Discussion Ranking the Irregulars

[shaheer]

Well this is a simple enough thread. Since the Towers of Gods power structure more or less ensures that the ones who are termed as irregular will ultimately be the strongest and their powers will outshine others it is more interesting to note the powerlevel between the irregulars. That is how do you guys rank them?
Personally i find and this is totally speculative my top 4 would be Phanta(he is an exis) > Full powered Baam(ie when he reaches his potentially totallly)= Enryu > Zahard > Urek.
I didnt list the family leaders but i think there is almost a concensus that Arie family is the strongest followed by Koon.. right?

 

[Kadir0]

Yeah, Koon family is always inferior to Arie family, same goes for the heads. About the irregulars, well yeah, i'd put Baam 3rd (his potential is monstrous) behind Enryu, cause catching up to Enryu, may take time.

 

[Demonspeed]

Is it only to rank the Irregulars or all the fighters we know? Phantaminium is the strongest but we don't know if Enryu or Mazino are above or weaker than Zahard. Enryu didn't fight Zahard and is ranked higher because of his achievements.

Hon is confirmed to be the strongest of the 10 of the 10 families and Eduan is his rival. The Arie family is the most powerful overall but I am not sure the Koon family is N.2. It's said they are also rivals with the Ha family so they might be stronger than the Koon family overall.

 

[Kadir0]

Is it only to rank the Irregulars or all the fighters we know? Phantaminium is the strongest but we don't know if Enryu or Mazino are above or weaker than Zahard. Enryu didn't fight Zahard and is ranked higher because of his achievements.

Hon is confirmed to be the strongest of the 10 of the 10 families and Eduan is his rival. The Arie family is the most powerful overall but I am not sure the Koon family is N.2. It's said they are also rivals with the Ha family so they might be stronger than the Koon family overall.

What did Phanta do that put him above Enryu? kill a couple of guards? Enryu killed a freaking guardian, i doubt anyone in the tower tower knows that Phanta is an axis (except maybe Headon), it makes me wonder why they put him above Enryu. well, i think i agree, achievements plays a bigger role than brute, Evan is top 100 but he's weak in combat.

 

[Demonspeed]

What did Phanta do that put him above Enryu? kill a couple of guards? Enryu killed a freaking guardian, i doubt anyone in the tower tower knows that Phanta is an axis (except maybe Headon), it makes me wonder why they put him above Enryu. well, i think i agree, achievements plays a bigger role than brute, Evan is top 100 but he's weak in combat.

SIU confirmed that Phantaminium is the strongest character. You can't beat an Axis if you are not one yourself. Phantaminium is the only Axis known so far. I don't think Evan is weak, but he's probably middle or low tier among the Rankers/High Rankers.

 

[Kadir0]

SIU confirmed that Phantaminium is the strongest character. You can't beat an Axis if you are not one yourself. Phantaminium is the only Axis known so far. I don't think Evan is weak, but he's probably middle or low tier among the Rankers/High Rankers.

I know SIU confirmed that Phanta is an axis in his blogpost, but this ranking is the perspective of the tower, i doubt they know he's an axis, they know little of the irregulars, let alone axis gods.(otherwise Urek wouldn't have complained about why his rank is lower than Phanta)

 

[Demonspeed]

I know SIU confirmed that Phanta is an axis in his blogpost, but this ranking is the perspective of the tower, i doubt they know he's an axis, they know little of the irregulars, let alone axis gods.(otherwise Urek wouldn't have complained about why his rank is lower than Phanta)

They don't know he is an Axis. But to us and many people living in the Tower, Phantaminium is mysterious. I think at least one of the three Sages saw him in action or/and knows some of his feats.

 

[shaheer]

Is it only to rank the Irregulars or all the fighters we know? Phantaminium is the strongest but we don't know if Enryu or Mazino are above or weaker than Zahard. Enryu didn't fight Zahard and is ranked higher because of his achievements.

Hon is confirmed to be the strongest of the 10 of the 10 families and Eduan is his rival. The Arie family is the most powerful overall but I am not sure the Koon family is N.2. It's said they are also rivals with the Ha family so they might be stronger than the Koon family overall.

Rank the irregulars that we know. Including the family leaders. And where would you place Baam when he reaches his full potential.

 

[Demonspeed]

Rank the irregulars that we know. Including the family leaders. And where would you place Baam when he reaches his full potential.

Are you saying that the 10 Warriors are Irregulars? I don't think it's the case. As for Baam, above Zahard for sure, with the recent comparison I believe he is meant to surpass him. But there is no way to know if Zahard is stronger or weaker than Enryu and Mazino as of now.

Maybe Baam will evolve into an Axis, stronger than Phantaminium too who knows.

 

[Kadir0]

Are you saying that the 10 Warriors are Irregulars? I don't think it's the case.

What? The 10 family heads are irregulars.

 

[Demonspeed]

What? The 10 family heads are irregulars.

Really? When? I don't remember that. I think they are special Regulars but Regulars nonetheless. When people talk about Irregulars it's always Enryu and Urek. Disliked because they are troublesome in the Tower. If Zahard was an Irregular I don't think they would be disliked.

 

[Kadir0]

Really? When? I don't remember that. I think they are special Regulars but Regulars nonetheless. When people talk about Irregulars it's always Enryu and Urek.

They came from outside the tower, they entered the tower with Zahard, they are an irregulars. Rachel is also an irregular, so it's always those special among the irregulars that will get the attention.

 

[Demonspeed]

They came from outside the tower, they entered the tower with Zahard, they are an irregulars. Rachel is also an irregular, so it's always those special among the irregulars that will get the attention.

If we strictly follow the definition that an Irregular is someone who entered in the Tower of his own will yes they are but I don't think it's that simple. In the story they are never really treated like that. Zahard entered in the Tower by himself along with his companions, conquered it while forming contracts with the Guardians but an Irregular doesn't have contract. I think they are in between, they entered by themselves and can use some abilities similar to Irregulars(free control of Shinsoo, which is why they were able to train with Thor) but the various contracts change things.

 

[Spirit]

Really? When? I don't remember that. I think they are special Regulars but Regulars nonetheless. When people talk about Irregulars it's always Enryu and Urek. Disliked because they are troublesome in the Tower. If Zahard was an Irregular I don't think they would be disliked.

That's shaky ground anyway, as the whole system of Regulars and Irregulars, Floor Administrators and Rankers etc where only implemented once Zahard opened the doors of the Tower. I'm not sure of he could be deemed' an Irregular because such a thing didn't exist back then... right?

 

[Kadir0]

Really? When? I don't remember that. I think they are special Regulars but Regulars nonetheless. When people talk about Irregulars it's always Enryu and Urek. Disliked because they are troublesome in the Tower. If Zahard was an Irregular I don't think they would be disliked.

Well, they aren't treated like that because Zahard and them are treated like one. I mean they are with Zahard and have his back, so the system doesn't think of them as an enemy.They went through the revolution that Zahard took and the God of Guardian said only irregulars can take them. And i can't spoil you yet, but soon you'll also find out something about them and the immortality contract.

 

[Jammin]

I think the ultimate ranking is going to go.

1. Phantaminum
2. Baam
3. Enryu
4. Zahard
5. Rachel
   
6. Urek Mazino

Phantaminum, I think, is going to be one of those weird existances that's close to a plot device. That's why I think he'll stay the strongest but also somewhat neutral to everything that goes on.

Baam as the protagonist is going to rise to the top and clear the tower. That's why I place him second. He's going to overcome everything.

Enryu is a more violent being. So I think he's perfect "Last Boss" material.

Zahard is strong but I think we'll find him to be a character whose strength is kind of fixed. Like he's at his level cap. And after the things Baam's teacher in the hell train said I'm expecting him to be kind of a parallel for Baam in some ways. An example of how good intentions can go wrong. And something he'll confront and surpass.

Rachel is going to get stronger and become a more threatening entity as she uses despicable means to gain as much power as she can get her grubby little hands on. This is something I've always believed about her. I suspect in the end she's going to become the true FUG Slayer.

Urek Mazino I don't see getting much stronger than he is now. Which is plenty strong but sadly that will put him at the rear end of the pack.

 

[kkck]

Didn't SIU say phantaminum is not going to be featured in TOG? The guy is basically an omnipotent god anyways, including him in the ranking altogether is pointless. As the situation stands a billion billion billion mazinos would stand literally 0% chance of defeating phantaminum.

As for "level caps" those will definitely be a thing among the strongest characters in the story. When the story started the point was made that different people have different potential and talent and limits....

As for the ranking, odds are that the ones presented in the story are relatively accurate.

 

[syx]

Really? When? I don't remember that. I think they are special Regulars but Regulars nonetheless. When people talk about Irregulars it's always Enryu and Urek. Disliked because they are troublesome in the Tower. If Zahard was an Irregular I don't think they would be disliked.

If we strictly follow the definition that an Irregular is someone who entered in the Tower of his own will yes they are but I don't think it's that simple. In the story they are never really treat

The 10 Great Warriors are - in the truest sense of the word - Irregulars like Urek, Enryu, Phantaminum and Zahard himself. They are by no means special Regulars. The reason why they are not thrown in the same box as Urek or Enryu is because they are the founders of the current empire. The whole Regular system didn’t even exist before said foundation, so the terms "Regular" and "Irregular" were non-existent and kinda don't apply to them.
Furthermore, the reason why Irregulars are disliked originates solely from Phantaminum’s assault on the "Zahard family". Since this attack, Irregulars are labeled as something like "terrorists". And that makes sense, since Irregulars are the only legit threats to the Zahard empire and Zahard himself. The reason why the 10 Great Warriors seem to be excluded here is because they are - seen as - loyal followers of Zahard, simple as that.

Theoretically, the 10 Great Warriors could do the same shit as any other Irregular (killing Guardians? Violating contracts? Killing Zahard?), given they are "powerful" enough. But it seems that’s not the case. Arie Hon only follows Zahard, because he lost to him 10 times out of 10 fights. And Hon is rumored to be the strongest fighter of the 10 Great Warriors, which means there is quite a huge gap between them and Zahard.

Didn't SIU say phantaminum is not going to be featured in TOG? The guy is basically an omnipotent god anyways, including him in the ranking altogether is pointless. As the situation stands a billion billion billion mazinos would stand literally 0% chance of defeating phantaminum.

SIU stated that he doesn't know if Phantaminum will appear or not, since his character goes beyond the "Tower of God universe". Truth to be told, it wouldn't make any sense for Phantaminum to appear in Tower of God. He is - as you said - the god of the ToG story and one of the top 5 Axis in the Talse Uzer Story, a being who is stated to be powerful enough to destroy the ToG story instantly. As the author of the ToG story, he doesn't need to appear or interact with anyone. He can do as he pleases.

 

[shaheer]

I don't think the 10 great leaders are as powerful as Enryu to come near killing the admins. Enryu is an odd case in which i am kind a surprised almost always that the tower which doesn't know what an exis is and keeps Phanta no 1 while Enryu no 2. Phanta at best killed say 100 high ranker. Big deal Enryu killed a whole frigging guardian.
It would have been sensible if 2-3 family head were killed zahard ran for his life etc for Phanta to be no 1

 

[kkck]

I don't think the 10 great leaders are as powerful as Enryu to come near killing the admins. Enryu is an odd case in which i am kind a surprised almost always that the tower which doesn't know what an exis is and keeps Phanta no 1 while Enryu no 2. Phanta at best killed say 100 high ranker. Big deal Enryu killed a whole frigging guardian.
It would have been sensible if 2-3 family head were killed zahard ran for his life etc for Phanta to be no 1

Well, enryu is without a doubt powerful but we don't actually know of the circumstances behind him defeating the administrator. We know he used a thorn and even about that we know little. It is entirely possible, however, that the main reason enryu pulled this of was the thorn to begin with.