Question Questions about the rankings?

[Lonatian]

We know the rankings based on the battle records, reputation, position, that kind of thing. (Ss3 ep 50 - ch 467)

The top 17 are
1. Phantaminum
2. Enryu
3. Zahard
4. Urek
5. Hon
6. Eduan
7. Adori
7. Enne (2 people tied for seventh place)
9. Baekryun
10. Yurin
11. Tu Perie
12. Molic One
13. Blossom
14. Gustang
15. Luslec
16. Hendo BM
17. Yirang

Now we are not talking about strength but about reputation.
- The 3 irregulars are Phanta, Enryu, and Urek, taking up 3 spots.
Zahard and the family heads take up 9 spots.
- The leaders of the organizations: Baekryun, Molic One, and Luslec take up 3 spots.
- The remaining two spots belong to the two Zahard princesses: Adori and Enne.

But
1. Why is Enne's rank so high?
We know she is a talented princess and the daughter of two family heads. Her achievements so far (which have been confirmed) are only defeating a group of princesses. But she is ranked higher than her biological parents and has been sealed for a long time (normally people would drop in rank if they are inactive).

2. Why is Baekryun ranked higher than Molic One?
Wolkhaisong's influence cannot be greater than the Zahard Empire. Why is Wolkhaisong Leader more famous than Eldest of Three Lords?

3. Tu Perie
He is ranked higher than Blossom, while no member of his family has ever appeared, nor has anyone said that they are a strong family.
If it's not because he's strong, then does that mean his influence is too high?

 

[VON]

1. She is the daughter of Gustang and Blossom, and adoptive daughter of Zahard. That relationship layer would make it difficult for her to rank lower imo. That’s on top of her being of the ultimate bloodline and the peak of what a towerborne can be.

2. Baek Ryun is the boss of Urek Mazino. He can ORDER the strongest man in the tower to do something. I would guess that’s where most of his ranking is contributed from.

3. I would say so. He invented lighthouses and is still actively inventing things so that should play a large part in his ranking since he contributed alot to the tower directly.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Ehn, remember when SIU stated the reason why some towerborns rank higher than some FH's is because of literal recency bias since almost nobody has seen their strength displayed?


That might have to do with it so I guess it explains Enne's ranking, also might be because in-verse too I guess the towerborns believe she might become greater than her parents so vague potential bias too I guess.

Bark Ryun is believed to have climbed fairly quickly if I remember correctly, relatively speaking of course in comparison to the rest of the towerborns.

And it might be due to his association with Urek as the leader of Wolhaiksong which I guarantee is a big boon.

Tu Pierre I can't explain at all, that brotha is extremely void with zero hype and zero narrative support or feats, he's a pure anomaly other than the fact he fucked Ha sometime in the past before so I guess his ranking comes from there?

 

[XXGenesis]

Top 17 are a mix of Title, Notoriety & Power.

 

[Lonatian]

She is the daughter of Gustang and Blossom, and adoptive daughter of Zahard

Even though she is a princess, she cannot be stronger than Blossom or Gustang.
And the strangest thing is that she was sealed. Why is she not drop in rank?

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Bark Ryun is believed to have climbed fairly quickly if I remember correctly, relatively speaking of course in comparison to the rest of the towerborns.

Does climbing towers faster than normal towerborns affect rank?
Molic One was once the absolute ruler of the Molic area before Zahard became King.

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Baek Ryun is the boss of Urek Mazino. He can ORDER the strongest man in the tower to do something.

But Molic One is a powerful warrior not even Zahard could take lightly. He is of course the actual and most powerful ruler and his influence rivals that of a family head.
So even if Baekryun can order Urek (it seems Yuri can do too), it wouldn't make him more popular than the one who actually ruled the empire.

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he's a pure anomaly other than the fact he fucked Ha sometime in the past

Looks like you got it confused with Ari Han.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Does climbing towers faster than normal towerborns affect rank?
Molic One was once the absolute ruler of the Molic area before Zahard became King.

It should yeah, I mean Bark Ryun is super talented as we know it and Molic is.......just there I guess.

I know it was stated by someone that he's someone even Zahard can't take lightly but that likely he's nothing to do with strength, Z flat out can't be touched by tower borns as king and Molic is one.


So I guess it's an influence thingy as former ruler

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Looks like you got it confused with Ari Han.

Fuck! Yes, it was him.

I guess Tu Pierre truly has zero going for him ngl.

 

[Lonatian]

I guess Tu Pierre truly has zero going for him ngl.

Tu Perie is a case where we can only determine his existence thanks to the items he created. There is no information about his family.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Tu Perie is a case where we can only determine his existence thanks to the items he created. There is no information about his family.

Far as we're aware, the strongest thing he's ever made were the Opera lighthouse yeah?


Hm, guess since lighthouses are relevant in tog he's purely an influence ranking in comparison to the rest of the FH's alone.

 

[Azumungus]

At some point SIU stopped giving precise ranks to meaningful characters, so this rank list is outdated at least. Even relative ranking like top-100 looks unreliable nowadays, considering how many strong characters were introduced to the story. And we have seen only 2 (presumably weakest) families.

Not to mention that SIU already shuffled ranking system some time ago by moving Evankhell from top 64 to top-200.

Also for some reason we have Phant (who might be even excluded from story at this point) being a top-1, but ranking agency have no way to know that he is Axis. And hence they have no reason to believe that he is stronger than Enryu.

 

[Lonatian]

Also, Adori is not as good as Enne in terms of background, and even though she is not from the 10 Great Families, she is still considered the strongest princess.

She is the only known towerborn who has defeated an Advanced Ranker as a regular. Also, she is currently the Commander-in-Chief of Zahard's Army and the captain of Zahard's Royal Guards.

I can understand why she is ranked 7th. But I still don't understand why Enne is on par with Adori?

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Far as we're aware, the strongest thing he's ever made were the Opera lighthouse yeah?


Hm, guess since lighthouses are relevant in tog he's purely an influence ranking in comparison to the rest of the FH's alone.

Well, the character profile said that he use the Eyes of God, not Opera.

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At some point SIU stopped giving precise ranks to meaningful characters, so this rank list is outdated at least. Even relative ranking like top-100 looks unreliable nowadays, considering how many strong characters were introduced to the story. And we have seen only 2 (presumably weakest) families.

Not to mention that SIU already shuffled ranking system some time ago by moving Evankhell from top 64 to top-200.

Also for some reason we have Phant (who might be even excluded from story at this point) being a top-1, but ranking agency have no way to know that he is Axis. And hence they have no reason to believe that he is stronger than Enryu.

Somehow, the reputation-based rankings are a good way for us to not judge a person's strength based on that.

Also, I think it's possible that FUG or the anti-government people made Phanta famous. After all, compared to Enryu, he directly attacked the palace and killed countless high rankers of the Zahard family. It's a feat that needs to be widely publicized to easily bring down Zahard's reputation.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Well, the character profile said that he use the Eyes of God, not Opera.

Eyes of god?

Oh, yeah I remember it.

That's his personal lighthouse, might be the actual strongest one it seems.

Operas take second.

 

[Lonatian]

Eyes of god?

Oh, yeah I remember it.

That's his personal lighthouse, might be the actual strongest one it seems.

Operas take second.

Besides, there were only 3 Operas in existence. One is owned by a princess who was not part of his family. Another is owned by Flux (one of the Three Lords). The last one is held by Tu Perie.

And more miraculously, somehow Urek may have seen one. That means he met Flux or Tu Perie, I don't think he fought that princess

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Besides, there were only 3 Operas in existence. One is owned by a princess who was not part of his family. Another is owned by Flux (one of the Three Lords). The last one is held by Tu Perie.

And more miraculously, somehow Urek may have seen one. That means he met Flux or Tu Perie, I don't think he fought that princess

Tu Pierre personally gifting the princess an Opera is wild to me ngl.

And also yeah he musta met Tu Pierre down the line, Flux I don't see any history between em being possible, dude's too obscure.

Guess that's how he knew an Opera could only hold him for more than a millisecond like he said, but how and why they would come to possibly fight is unknown for now.


I see Tu Pierre as a very chill dude in my mind.

 

[Lonatian]

Enne is actually ranked very high for her achievements.
Baekryun is actually ranked too high just because he is Urek's superior.
Tu Perie has too little information for the reputation he has.
And now
- Enne is sealed, and I haven't seen Gustang make any move to save her. Does he want to save her?
- Baekryun has always been neutral, but why did he know about Red Dump?
- Tu Perie and his family are too chill to appear even once.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

1. Why is Enne's rank so high?

2. Why is Baekryun ranked higher than Molic One?
an Eldest of Three Lords?

3. Tu Perie

1. SIU himself went out of his way to explain why Enne is ranked above the FHs, He told Enne is ranked so high because her battle left a great impact and the family heads combat abilities are unknown.

2. Who knows, we can only guess Baek is stronger or more influential than Molic or even the both things.

3. Tu Perie was the most active family head in the blogs.

 

[Lonatian]

1. SIU himself went out of his way to explain why Enne is ranked above the FHs, He told Enne is ranked so high because her battle left a great impact and the family heads combat abilities are unknown.

Where did you get this information?
Also, like I said, even though Enne was sealed, she didn't drop in rank like the others. That's absurd. Phanta and Enryu's case is different, they are irregulars, and their achievements are at a higher level of influence.

2. Who knows, we can only guess Baek is stronger or more influential than Molic or even the both things.

Molic One is a powerful warrior not even Zahard could take lightly. And more importantly, he is the one who actually rules this empire.

3. Tu Perie was the most active family head in the blogs.

And he never showed up in the story, not even his family appeared. For me, Gustang is more active than him.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Where did you get this information?
Also, like I said, even though Enne was sealed, she didn't drop in rank like the others. That's absurd. Phanta and Enryu's case is different, they are irregulars, and their achievements are at a higher level of influence.


Molic One is a powerful warrior not even Zahard could take lightly. And more importantly, he is the one who actually rules this empire.

And he never showed up in the story, not even his family appeared. For me, Gustang is more active than him.

Info released at the start of Season 2. Also, why is It so absurd she didn't drop in the rankings? Enne is a legendary high ranker and probably the one with most feats in the modern story of the tower. Everyone else is featless compared to Enne.

Molic is strong for sure, but Baek is ranked higher then SIU is implying he is one of stronger or more influential than Molic.

There is no rank for them in the actual Webtoon story. That's blog info, and through blog infos, Tu Perie was really active.

 

[Lonatian]

Info released at the start of Season 2. Also, why is It so absurd she didn't drop in the rankings? Enne is a legendary high ranker and probably the one with most feats in the modern story of the tower. Everyone else is featless compared to Enne.

Enne first appeared in the second half of season 2. But you said it was known from the beginning of season 2. Even her character profile didn't mention it.
Her achievements can't be compared to the family head or the organization leaders.
In this ranking, only she, Phanta, Enryu are inactive but still high in rank. But at least the other 2 are irregulars.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Enne first appeared in the second half of season 2. But you said it was known from the beginning of season 2. Even her character profile didn't mention it.
Her achievements can't be compared to the family head or the organization leaders.
In this ranking, only she, Phanta, Enryu are inactive but still high in rank. But at least the other 2 are irregulars.

I guess you are new reader. I see why you are arguing this and that, but first you need to understand the blogs as we've known for over 10 years are not canon unless they are showed in the webtoon. Molic is not even confirmed to be a real character yet. So when you start a thread about a raking that is not even confirmed to be canon, you're likely to get those old info as explanation which was posted by SIU in the forums.

We've known Enne and other characters profiles long before they made their debut, but character profiles are only a small part of what SIU posted. The outdated info like rankings and curiosity about the three lords, tower structure, or even the twitter posts and the Cafe posts when SIU used to talk with the readers directly can't be used as basis for any direct statement unless they are showed in the webtoon. So, SIU's statement about why Enne is ranked higher or Tu Perie's rank is just info based on the info he posted on his blogs and cafe talk.

The info I told you was posted by SIU. There are many of them, but you will probably need to find them in the old batoto's forum or even the cafe itself.

 

[Lonatian]

I guess you are new reader. I see why you are arguing this and that, but first you need to understand the blogs as we've known for over 10 years are not canon unless they are showed in the webtoon. Molic is not even confirmed to be a real character yet. So when you start a thread about a raking that is not even confirmed to be canon, you're likely to get those old info as explanation which was posted by SIU in the forums.

We've known Enne and other characters profiles long before they made their debut, but character profiles are only a small part of what SIU posted. The outdated info like rankings and curiosity about the three lords, tower structure, or even the twitter posts and the Cafe posts when SIU used to talk with the readers directly can't be used as basis for any direct statement unless they are showed in the webtoon. So, SIU's statement about why Enne is ranked higher or Tu Perie's rank is just info based on the info he posted on his blogs and cafe talk.

The info I told you was posted by SIU. There are many of them, but you will probably need to find them in the old batoto's forum or even the cafe itself.

That's actually what I wanted to ask.
Because I couldn't find that information on any site from Blogpost, Naver Fancafe, X (Twitter), etc.
Even the wiki (which they usually add context to as they feel) doesn't say that.
So please find that quote again. Or I'll believe you're mistaken.