Discussion Ranking the Sins

[Tristan]

I can already foresee Mel (in his demon-god mode) smashing the Sins (including Escanor) before Elizabeth stops him with her Love and Nakama speech. That's for sure .. I guess

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 19, 2016, Original Post Date: Oct 18, 2016 ---

BTW, according to Jaiminibox translation, the Demon king has already confirmed Prime Meliodas to be the MOST powerful Demon

 

[LivewireToriko]

I can already foresee Mel (in his demon-god mode) smashing the Sins (including Escanor) before Elizabeth stops him with her Love and Nakama speech. That's for sure .. I guess

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 19, 2016, Original Post Date: Oct 18, 2016 ---

BTW, according to Jaiminibox translation, the Demon king has already confirmed Prime Meliodas to be the MOST powerful Demon

Woah!!!!!!!!!

Shocking completely shocking!!!!!!!

I completely forgot about that!!!!!!

I also forgot the Demon King met Escanor three thousand years ago, so of course he knows how strong he is. Way more knowledgable about how strong both are than Merlin of course.

Well that settles it.

Meliodas is the strongest character in the series, I'll get a Meliodas avatar, and join the Meliodas avatar army and spread the good news that lord Meliodas is at 1/100000000 of his full power and has still has 15 more transformations like the other Meliodas avatars, as well as our leader Lord Tarxan!!!!!!!

Base, a demon Mark, full demon Mark, lost control form, completely taken control of form, and supreme demon ultimate transformation form.

Which puts his power level undoubtedly over 1 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meliodas statements about being the strongest demon completely overshadow the statements that enforce the implication that Escanor is the strongest being/man/character period obviously.

Because there's absolutely no way both statements can be true. Mel
Being the strongest demon, while Escanor is the strongest being/man/character everyone included.

No false equivalency there. Those statements are obviously completely contradictory, so if Mel is the strongest demon he's just the strongest character.

You've completely opened up my eyes.

What do you think my Meliodas avatar should be?

Edit: Nevermind. I decided.

Praise Meliodas!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bigbootyjudy]

Woah!!!!!!!!!

Shocking completely shocking!!!!!!!

I completely forgot about that!!!!!!

I also forgot the Demon King met Escanor three thousand years ago, so of course he knows how strong he is. Way more knowledgable about how strong both are than Merlin of course.

Well that settles it.

Meliodas is the strongest character in the series, I'll get a Meliodas avatar, and join the Meliodas avatar army and spread the good news that lord Meliodas is at 1/100000000 of his full power and has still has 15 more transformations like the other Meliodas avatars, as well as our leader Lord Tarxan!!!!!!!

Base, a demon Mark, full demon Mark, lost control form, completely taken control of form, and supreme demon ultimate transformation form.

Which puts his power level undoubtedly over 1 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meliodas statements about being the strongest demon completely overshadow the statements that enforce the implication that Escanor is the strongest being/man/character period obviously.

Because there's absolutely no way both statements can be true. Mel
Being the strongest demon, while Escanor is the strongest being/man/character everyone included.

No false equivalency there. Those statements are obviously completely contradictory, so if Mel is the strongest demon he's just the strongest character.

You've completely opened up my eyes.

What do you think my Meliodas avatar should be?

You recall that Escanor's max power 11:30 am-12:30 pm only lasts an hour right? Before that time even Estarossa was stomping him and would have beaten him if not for his power creep. People undersestimate Escanor's limitar, but there's a reason Nakaba included it. Escanor only has a certain amount of time where he can be at max power, and once that time is up he's vulnerable (this time is like, 99% of the rest of the time). Meliodas does not have the fatal problem that Escanor has.

Meliodas managed to keep a war between Goddesses and Demons evenly matched, just by himself. Keep in mind that Goddess magic is super effective against Demons and that they could have had the other races combined with them to fight the Demons. Except they didn't, they waited until Meliodas bowed out, and only then did they decide to finally deal with the Demon clan once and for all.

I think it's pretty clear that !primeMel is the strongest being in this manga, hands down.

 

[LivewireToriko]

You recall that Escanor's max power 11:30 am-12:30 pm only lasts an hour right? Before that time even Estarossa was stomping him and would have beaten him if not for his power creep. People undersestimate Escanor's limitar, but there's a reason Nakaba included it. Escanor only has a certain amount of time where he can be at max power, and once that time is up he's vulnerable (this time is like, 99% of the rest of the time). Meliodas does not have the fatal problem that Escanor has.

Meliodas managed to keep a war between Goddesses and Demons evenly matched, just by himself. Keep in mind that Goddess magic is super effective against Demons and that they could have had the other races combined with them to fight the Demons. Except they didn't, they waited until Meliodas bowed out, and only then did they decide to finally deal with the Demon clan once and for all.

I think it's pretty clear that !primeMel is the strongest being in this manga, hands down.

Nobody said Mel wasn't more practical, stronger most of the time.

The current implication is that AT HIS BEST, AND ONLY IS BEST, Escanor is the strongest being period.

Mel hasn't acquired a single feat or character statement that remotely contradicts or brings into question that relationship in power between them.

 

[Isaiah Thomas]

Nobody said Mel wasn't more practical, stronger most of the time.

The current implication is that AT HIS BEST, AND ONLY IS BEST, Escanor is the strongest being period.

Mel hasn't acquired a single feat or character statement that remotely contradicts or brings into question that relationship in power between them.

If Escanor is stronger then Prime Meliodas Escanor will never have a good fight because everybody fears Prime Meliodas.

 

[Rescorlian]

Well, being a keyboard warrior is fun from times to times, let's do this !

You recall that Escanor's max power 11:30 am-12:30 pm only lasts an hour right? Before that time even Estarossa was stomping him and would have beaten him if not for his power creep. People undersestimate Escanor's limitar, but there's a reason Nakaba included it. Escanor only has a certain amount of time where he can be at max power, and once that time is up he's vulnerable (this time is like, 99% of the rest of the time). Meliodas does not have the fatal problem that Escanor has.

Meliodas managed to keep a war between Goddesses and Demons evenly matched, just by himself. Keep in mind that Goddess magic is super effective against Demons and that they could have had the other races combined with them to fight the Demons. Except they didn't, they waited until Meliodas bowed out, and only then did they decide to finally deal with the Demon clan once and for all.

I think it's pretty clear that !primeMel is the strongest being in this manga, hands down.

? Stomping him ? Did you read the fight ? Escanor let Estarossa hit him and the beginning, and was unscratched. The only damage Escanor had was from his own attacks, because Estarossa is the perfect counter against physical fighters. Escanor was faster and stronger than Estarossa before 11:30, as shown how Estarossa was put down by a single punch eventhough he guarded. And then Estarossa didnt even see Escanor's cruel sun moving.

Last but not least, Merlin says : "Escanor at noon surpasses easily any other sins". In which language will you get it ? Merlin knew Meliodas' prime form back then.

 

[LivewireToriko]

If Escanor is stronger then Prime Meliodas Escanor will never have a good fight because everybody fears Prime Meliodas.

And I'm done.

I'm not having this debate.

You guys are letting feelings cloud reading comprehension and contextual understanding.

Mel might be stronger and that's fine.

Absolutely nothing supports that opinion in the manga at the moment.

That's the reality of the situation.

Bye.

 

[Isaiah Thomas]

Well, being a keyboard warrior is fun from times to times, let's do this !


? Stomping him ? Did you read the fight ? Escanor let Estarossa hit him and the beginning, and was unscratched. The only damage Escanor had was from his own attacks, because Estarossa is the perfect counter against physical fighters. Escanor was faster and stronger than Estarossa before 11:30, as shown how Estarossa was put down by a single punch eventhough he guarded. And then Estarossa didnt even see Escanor's cruel sun moving.

Last but not least, Merlin says : "Escanor at noon surpasses easily any other sins". In which language will you get it ? Merlin knew Meliodas' prime form back then.

Im guessing the cheap shot uppercut Estarosaa gave Escanor which cause Escanor to bleed is unscratch. I'm not saying it hurt Escanor but it did more damage then Galland.

If Escanor is stronger then Prime Meliodas it is what it is but it make no sense since everybody feared Prime Meliodas and the DK said Prime Meliodas is the most powerful demon. What will be the point of his character if he is stronger then the person everybody is afraid of I highly doubt its 2 fight Prime Meliodas because it make more sense for Elizabeth 2 bring him back.

 

[Bigbootyjudy]

Nobody said Mel wasn't more practical, stronger most of the time.

The current implication is that AT HIS BEST, AND ONLY IS BEST, Escanor is the strongest being period.

Mel hasn't acquired a single feat or character statement that remotely contradicts or brings into question that relationship in power between them.

I thought we were talking holistically? As a whole, !PrimeMel would beat Escanor, but in a perfect battle (no limiters on Escanor), Escanor could probably win. I don't see any discrepancy in our statements

If Escanor is stronger then Prime Meliodas Escanor will never have a good fight because everybody fears Prime Meliodas.

Well, being a keyboard warrior is fun from times to times, let's do this !


? Stomping him ? Did you read the fight ? Escanor let Estarossa hit him and the beginning, and was unscratched. The only damage Escanor had was from his own attacks, because Estarossa is the perfect counter against physical fighters. Escanor was faster and stronger than Estarossa before 11:30, as shown how Estarossa was put down by a single punch eventhough he guarded. And then Estarossa didnt even see Escanor's cruel sun moving.

Last but not least, Merlin says : "Escanor at noon surpasses easily any other sins". In which language will you get it ? Merlin knew Meliodas' prime form back then.

Im guessing the cheap shot uppercut Estarosaa gave Escanor which cause Escanor to bleed is unscratch. I'm not saying it hurt Escanor but it did more damage then Galland.

If Escanor is stronger then Prime Meliodas it is what it is but it make no sense since everybody feared Prime Meliodas and the DK said Prime Meliodas is the most powerful demon. What will be the point of his character if he is stronger then the person everybody is afraid of I highly doubt its 2 fight Prime Meliodas because it make more sense for Elizabeth 2 bring him back.

And here come the Escanor fanboy's

Whether you all want to call it cheap or not, the fact of the matter is, Estarossa was beating Escanor until he started to hit 11 amish when his power was increasing. As Escanor started to increase in power, Estarossa started to lose. This isn't even debatable, we all saw the fight. I'm not arguing that Estarossa is stronger than Escanor, but it wasn't as much as a complete blow out until the end. They were fairly matched until about 11 am, when Escanor started to show signs of beating back Estarossa, when the punch happened and when he was able to shrug off the darkness. By 11:30 there was no contest.

I like Escanor, but I can't wait until he actually loses a fight when all ya'll when come back here crying about power levels and sh*t.

 

[Gaggen]

Why is everyone talking about elizabeth bringing prime meliodas back to his normal self. Sorry to say but she have clearly failed. She have done it earlier and loss because the demon king's influence proves to be more better than her love. Its not like she can completely turn him into a human. Thats ridiculous. Everyone is born the way there are. Gloxinia and dolor may have converted to demons but they still are fairy and giant respectively. 3000 years have passed and she couldnt do shit. If she could she have definitely done it within the 3000 years. And for meliodas, he had basically 3000 years to master and control the power of darkness but he chooses to do it now. What was he doing all this time??? Thats why escanor, ban and all was brought after 3000 years. To teach the midget how to behave.

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I thought we were talking holistically? As a whole, !PrimeMel would beat Escanor, but in a perfect battle (no limiters on Escanor), Escanor could probably win. I don't see any discrepancy in our statements







And here come the Escanor fanboy's

Whether you all want to call it cheap or not, the fact of the matter is, Estarossa was beating Escanor until he started to hit 11 amish when his power was increasing. As Escanor started to increase in power, Estarossa started to lose. This isn't even debatable, we all saw the fight. I'm not arguing that Estarossa is stronger than Escanor, but it wasn't as much as a complete blow out until the end. They were fairly matched until about 11 am, when Escanor started to show signs of beating back Estarossa, when the punch happened and when he was able to shrug off the darkness. By 11:30 there was no contest.

I like Escanor, but I can't wait until he actually loses a fight when all ya'll when come back here crying about power levels and sh*t.

Escanor kept his head near estarossa and gave him a big smile and ended up getting beaten by him. Is that how you define estarossa overpowered escanor in the beginning????

 

[kkck]

I doubt meliodas only now mastered the power of darkness. To me it seems like his control problems were related to merlin taking away his power to begin with (and perhaps the rage from 16 years ago). Look at meliodas during the vampires of edinburg events. He used a mini darkness attack to overkill gelda. Does that hint to someone who is unable to control his power?

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Seeing how things have developed, I can't help but wonder why meliodas was so much weaker before. We knew meliodas before his death was weaker than at his prime. Initially it would have made sense that dying and returning made him weaker. However what is going on is exactly the opposite, he returns more powerful when he dies. So.... what made him loose his power? Was it that he changed from the cruel demon he used to be?

 

[Demonspeed]

You are all exaggerating and downplaying things to your preferences.

• No, Escanor didn't let Estarossa attack him, that was a surprise attack and he obviously felt pain, we even saw him bleed him from a single punch. Galan would have never managed to do that.
  
• Estarossa was not serious when he punched him, same for Escanor when he answered with his own punch.
• Estarossa decided to get serious after taking the punch. Starting to use his sword and it was the same for Escanor, he even said it.

They were evenly matched until Escanor's huge power up at 11:00 or 11:30. And before that moment, Estarossa had the advantages because has he stated, he was able to reflect all of his physical attacks and his Magic was stronger.

I am quite sure that Escanor at his peak never fought Meliodas at full power and already stated why I think Meliodas would win. Escanor overpowers his opponent with his absurd raw stats(strength, speed, durability, stamina) and Sunshine, he is the strongest as in "The one with the highest PL". All his victories were like that, he won because his PL was simply much higher than his opponents, which is the reason why he could not beat Estarossa as quickly as the others, they were evenly matched until his last surge of power.

I think at his peak he probably has the highest PL in the series. However, I don't believe a single second that his PL is much higher than Prime Meliodas or the Demon King. So, even if at his peak he was at 100K and Prime Meliodas at 95K or something. I don't believe he would win against Meliodas.

 

[Gaggen]

I doubt meliodas only now mastered the power of darkness. To me it seems like his control problems were related to merlin taking away his power to begin with (and perhaps the rage from 16 years ago). Look at meliodas during the vampires of edinburg events. He used a mini darkness attack to overkill gelda. Does that hint to someone who is unable to control his power?

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Seeing how things have developed, I can't help but wonder why meliodas was so much weaker before. We knew meliodas before his death was weaker than at his prime. Initially it would have made sense that dying and returning made him weaker. However what is going on is exactly the opposite, he returns more powerful when he dies. So.... what made him loose his power? Was it that he changed from the cruel demon he used to be?

If thats the case he should have control his rage and power in danafor. He should be stronger since he revived few times..... he can even kill gelda with a 10000 feet hole instead of 35000 feet. It shows that he didnt control it yet. Merlin even wouldnt take it away from him in the first place....

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You are all exaggerating and downplaying things to your preferences.

• No, Escanor didn't let Estarossa attack him, that was a surprise attack and he obviously felt pain, we even saw him bleed him from a single punch. Galan would have never managed to do that.
  
• Estarossa was not serious when he punched him, same for Escanor when he answered with his own punch.
• Estarossa decided to get serious after taking the punch. Starting to use his sword and it was the same for Escanor, he even said it.

They were evenly matched until Escanor's huge power up at 11:00 or 11:30. And before that moment, Estarossa had the advantages because has he stated, he was able to reflect all of his physical attacks and his Magic was stronger.

I am quite sure that Escanor at his peak never fought Meliodas at full power and already stated why I think Meliodas would win. Escanor overpowers his opponent with his absurd raw stats(strength, speed, durability, stamina) and Sunshine, he is the strongest as in "The one with the highest PL". All his victories were like that, he won because his PL was simply much higher than his opponents, which is the reason why he could not beat Estarossa as quickly as the others, they were evenly matched until his last surge of power.

I think at his peak he probably has the highest PL in the series. However, I don't believe a single second that his PL is much higher than Prime Meliodas or the Demon King. So, even if at his peak he was at 100K and Prime Meliodas at 95K or something. I don't believe he would win against Meliodas.

You are referring it to who????
By the way 1 punch with defend did damage > 3 punch without defend.... his cruel sun speed definitely outclassed estarossa's speed. I dont really see how his magic is stronger. Why go far i think even estarossa would thrash meliodas since he can reflect most of mel attack and mel's full counter is useless on him since esta is not the magic type user. By the way back to business, escanor definitely overpowered estarossa at the very beginning itself which pushed estarossa to the edge to draw out his magical ability... and keep in mind that the cruel sun and pride flare occured in a lake instead of an open area and even escanor himself was holding back..... definitely some of the heat loss in the lake.

 

[kkck]

If thats the case he should have control his rage and power in danafor. He should be stronger since he revived few times..... he can even kill gelda with a 10000 feet hole instead of 35000 feet. It shows that he didnt control it yet. Merlin even wouldnt take it away from him in the first place....

Well, the point made during mel's training was that mel was in complete control of his wrath. Killing gelda with a smaller hole than he did at danafor is something that should evidence control rather than a lack of it. I doubt meliodas could have been the monster he was if didn't control his powers though. Even at the demon clan he couldn't have been able to function in general if every time he was pissed there was a risk of him destroying everything.

 

[Rescorlian]

I thought we were talking holistically? As a whole, !PrimeMel would beat Escanor, but in a perfect battle (no limiters on Escanor), Escanor could probably win. I don't see any discrepancy in our statements







And here come the Escanor fanboy's

Whether you all want to call it cheap or not, the fact of the matter is, Estarossa was beating Escanor until he started to hit 11 amish when his power was increasing. As Escanor started to increase in power, Estarossa started to lose. This isn't even debatable, we all saw the fight. I'm not arguing that Estarossa is stronger than Escanor, but it wasn't as much as a complete blow out until the end. They were fairly matched until about 11 am, when Escanor started to show signs of beating back Estarossa, when the punch happened and when he was able to shrug off the darkness. By 11:30 there was no contest.

I like Escanor, but I can't wait until he actually loses a fight when all ya'll when come back here crying about power levels and sh*t.

I'm not even an Escanor fanboy, I just like to argue with Meliodas fanboy's
And funny enough, what yo say about waiting Escanor loses a fight is precisely what Mel's fanboys said before the fight with Estarossa. It was the time Escanor would lose they said. Well, you know how it turned out

 

[TarXan]

The God Demonspeed has spoken

My posts are literally sarcasm, I'm doing the same thing Escanor fanboys are doing lol

But in all honesty this shouldn't even be debatable

Base Mel =/= Estarossa

Estarossa =/= Pre 11:30 Escanor

Now if Meliodas activates his demon mark, Escanor won't even be alive to see noon, the fight would be so 1 sided

Not to mention his magic power would be completely useless

 

[Rescorlian]

At this point I think we should just create an Escanor vs. Meliodas thread, this way we can all trash-talk over there without interfering in the other threads

 

[TarXan]

You are all exaggerating and downplaying things to your preferences.

• No, Escanor didn't let Estarossa attack him, that was a surprise attack and he obviously felt pain, we even saw him bleed him from a single punch. Galan would have never managed to do that.
  
• Estarossa was not serious when he punched him, same for Escanor when he answered with his own punch.
• Estarossa decided to get serious after taking the punch. Starting to use his sword and it was the same for Escanor, he even said it.

They were evenly matched until Escanor's huge power up at 11:00 or 11:30. And before that moment, Estarossa had the advantages because has he stated, he was able to reflect all of his physical attacks and his Magic was stronger.

I am quite sure that Escanor at his peak never fought Meliodas at full power and already stated why I think Meliodas would win. Escanor overpowers his opponent with his absurd raw stats(strength, speed, durability, stamina) and Sunshine, he is the strongest as in "The one with the highest PL". All his victories were like that, he won because his PL was simply much higher than his opponents, which is the reason why he could not beat Estarossa as quickly as the others, they were evenly matched until his last surge of power.

I think at his peak he probably has the highest PL in the series. However, I don't believe a single second that his PL is much higher than Prime Meliodas or the Demon King. So, even if at his peak he was at 100K and Prime Meliodas at 95K or something. I don't believe he would win against Meliodas.

1 more time for Demonspeed

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Oh yeah I forgot to add Mel's mark isn't even fully complete -___-

The DK didn't even consume all of his emotions -____-

 

[Rescorlian]

You are all exaggerating and downplaying things to your preferences.

• No, Escanor didn't let Estarossa attack him, that was a surprise attack and he obviously felt pain, we even saw him bleed him from a single punch. Galan would have never managed to do that.
  
• Estarossa was not serious when he punched him, same for Escanor when he answered with his own punch.
• Estarossa decided to get serious after taking the punch. Starting to use his sword and it was the same for Escanor, he even said it.

They were evenly matched until Escanor's huge power up at 11:00 or 11:30. And before that moment, Estarossa had the advantages because has he stated, he was able to reflect all of his physical attacks and his Magic was stronger.

I am quite sure that Escanor at his peak never fought Meliodas at full power and already stated why I think Meliodas would win. Escanor overpowers his opponent with his absurd raw stats(strength, speed, durability, stamina) and Sunshine, he is the strongest as in "The one with the highest PL". All his victories were like that, he won because his PL was simply much higher than his opponents, which is the reason why he could not beat Estarossa as quickly as the others, they were evenly matched until his last surge of power.

I think at his peak he probably has the highest PL in the series. However, I don't believe a single second that his PL is much higher than Prime Meliodas or the Demon King. So, even if at his peak he was at 100K and Prime Meliodas at 95K or something. I don't believe he would win against Meliodas.

* Galan punch wouldn't have done that damage, agreed, but the damage Escanor received wasn't significant. Also I have to disagree, being that close to someone, putting your head right in front of him and trash talking is like begging him to hit you.

* How was Estarossa's magic stronger ? He ran towards Escanor right after he used his darkness, that doesn't mean his magic was stronger at all, it just means Escanor hadn't the time to amplify his own because he had to attack Estarossa.

The old power-surging thing is up to interpretation. We know Escanor emits more heat if he's excited, the pl surging thing could just have been him deciding he needed more power-level than a separate aspect of his nature.

I'm not gonna dig into the scenarii fictions about a Meliodas vs. Escanor thing. I'll just add that the only time Meliodas won a fight not due to his PL was against grey hendrickson. I don't see how is other fights were different than Escanor.


Anyway, if pre-noon Escanor is able to send flying Estarossa and Zeldris, who both have the same level as base Meliodas, noon Escanor will just tear apart Meliodas a new one. Come at me haters !

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

If Escanor is stronger then Prime Meliodas Escanor will never have a good fight because everybody fears Prime Meliodas.

Then by your logic since he's >>noon escanor (which means he's always as strong as noon escanor all day)which means mel will never have agood fight
Unlike escanor who can be at full power for a minute he can be defeated at dawn at morning...
And there's the possibility of Gawain appearing
In case you didnt know who he is
He is escanor's brother , his power overshadowed that of escanor, and he is the one who killed escanor(in the Arthurian legends)