Discussion Ranking the Irregulars

[shaheer]

very true.I can understand why Enryu and Urek rose in ranking over the heads but not why Adori Euresia Baek Ryn did if its solely about power. The 10 are maddeningly powerful and immortal and almost undefeatable unless they are fighting among themselves.

--- Double Post Merged, May 12, 2018, Original Post Date: Apr 21, 2018 ---

Guys here is my updated top 3 ranking of the first irregulars who entered the tower
Zahard>V> Arie hon=Kuhn. The V s rank is just from my gut feeling.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Jahad > Arie > Eduan

 

[Siya101]

somehow i feel V was the strongest among the 13

dont know just me

 

[shaheer]

somehow i feel V was the strongest among the 13

dont know just me

I think V was tad weaker than Zahard otherwise it wouldn't be a challenge to Bam. Bam is Arlene and V s heir by shonen logic that means Bams potential > Vs. For him to feel the challenge when facing Zahard, V has to be a tad weaker than Zahard.
Where do you guys think Arlene fits?

 

[Ripcord]

I think V was tad weaker than Zahard otherwise it wouldn't be a challenge to Bam. Bam is Arlene and V s heir by shonen logic that means Bams potential > Vs. For him to feel the challenge when facing Zahard, V has to be a tad weaker than Zahard.
Where do you guys think Arlene fits?

I would guess Arlene was the weakest or one of the weakest in terms of battle prowess but her spells had unique value... like hitting the jackpot. That’s my guess anyway.

 

[kkck]

The only reference we have about arlen is her ability to use spells but that seems mostly unrelated to shinsoo so far. Spells work under rules mostly unknown to us but at least based on what we have seen there is potential for spells to be insanely broken. If spells work more like magic that requires preparation then odds are that arlen's strength was somewhat situational.

 

[Demonspeed]

My guess:

Enryu> Zahard and Urek> V> Hon> Eduan> Blossom> Yurin> Gustang> Hana> Bloodmadder> Arlene> Tperie.

Story-wise, it makes sense for Zahard to be stronger than Urek but Urek himself is a weird variable in all of this. I wonder what SIU is planning with him. I think he might be stronger than Zahard, he is not portrayed as inferior at least. I wonder how they compare as the top Fishermen. I hope we'll at least Urek's attribute in this data world.

Didn't rank Han and the Lo Po Bia's heads. They are even more mysterious than V and Arlen. The Ari must be related to the Arie in a way but we heard nothing about it or their clan in general. I think the Lo Po Bia head is stronger than Gustang at best and Han maybe above Eduan.

very true.I can understand why Enryu and Urek rose in ranking over the heads but not why Adori Euresia Baek Ryn did if its solely about power. The 10 are maddeningly powerful and immortal and almost undefeatable unless they are fighting among themselves.

--- Double Post Merged, May 12, 2018, Original Post Date: Apr 21, 2018 ---

Guys here is my updated top 3 ranking of the first irregulars who entered the tower
Zahard>V> Arie hon=Kuhn. The V s rank is just from my gut feeling.

Hon is stated to be strongest of the 10 so he should be stronger than Eduan. But maybe things have changed.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Arlene was never really hyped to be strong but she uses spells.

like @Ripcord said, she might not be great in battle prowess but her spells could be OP af.

as for V, he was the best at using Tension.

he had a few conflicts with Jahad when they were climbing but nothing overly serious (their conflict was probably on the level of Eduan vs Jahad in the previous chapters) so I would rate him below Arie, Eduan and Blossom.

BUT I wouldn't be surprised if SIU makes V to be above Arie considering the Baam wank.

he is his father so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Siya101]

shinsu is the embodiment of the tower (technically) and someone who can maximise it higher than zahard has more powerful shinsu than zahard so his enforcement would be powerful, his bangs would be powerful and so on
zahard sure is without a doubt strong but i think in the arie vs zahard case if it was V vs zahard if feel it would be more like 5-5
in my opinion:
zahard is strong
V is powerful

Dont know not sure but i believe this to be true

 

[Demonspeed]

shinsu is the embodiment of the tower (technically) and someone who can maximise it higher than zahard has more powerful shinsu than zahard so his enforcement would be powerful, his bangs would be powerful and so on
zahard sure is without a doubt strong but i think in the arie vs zahard case if it was V vs zahard if feel it would be more like 5-5
in my opinion:
zahard is strong
V is powerful

Dont know not sure but i believe this to be true

Combat power is not all about Shinsoo. The properties of the attacks matter, the type of attacks and stuff. Shinsoo reinforcement also exists which is a combination of physical power with Shinsoo power. If being a better and/or more powerful Shinsoo user is enough to make you stronger then Blossom, Gustang and Hana should be stronger than Zahard as well.

What matters the most is the whole package.

 

[Siya101]

Combat power is not all about Shinsoo. The properties of the attacks matter, the type of attacks and stuff. Shinsoo reinforcement also exists which is a combination of physical power with Shinsoo power. If being a better and/or more powerful Shinsoo user is enough to make you stronger then Blossom, Gustang and Hana should be stronger than Zahard as well.

What matters the most is the whole package.

the difference in shinsu between blossom and gustang against v is that gustang and blossom were more skilled with it but v had more powerful shinsu (it packed a punch) because he had powerful tension in his shinsu

 

[kkck]

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the difference in shinsu between blossom and gustang against v is that gustang and blossom were more skilled with it but v had more powerful shinsu (it packed a punch) because he had powerful tension in his shinsu

I am not sure if v having more tension means he automatically had stronger shinsoo than either. Skill at manipulating shinsoo is also a factor here and we have no idea of what type of fighter he was. Speculating he was similar to bam makes sense but it is just that, speculation. You can be born with talents differing from those of your family after all. Take yura ha, she has talents that are very different from those of the ha family. Enne was a fisherman and we know her parents were wave controllers. Then again, her becoming a princess probably helped her become a fisherman so she is a bit of a fuzzy example.

And there is a good chance that bams talents are a mix of those of his patents. Maybe bam got outstanding tension from v and shinsoo control for arlen. Or maybe v had insane physical capacity which bam did not inherit.

 

[Demonspeed]

the difference in shinsu between blossom and gustang against v is that gustang and blossom were more skilled with it but v had more powerful shinsu (it packed a punch) because he had powerful tension in his shinsu

I was talking about Blossom, Gustang and Hana compared to Zahard. If better Shinsoo automatically makes you better then they should be stronger than Zahard, bu they are not.

 

[Siya101]

the difference with v and eurasia is that eurasia was more skilled at shinsu than v and technically since v carried a needle and had a powerful shinsu output than that would make him a fisherman and wave controller like yeon hana

now to the point sure shinsu control doesnt make you stronger but it makes your techniques stronger and since Vs shinsu was powerful and in fact more powerful than zahard than that makes his shinsu stronger with more effect and v is not stronger than zahard or vice versa until stated

like to enter into a top university you have to excel in a number of fields so for someone to be the strongest they have to fulfil the criteria and all the top wave controllers you mentioned only fullfil one of the set criteria and not all

 

[Demon Hunter]

for me, Jahad is stronger.

V had the best tension but that's it really.

Ha Yurin would most likely destroy him in physical confrontation.

current Jahad would most likely mop the floor with every FH easily (one on one ofc).

I don't know where people get this idea that V is equal or stronger than Jahad or Arie for that matter.

probably because he is the father of MC.

 

[kkck]

I am not sure yurin would destroy zahard in a physical confrontation. As far as we know zahard is the one with the stronger physical strength meanwhile yuri is the one with the stronger shinsoo reinforcement. It depends on the sheer extent of zahard's physical capacity but it shouldn't be impossible that zahard's physical strength plus reinforcement ends up surpassing yurin's own physical strength plus reinforcement. Physical strength does count for quite a bit in the tower after all, it's basically a prerequisite to be a fisherman and in general fisherman is the position that demands the greatest overall power.

Zahard still remains the most well balanced fighter we have seen to date. SIU has made the point quite a few times that zahard has astonishing physical strength and also happens to be one of the best shinsoo users in the tower (of course, still inferior to several of his companions). Zahard is about as close as it gets to a full package when it comes to combat within the tower.

As for V vs zahard, for the sake of context zahard should be the stronger one. The story wouldn't really gain anything from V being the stronger one even if it turns out to be the case.

 

[shaheer]

V had the best tension but that's it really.

Ha Yurin would most likely destroy him in physical confrontation.

By that standard Zahard should have destroyed Bam in first few sec of their fight, but lo and behold Bam is hitting back more or less equally and sustaining himself by the tension he learned (as noted by zahard).
We saw the strongest physically powered non ranker regular to date (machenny) being ripped apart by Zahard without being really serious and then a really physically weak boy with abnormal shinsoo power thrashing zahard with his original attack and orb.
If V met Yurin in a fight i am not sure what would happen but if its best tension vs Yurins body reinforcements and anything goes then i think V could wipe the floor with anyone other than zahard.

 

[Demonspeed]

Yes, Zahard should definitely be the strongest. But Yurin destroying V in a physical confrontation, hard to picture that. She is probably better than him but we don't know much about V, he had the best Tension, a needle and Orb(pretty much confirmed since Zahard said it's an attribute for those who have a naturally powerful Tension) but we don't know his position and his skills at close range. They are not limited to close ranged attacks in fights anyway.

By that standard Zahard should have destroyed Bam in first few sec of their fight, but lo and behold Bam is hitting back more or less equally and sustaining himself by the tension he learned (as noted by zahard).
We saw the strongest physically powered non ranker regular to date (machenny) being ripped apart by Zahard without being really serious and then a really physically weak boy with abnormal shinsoo power thrashing zahard with his original attack and orb.
If V met Yurin in a fight i am not sure what would happen but if its best tension vs Yurins body reinforcements and anything goes then i think V could wipe the floor with anyone other than zahard.

This is not really the same. Baam was keeping up but he was on the defensive and he did all of this by using his skills and more importantly his instinct. Without his genius instinct Baam would have been unable to protect himself from Zahard's attacks like that.

Maschenny would have died for sure, but she is much weaker than Baam in the first place.

 

[shaheer]

This is not really the same. Baam was keeping up but he was on the defensive and he did all of this by using his skills and more importantly his instinct. Without his genius instinct Baam would have been unable to protect himself from Zahard's attacks like that.

Maschenny would have died for sure, but she is much weaker than Baam in the first place.

Machenny prolly was stronger than Bam or just as powerful when they came in. Also Bam was defensive till he started to use his own power. After that they seemed to be more or less equal. Eudan fought with zahard more or less equally ofcourse in a fight to death that would be a different issue. I cant see Yurin 'destroying' V after the hype SIU created for V via Data Eudan.

 

[Demon Hunter]

By that standard Zahard should have destroyed Bam in first few sec of their fight, but lo and behold Bam is hitting back more or less equally and sustaining himself by the tension he learned (as noted by zahard).
We saw the strongest physically powered non ranker regular to date (machenny) being ripped apart by Zahard without being really serious and then a really physically weak boy with abnormal shinsoo power thrashing zahard with his original attack and orb.
If V met Yurin in a fight i am not sure what would happen but if its best tension vs Yurins body reinforcements and anything goes then i think V could wipe the floor with anyone other than zahard.

hm you have a point.

I exaggerated a bit.

I don't think anyone could wipe the floor with each other when they were climbing.

the difference between the Great Warriors probably was slight.

currently, it's probably bigger.

as for V, I don't rate him that high.

--- Double Post Merged, May 25, 2018, Original Post Date: May 25, 2018 ---

I am not sure yurin would destroy zahard in a physical confrontation. As far as we know zahard is the one with the stronger physical strength meanwhile yuri is the one with the stronger shinsoo reinforcement. It depends on the sheer extent of zahard's physical capacity but it shouldn't be impossible that zahard's physical strength plus reinforcement ends up surpassing yurin's own physical strength plus reinforcement. Physical strength does count for quite a bit in the tower after all, it's basically a prerequisite to be a fisherman and in general fisherman is the position that demands the greatest overall power.

Zahard still remains the most well balanced fighter we have seen to date. SIU has made the point quite a few times that zahard has astonishing physical strength and also happens to be one of the best shinsoo users in the tower (of course, still inferior to several of his companions). Zahard is about as close as it gets to a full package when it comes to combat within the tower.

As for V vs zahard, for the sake of context zahard should be the stronger one. The story wouldn't really gain anything from V being the stronger one even if it turns out to be the case.

yeah, I agree.

I overexaggerated a bit.

just saying that some GW were better than others at doing something.