon to summon dead etc. she doesn't seem to have shown any powers after she became as small snake again after corand arc. she could be an odd ball out.

2. The druids were always present with priest and priestess..gilthunder being a son of a druid person might be that he's taking up that mantle or something?

3. Heaven does exist though..we see it in estarossa/Mael flasshbacks with elizabeth

4. Dolores worshiping goddess clan is also something shestarted doing after leaving megadozer and seeing humans do.

5. CoTD is a place to visit the dead. they actually don't stay there..just acts a like a place for both living and dead to meet up. The dead souls must be going to spirit realm to become part of the one which percy is part of?

6. Sacred tree is more like part of the fairy realm itself. it's a whole darn ecosystem at this point. I'd like to bet the source of light in there is form 7 luminosity lol..

 

[Demonspeed]

Things i'd like you to consider as well :
1. goddess clan were worshiped by humans from long ago as well as they were people who descended from heavens? and also have power of life in a good way.
you talked about Mela here but i'd like to remind u that she was a demon snake bathed in demon realm miasma which led to her having her powers? like its not common thing to have it as a demon to summon dead etc. she doesn't seem to have shown any powers after she became as small snake again after corand arc. she could be an odd ball out.

2. The druids were always present with priest and priestess..gilthunder being a son of a druid person might be that he's taking up that mantle or something?

3. Heaven does exist though..we see it in estarossa/Mael flasshbacks with elizabeth

4. Dolores worshiping goddess clan is also something shestarted doing after leaving megadozer and seeing humans do.

5. CoTD is a place to visit the dead. they actually don't stay there..just acts a like a place for both living and dead to meet up. The dead souls must be going to spirit realm to become part of the one which percy is part of?

6. Sacred tree is more like part of the fairy realm itself. it's a whole darn ecosystem at this point. I'd like to bet the source of light in there is form 7 luminosity lol..

I forgot about Druids and Celestials but I don't remember where it's been said that they were worshiping Goddesses. These two races are rather strange in the first place. Druids at least are said to be a special Humans but Celestials could be Hybrids?

I am pretty sure that Elizabeth and Mael were in the Goddess Realm, not Heaven. I don't remember what you said about Dolores.

If they go to the Spirit Realm, then what about Heaven and Hell? This is a bit confusing but LS are different from souls. There must also be different spirit realms the different types of Spirits/Elementals.

We saw the Sacred Tree along with the Supreme Deity and the Demon King. He is the "third son".

 

[Yakkun]

Purgatory is a place you can go to, but Rothes said it's a link between their world and the afterlife. It means that dead people should reside there.

About Giants, I remember Dolor trying to use a technique named Gaia Form, but we never saw it. Lot of potential wasted with this clan, a lot of things could have been handled better.

Do you think that Goddesses get empowered by these prayers? The Goddess on the stone had four wings but of a size similar to Tarmiel.

I consider Purgatory the "afterlife waiting room". I believe we saw what happens to the souls of the deceased if they end up lingering there for too long (for whatever reason) - the thing that almost happened to Ban; he almost forgot who he was and why he was there and was about to turn into that shadow fox monster. I believe that is also the way the natural environment of Purgatory maintains itself, it is a cycle of life generation. I think it took Ban significantly longer to reach that stage because he was still alive and physically present there (which is a statistical impossibility so its not worth dwelling on it or trying to extrapolate anything common from). Souls likely transform faster and not after centuries or millenia. Some pass on to the afterlife earlier, some later and some just don't make the cut, transform into beasts and become the creatures that live in Purgatory and consider it their natural habitat. This also makes Purgatory nto only the waiting room but also the recycling bin for those souls that cannot be reincarnated the normal way; they still feed the cycle of existence by becoming Purgatory beasts and they retain memories of their former existences. In a way, becoming and Indura is somewhat similar although it is invoked via a ritualistic process, irrc.

Yeah, the giants got shafted hard in the mangas, even worse than the goddesses. Speaking of which, I don't know if the manga had any concrete proof that the goddesses benefit from extended prayers in any way but I believe that those who have faith in them are easier to... sway. High ranking goddess clan members such as Ludociel have shown that spells like the "fake hope" one or whatever it was called can massively empower followers of the goddesses although it does not boost their resilience (only their agression and strength). It turns them into blind faith soldiers, fanatics. It seems one aspect of goddess magic also revolves around the state of the heart their targets have, their emotions, their moral alignments and such. Mael has the arrow of salvation which kills demons immediately and harms anyone else to a degree that they suffer insane agony from just a single hit. I don't know if this can also be considered a curse; a different aspect of their otherwise usually beneficial magic? I mean you can use arc offensively for example but also for those who are immune to it, you can also shelter them inside an arc globe and they are protected from creatures of darkness, etc. Healing and cursing might be another aspect of the goddess powers and imo it would make a lot of sense if the eb and flow of prayer affected the strength of their abilities. Which could also explain why Ludociel considered the alliance with the other clans in the form of Stigma very beneficial. Because the more people believe in the cause of the goddesses, the more it boosts them?

This is just a theory, though.

 

[Demonspeed]

I consider Purgatory the "afterlife waiting room". I believe we saw what happens to the souls of the deceased if they end up lingering there for too long (for whatever reason) - the thing that almost happened to Ban; he almost forgot who he was and why he was there and was about to turn into that shadow fox monster. I believe that is also the way the natural environment of Purgatory maintains itself, it is a cycle of life generation. I think it took Ban significantly longer to reach that stage because he was still alive and physically present there (which is a statistical impossibility so its not worth dwelling on it or trying to extrapolate anything common from). Souls likely transform faster and not after centuries or millenia. Some pass on to the afterlife earlier, some later and some just don't make the cut, transform into beasts and become the creatures that live in Purgatory and consider it their natural habitat. This also makes Purgatory nto only the waiting room but also the recycling bin for those souls that cannot be reincarnated the normal way; they still feed the cycle of existence by becoming Purgatory beasts and they retain memories of their former existences. In a way, becoming and Indura is somewhat similar although it is invoked via a ritualistic process, irrc.

Yeah, the giants got shafted hard in the mangas, even worse than the goddesses. Speaking of which, I don't know if the manga had any concrete proof that the goddesses benefit from extended prayers in any way but I believe that those who have faith in them are easier to... sway. High ranking goddess clan members such as Ludociel have shown that spells like the "fake hope" one or whatever it was called can massively empower followers of the goddesses although it does not boost their resilience (only their agression and strength). It turns them into blind faith soldiers, fanatics. It seems one aspect of goddess magic also revolves around the state of the heart their targets have, their emotions, their moral alignments and such. Mael has the arrow of salvation which kills demons immediately and harms anyone else to a degree that they suffer insane agony from just a single hit. I don't know if this can also be considered a curse; a different aspect of their otherwise usually beneficial magic? I mean you can use arc offensively for example but also for those who are immune to it, you can also shelter them inside an arc globe and they are protected from creatures of darkness, etc. Healing and cursing might be another aspect of the goddess powers and imo it would make a lot of sense if the eb and flow of prayer affected the strength of their abilities. Which could also explain why Ludociel considered the alliance with the other clans in the form of Stigma very beneficial. Because the more people believe in the cause of the goddesses, the more it boosts them?

This is just a theory, though.

Well, if the Purgatory is the "Afterlife waiting room", what is the CoTD? That's where Elaine was and you can see people "one last time" there.

For Goddesses at least, everything has been set up. We are just waiting for it to happen. Giants however feel like an afterthought.

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That reminds me, has it been said anywhere that Fairies are closer to Light and Giants closer to Darkness or is it a popular headcanon?

 

[Yakkun]

Well, if the Purgatory is the "Afterlife waiting room", what is the CoTD? That's where Elaine was and you can see people "one last time" there.

For Goddesses at least, everything has been set up. We are just waiting for it to happen. Giants however feel like an afterthought.

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That reminds me, has it been said anywhere that Fairies are closer to Light and Giants closer to Darkness or is it a popular headcanon?

Welllllllll..... technically, Purg and CoTD are actually more of a filtration system, if you really wanna get technical about it? They just sift out different kinds of souls, I guess? Souls of the departed reside in Purgatory and keeping in mind with what I wrote about earlier then the Capital of the Dead is the temporary residence of everyone who is going to be reincarnated. It is also just another waiting room but one that is likely designed for different kind of souls and it possibly also inhabits more of them in total at the same time since the timespan for reincarnation differs and can take years or even decades.



Nope, nothing said about fairies -> light / giants -> darkness, as far as I remember. At least not in the manga? I don't know other official sources from memory, like the data books, maybe it was a side note in one of these? But I heard this for the first time here and also never saw it discussed anywhere before so it is very likely a headcanon.

 

[kkck]

I have wondered if giants had a god but if there was such a being it'd be in a similar situation to the demon king and supreme goddess in that it wouldn't be able to stay in the human realm for long without causing a disaster. I've wondered if perhaps the earth itself serves such a function for giants given their evident connection to it but there's no evidence of the earth being a godlike entity. Giants are sort of sad existences in the lore because they do not fall under the purview of either supreme deity or demon king and chaos sort of moved on from them. I get the feeling there is some affinity between giants and the sacred tree given the synergy in their magics but it's not obvious that they are connected. If anything fairies would appear to be closer to light while giants are closer to darkness. Of course, it's entirely possible that nakaba will go on to reveal more siblings to the gods.

 

[Rey151203]

A Dragon God has also been mentioned in a fan book and is worshiped(?) by Zarpa, Human from the Savage Tribe but we have yet to see anything about him in the two manga AFAIR.

WHAT??? WHERE DO I SEE THIS?

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Everything else is either not a true god but is rather worshipped as a (minor) deity OR is a force of nature or force of life that while venerated, possesses no singular or collective conciousness to speak of, such as "Mother Nature" as is worshipped by the giants. Said mother of nature probably produces a prodigy giant every so often through the natural cycle of births and deaths and said individual sets itself apart so much from any other giant of their generation that they are worthy to be called king or queen by all of the clans groups and factions. The giants have been changing rather recently, keep in mind that for literal thousands of years they were a highly territorial, highly violent and competitive species. So coming to terms on a single person being everyone's king or queen is a - pun intended - gigantic deal for them. It is the closest to a proxy to the godhood they venerate as present in all of nature. But again, that is in worship ONLY, it does not put anyone on the same pedestral the official three gods as they were.

my idea about it

I like to call these lesser gods (demon king, sacred tree) DEVAS

If the dragon god is the dragon of chaos, I think he is stronger than the 3 devas, but less worshipped and less known.

and what are the devas about: divine spirit,

The divine elementals of their respective elements

Darkness
Light
Nature or flora

and the mother earth that the giants worship, is the deva of the earth element, this leaves room for the possibility that there would be 3 more devas (fire, water and wind)

and possibly also clans linked to them.

 

[Demonspeed]

Welllllllll..... technically, Purg and CoTD are actually more of a filtration system, if you really wanna get technical about it? They just sift out different kinds of souls, I guess? Souls of the departed reside in Purgatory and keeping in mind with what I wrote about earlier then the Capital of the Dead is the temporary residence of everyone who is going to be reincarnated. It is also just another waiting room but one that is likely designed for different kind of souls and it possibly also inhabits more of them in total at the same time since the timespan for reincarnation differs and can take years or even decades.



Nope, nothing said about fairies -> light / giants -> darkness, as far as I remember. At least not in the manga? I don't know other official sources from memory, like the data books, maybe it was a side note in one of these? But I heard this for the first time here and also never saw it discussed anywhere before so it is very likely a headcanon.

Let's say Howzer dies!

Regret: Not having married Guila.

What do you think would be the process?

WHAT??? WHERE DO I SEE THIS?

It's from one of the fan books.

 

[Yakkun]

Let's say Howzer dies!

Regret: Not having married Guila.

What do you think would be the process?

Oof, salt in the wound

Again, this is all headcanon so hard to prove and depending on so many unknowns that it likely is completely wrong.

But the start of the process has to come with some sort of evaluation process, no? At some point, the soul is being judged or weighed or however you wanna call it. Was the person a morally upstanding citizen, maybe even a hero or an absolute unredeemable dirtbag, the scum of the earth? Did they leave a fulfilled, happy live or was it tragic and full of regrets?

In Howzer's case we could say he had a couple of vices, he drank, he was kind of a horndog, maybe a bit brash and prone to violence. He also was a good man at the bottom of his heart, someone who put the citizens of Liones and Britania first and he's sure ready to give his life for it. He also loves his family and he can kinda be considered a hero. Then there is your imposed regret of not having married Guila.

Either his soul is being judged right on death and then he either has to go to purgatory but due to being a rather good guy his soul won't have to stay and struggle there for long before being passed onto the capital of the dead (where his soul will definitely be out of immediate danger) and there he will have to wait for an indeterminite time before it is scrubbed clean of everything unnecessary and he is being reincarnated. Alternatively, his soul is judged on death and he passes straight to CotD without even having to step into purg because he is such a good boy.

OR...... EVERYONE has to go to purg no matter what. It is THERE the soul is judged by trial. Depending on how you did in life it will be more or less difficult to get by and the judging process IS the filtration process in itself. If you were good, you might face less challenges and you pass and you go to CotD. If you weren't, or if you despair and struggle and give up and lose yourself eventually you stay in purg until the last remains of your "self" are rotted away and forgotten and then you become a purgatory beast. Your appearance may or may not reflect the nature of your vices or what kind of person you were in your previous life.

Mind you, I would say this is the process applying to SOULS. NOT PEOPLE who somehow can enter purgatory or the CotD physically. Theses are unconventional and dangerous processes for which the respective places are not intended and have no protocoll to adhere to.


I take most of this from how I seem to remember it works in Greek mythology with Hades. You have to pay Charon the fee so he takes you down the river Styx and ferry you into Hades in the first place. If you didn't pay him or meet some other exception that excludes you from passage, you are kinda stuck at the river Styx; in Limbo, so to speak, and likely are denied entrance or have to wait forever (or till someone pays for you?).

Down in the underworld Hades judges your life, iirc. From there it is decided where you could end up. Asphodel, Tartarus, Elysium. Only, there is no reincarnation process there, I believe.

 

[Demonspeed]

Oof, salt in the wound

Again, this is all headcanon so hard to prove and depending on so many unknowns that it likely is completely wrong.

But the start of the process has to come with some sort of evaluation process, no? At some point, the soul is being judged or weighed or however you wanna call it. Was the person a morally upstanding citizen, maybe even a hero or an absolute unredeemable dirtbag, the scum of the earth? Did they leave a fulfilled, happy live or was it tragic and full of regrets?

In Howzer's case we could say he had a couple of vices, he drank, he was kind of a horndog, maybe a bit brash and prone to violence. He also was a good man at the bottom of his heart, someone who put the citizens of Liones and Britania first and he's sure ready to give his life for it. He also loves his family and he can kinda be considered a hero. Then there is your imposed regret of not having married Guila.

Either his soul is being judged right on death and then he either has to go to purgatory but due to being a rather good guy his soul won't have to stay and struggle there for long before being passed onto the capital of the dead (where his soul will definitely be out of immediate danger) and there he will have to wait for an indeterminite time before it is scrubbed clean of everything unnecessary and he is being reincarnated. Alternatively, his soul is judged on death and he passes straight to CotD without even having to step into purg because he is such a good boy.

OR...... EVERYONE has to go to purg no matter what. It is THERE the soul is judged by trial. Depending on how you did in life it will be more or less difficult to get by and the judging process IS the filtration process in itself. If you were good, you might face less challenges and you pass and you go to CotD. If you weren't, or if you despair and struggle and give up and lose yourself eventually you stay in purg until the last remains of your "self" are rotted away and forgotten and then you become a purgatory beast. Your appearance may or may not reflect the nature of your vices or what kind of person you were in your previous life.

Mind you, I would say this is the process applying to SOULS. NOT PEOPLE who somehow can enter purgatory or the CotD physically. Theses are unconventional and dangerous processes for which the respective places are not intended and have no protocoll to adhere to.


I take most of this from how I seem to remember it works in Greek mythology with Hades. You have to pay Charon the fee so he takes you down the river Styx and ferry you into Hades in the first place. If you didn't pay him or meet some other exception that excludes you from passage, you are kinda stuck at the river Styx; in Limbo, so to speak, and likely are denied entrance or have to wait forever (or till someone pays for you?).

Down in the underworld Hades judges your life, iirc. From there it is decided where you could end up. Asphodel, Tartarus, Elysium. Only, there is no reincarnation process there, I believe.

But who does the judgment? You do think that there is a One True God in-universe who is superior to Chaos then?

 

[Yakkun]

But who does the judgment? You do think that there is a One True God in-universe who is superior to Chaos then?

It's me


Nah, seriously, I think it would be done by whatever entity embodies "death"? I think this is not something with any agency and more of a passive god, so tos peak? I think it is similar to how the Giant clan worships the earth? Or how the Sacred Tree can exert its will through other means aside from personally interfering in things. It is more like a force of nature that governs a specific aspect of existence, if you know what I mean? And since the aspect of death is something so total and encompassing that it is - under ordinary circumstances - impossible to avoid or even attack/harm/turn off in any conventional way, it would make sense if such a "judge" didn't have too much agency outside of governing the immaterial realms of the afterlife (Purg/CotD) but otherwise wouldn't or couldn't meddle in any other affairs.

I honestly don't know. Nakaba doesn't explain every single detail. Like, why is the CotD full of chrystals specifically? Why are there specific locations where you can access it from the real world, etc. Lots of stuff likely will never be explained and we have to file it under "lol magic".