question about logia powers

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Well, since Luffy is made out of rubber he's halfway to a logia. But for that category he needs to be able to dissolve in the material of his fruit and to create some of it. I honestly won't mind, if Oda would introduce some wierd way to fit Luffy in that category, but i think he won't :P
 

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I have a question I would like to discuss aswell. It's been a while since somebody posted in this thread but I didn't want to start a new one:

Tbh I have several questions or things I don't quite understand.

1) (General question) Can you feel if something flying towards you is infused with haki? If not, then Ace would've been in big trouble if Van Augur was a haki user. This is actually closely connected to the second question:

2) Can you only turn your body into the element or can you also create "holes" in your body where NOTHING is and where even haki can't hurt you because you moved that part of the body (as your element) somewhere else? That would explain how Aokiji wasn't hit by Whitebeards attack. And it could also make Ace not care about Van Augurs bullets if he just created holes instead of turning into fire.

I hope you guys can follow what I mean. If you can only turn into your element then there are many risks and then Ace was stupid AND Aokiji should be dead. So you have to be able to create holes where even with haki nothing can happen to you aswell. That's pretty op, what do you guys think?



EDIT: One last question:
3) What if that house that JB threw at Ace wasn't destroyed but Ace simply turned into fire? The house would've hit him and he would've turned into fire but he wouldn't be able to get THROUGH the house. So he would have to be a very thin layer of fire and escape to one side, right? What if somebody threw something so huge at you, that you can't produce enough of your "fire" or "smoke" or whatever? Would this person just dissapear? Or be crushed in his human form? I really can't imagine it :(
 
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I have a question I would like to discuss aswell. It's been a while since somebody posted in this thread but I didn't want to start a new one:

Tbh I have several questions or things I don't quite understand.

1) (General question) Can you feel if something flying towards you is infused with haki? If not, then Ace would've been in big trouble if Van Augur was a haki user. This is actually closely connected to the second question:

2) Can you only turn your body into the element or can you also create "holes" in your body where NOTHING is and where even haki can't hurt you because you moved that part of the body (as your element) somewhere else? That would explain how Aokiji wasn't hit by Whitebeards attack. And it could also make Ace not care about Van Augurs bullets if he just created holes instead of turning into fire.

I hope you guys can follow what I mean. If you can only turn into your element then there are many risks and then Ace was stupid AND Aokiji should be dead. So you have to be able to create holes where even with haki nothing can happen to you aswell. That's pretty op, what do you guys think?



EDIT: One last question: What if that house that JB threw at Ace wasn't destroyed but Ace simply turned into fire? The house would've hit him and he would've turned into fire but he wouldn't be able to get THROUGH the house. So he would have to be a very thin layer of fire and escape to one side, right? What if somebody threw something so huge at you, that you can't produce enough of your "fire" or "smoke" or whatever? Would this person just dissapear? Or be crushed in his human form? I really can't imagine it :(
1) It was not yet shown in the manga, at least not with a flying object, but generally, it was shown that you can perceive if someone used Haki, maybe even the efficiency and level of it. Here Blackbeard comments on Luffy´s Haki, falsely translated with "Spirit". Of course it was unconsciously used but does not change the point.
Considering that, it is likely that you can perceive the usage of Haki, even with a flying object.

2) Yes, it was shown several times now, one recent example would be this

 

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1) It was not yet shown in the manga, at least not with a flying object, but generally, it was shown that you can perceive if someone used Haki, maybe even the efficiency and level of it. Here Blackbeard comments on Luffy´s Haki, falsely translated with "Spirit". Of course it was unconsciously used but does not change the point.
Considering that, it is likely that you can perceive the usage of Haki, even with a flying object.

2) Yes, it was shown several times now, one recent example would be this

I guess you're right. Even though Ceaser didn't create a hole but just moved his whole (gas-)body to one side. Doesn't make a difference though.
 

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1) It was not yet shown in the manga, at least not with a flying object, but generally, it was shown that you can perceive if someone used Haki, maybe even the efficiency and level of it. Here Blackbeard comments on Luffy´s Haki, falsely translated with "Spirit". Of course it was unconsciously used but does not change the point.
To add to this, Akainu also commented on the feeling of "haki".

3) What if that house that JB threw at Ace wasn't destroyed but Ace simply turned into fire? The house would've hit him and he would've turned into fire but he wouldn't be able to get THROUGH the house. So he would have to be a very thin layer of fire and escape to one side, right? What if somebody threw something so huge at you, that you can't produce enough of your "fire" or "smoke" or whatever? Would this person just dissapear? Or be crushed in his human form? I really can't imagine it :(
Unless the huge thing in question was coated with haki, I doubt it would crush the person's human form. Depending on the element, the person should be able to escape as there form is ethereal enough to get through the tiniest of cracks. Teach is the only one who wouldn't be able to do anything about it. Possibly Caribou and Crocodile as well.

Smoker should be fine as his smoke should disperse enough to get him through the cracks. Same with Ace, Ceasar, and potentially Monet.

Eneru and Kizaru would be fast enough to escape, and even then, I can't even really imagine catching light or lightning under anything.

Kuzan has demonstrated the ability to "phase" through things so he should be fine as well. Akainu should be able to melt his way through as well.

Keep in mind though, the huge thing I thought of for the scenario was just a large poneglyph looking block that was bigger than Issho's meteors.
 

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1) (General question) Can you feel if something flying towards you is infused with haki? If not, then Ace would've been in big trouble if Van Augur was a haki user. This is actually closely connected to the second question:
Probably not, but I'm going with how Luffy didn't know one of the Boa sisters and Sentomaru were using Color of Armament, before he even knew what haki was.

Now though, I'm guessing feeling is not required, we can see if something is infused with haki with how solid and dark the object looks. Vergo and LUffy's haki-infused body part turned black and looked solid and shiny.

2) Can you only turn your body into the element or can you also create "holes" in your body where NOTHING is and where even haki can't hurt you because you moved that part of the body (as your element) somewhere else? That would explain how Aokiji wasn't hit by Whitebeards attack. And it could also make Ace not care about Van Augurs bullets if he just created holes instead of turning into fire.
I think it depends on the power you have. Smoker and Ace can create holes because of their logia power, while Akainu might not be able to because of ice. Unless Van Augur used haki, Ace didn't need to care either way as logias don't get hurt by normal attacks.

I hope you guys can follow what I mean. If you can only turn into your element then there are many risks and then Ace was stupid AND Aokiji should be dead. So you have to be able to create holes where even with haki nothing can happen to you aswell. That's pretty op, what do you guys think?
There are few risks, and I think Vergo pointed one out to Smoker. Smoker kept spreading his smoke body all over the place, but Vergo said that made him an easy target thanks to his usage of haki. I forgot what happened to Aokiji though, whether he was already ice or not. But I'm guessing it's harder to kill him because he's an ice user.



EDIT: One last question:
3) What if that house that JB threw at Ace wasn't destroyed but Ace simply turned into fire? The house would've hit him and he would've turned into fire but he wouldn't be able to get THROUGH the house. So he would have to be a very thin layer of fire and escape to one side, right? What if somebody threw something so huge at you, that you can't produce enough of your "fire" or "smoke" or whatever? Would this person just dissapear? Or be crushed in his human form? I really can't imagine it :(
I don't think anything would happen to Ace or whoever got something huge tossed at them.
 

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To add to this, Akainu also commented on the feeling of "haki".



Unless the huge thing in question was coated with haki, I doubt it would crush the person's human form. Depending on the element, the person should be able to escape as there form is ethereal enough to get through the tiniest of cracks. Teach is the only one who wouldn't be able to do anything about it. Possibly Caribou and Crocodile as well.

Smoker should be fine as his smoke should disperse enough to get him through the cracks. Same with Ace, Ceasar, and potentially Monet.

Eneru and Kizaru would be fast enough to escape, and even then, I can't even really imagine catching light or lightning under anything.

Kuzan has demonstrated the ability to "phase" through things so he should be fine as well. Akainu should be able to melt his way through as well.

Keep in mind though, the huge thing I thought of for the scenario was just a large poneglyph looking block that was bigger than Issho's meteors.
I see it the same way. These questions were to get your opinions because I wasn't 100% sure here. The third question though is only hypothetical it will never happen. But IF a HUGE (let's just say 1km²) thing made of diamond or something fall on a logia user then at first he would turn into the element. The element would be compressed and pressed to the ground. And then what? I mean everything would be crushed under this weight. It wasn't really meant as serious question I just wonder HOW they would die then (bc in this scenario I'm pretty sure even a logia can't do much)


Oh, and the Aokiji part I meant was this one.http://www.mangapanda.com/103-41586-7/one-piece/chapter-567.html
 

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I'm not sure if he got stabbed with haki, but I'm guessing making a hole does protect him, given what Vergo said to Smoker about spreading his body via smoke.
 

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Kizaru could have simply used observation haki and saw the bullets coming readying his body for the attack. And to be honest, all a logia user would need to keep solid is their shoe soles and hands if they're holding something, i doubt it would take much mental strain to constantly stay fluid.
 

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I think it was made perfectly clear by Kizaru and Aokiji that as long as you anticipate the attack coming, you can prepare your Logia state react in a way that withstands the damage received.
(against Marco & Whitebeard respectively)
 
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