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Re: Islam Q&A Thread

ok, it's me again.
what does halaqah mean?
Actually if I could input Arabic font using my computer I would have asked for the meaning of that too but i guess I will just have to do with halaqah.
 

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Re: Islam Q&A Thread

alaikumusSalam nabil and syphoon!! welcome to the thread! :hug :hug
it's nice to have more muslim brothers around here. :amuse

hi kiddo7! how are you today? :) hope you're at the best of health :amuse

the arabic word (i think you're referring to the one that syphoon used) is actually "Assalamualaikum" which means "peace be upon you".

if i'm not mistaken, halaqah means "circle". we widely use the term when people sat together in a circle and start learning and discussing about alQuran and islamic issues. currently i have 2 halaqah a week to learn more and more about my own religion :).

since right now we are gathering in a thread and discuss about islamic issues, so i suppose this also can be called an 'online halaqah' :D

i hope there will be an arabic speaking brother/sister who will explain to you more about the word 'halaqah'. ;)
 
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Re: Islam Q&A Thread

amar kun was right, halaqah literally means circle, its informally used for meetings where people sit in a circle, a long time ago all teaching was this way when there were no class rooms and learners were in small numbers, people used to sit in a circle where a teacher talked, this is still used in mosques since we dont have chairs and there is a lot of space in a mosque, some people go to learn there from a scholar or teacher, now in a mosque they only teach about religion related issues, but in old times, it used to be about anything, politics, trade, social issues, science etc....

the world is also as tv episode of a series, since a series is like a chain and an episode is one the linking circles.

sorry I get a bit philosophical when it comes to my language :).
 

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hey conan! haven't you sleep? its already 3.40 in the morning bro! :D
 

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Re: Islam Q&A Thread

ok, it's me again.
what does halaqah mean?
Actually if I could input Arabic font using my computer I would have asked for the meaning of that too but i guess I will just have to do with halaqah.

heya kiddo, may peace be upon u

halaqah is more like a place we gathered & have a discussion about anything. no restriction in it, everyone can join it.

& about Assalamualaikum (comes from word As-Salam means Peace , 'Alaikum - on you...)

so, whenever a muslim greet another muslim, we'll say this to each other. Isn't it nice when you're greeted in this way? & the other 1 must reply the same. By this way, automatically we'll have an interaction, a mutual interaction, where both side get the benefit from it...

Hope these'll answer your question...

Wallahua3lam... (Allah knows best)
 

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Re: Islam Q&A Thread

i may have missed (a whole lot) reading previous posts, but i want to ask:

are arab muslims totally different from hindu muslims (hindu being people who live in india)?

i find that talking to a muslim is a lot more enlightening than talking to some other fellow christian, because some (the latter) flame you when you touch a nerve. muslims explain things in simpler terms.
 

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there are no difference between arab muslim and no-arab muslims unlike christians who are divided to Orthodox, Protestant.... , there is one islam, one holy book for all muslims in the whole world
 

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Re: Islam Q&A Thread

@optimist
...you mean sunni muslims are the same with shiites? although i know it wasn't meant to be, why are there violences between the two groups? ethnic differences maybe?

another question: is it true that falsehood and deception (cheating, lying, etc) are essentially evil in islam, and thus must be avoided?
 

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Re: Islam Q&A Thread

well there isnt a difference in muslims on a racial basis, so indian muslims, indonesian, chinese ,arabic, bosnian, turkish ...etc are all the same, but there are sectors on muslims based on other ideological issues, like sunni, shiat, are the main two but there are othere sectors, by the way hindu is a religion so its different.

I dont know about christians being nervous, not everyone is perfect, I've been around sensitive muslims who will shout at you at discussion and such, its just that since unfortunatwly most of us are having problems with misunderstandings these days people try to know more and can be unintentionally rude, to clear the misunderstandings you cant stop ate every rude point and shout or get anfry, just explain it like you know it, and prophet mohammed taught that if you dont know something then say you dont know, its not shameful.

by the way leen started a christian Q&A thread, theyve been very nice in answering questions, theyve given me so much information, that I havent finishing reading it yet, all you guys go there and say hi :).

by the way amar-kun, about the 4oclock thing, you shouldnt be talking, your in the same timezone as me, what are you doing at 4oclokc too ;), I'll pm you and tell whats been going on.

finally welcome to our new brothers optimist syphoon nabil and sushi.

EDITED: you asked before I answered hunter, I'll try and answer more of your question again, the difference between sunni muslims and shiat muslims is something that happened becuase of the political turmoil that happened after prophet mohammed died, so basically there didnt exist such a name when prophet mohammed was alive, but after his death some political problems happened that resulted in this difference and later on influenced some ideological ideas, the fighting between them, there isnt really any fighting, other than iraq, well in iraq its about settling old scores, sadam was considered sunni, eventhough he was egoistic and I dont think he followed any religous way, he followed his own way, and he was particulary cruel to shiats during his ruling, now some fueled anger and a 1000 year old political turmoil is causing whats happening between them in iraq other than that, I dont know of any fighting between muslims shiats and sunnis anywhere else, but let me tell you this, most fights are politically influenced, the differences in ethnicity and religion are minor in them and dont really result except in ignorance of the other side wich makes things worse.

about your second question, yes cheating and lying are considered sins in islams and who commits them must fix it, through deeds and askking allah for forgiveness and not going back to them.

phew, I hope that answers your questions :).
 
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Re: Islam Q&A Thread

@conan
thank you for clearing that up. (and also for telling me leen started a Q&A thread). the problem with christianity is that it is generally divided into two groups (not denominations):
monotheism and trinitarianism. now, gotta blast!
 

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Re: Islam Q&A Thread

you posted before me again, well there is an edit at the end of the post it answers your other questions, and well we could discuss monotheism and trinitarianism in the christianity thread, but I never knew there were any monotheist christians, I mean muslims are monotheist in philosiphy basically, in arabic its called ( ALTawheed), this is an interesting topic.
 

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Re: Christianity Q&A Thread

i'm technically a christian not belonging to any denomination.

ok dudes, here's a question:

and, don't be angry, too emo (or even emo) and take this seriously(the kind that you don't sleep thinking of the answer)

why is christianity divided into monotheism and trinitarianism?
rant:
do we not know that the slightest difference in beliefs can lead to salvation or destruction at the end of times?

another one:

is salvation truly gained by grace or is salvation lost when you do not work for it?

thank you for the time.
 

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similarities between sunni and shiites are more than 90%, differences don't concern basis ( well like I said we have the same holy book and you can do your prayer in the same mosque)
don't forget that Sunni and Shiite Muslims have lived together peacefuly in Iraq for centuries, the main reason for the fighting is because of the american occupation

the problem in Iraq is complex, it isn't only religious but also political (each side want to govern)
also Iran contribute in the war because disorder in Iraq serves them and if Iraq becomes well established, USA will attack IRAN
 
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wow.. kudos for both of you, conan and optimist!! nice answer!:leepose

you didnt even leave any space for me to add more :amuse

now i can eat happily and let you all do the work :ramen
 

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Usually i just go n dload naruto n bleach in MH.
Guess a fresh start here.
Haha.
Btw its indian muslim,not hindu muslim..
Hindu is a religion.
 

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Re: Christianity Q&A Thread

hi, hunter, nice seeing you here.... :)

minor corrections....
Christianity IS monotheistic. PERIOD.
Yet it could be divided between Trinitarians and Unitarian/non-Trinitarian.

re: Salvation
It is also divided between denominations who "emphasize" bible references on salvation by grace alone or with the "influence" of free will.

quoting wikipedia entry on the subject. just follow their links for something more detailed.... :)

Salvation

Main article: Salvation
Christians believe salvation is a gift by unmerited grace of God, who sent Jesus as the savior. Christians believe that through faith in Jesus one can be saved from sin and spiritual death. The crucifixion of Jesus is explained as an atoning sacrifice, which, in the words of the Gospel of John, "takes away the sins of the world". Reception of salvation is related to justification.[24]


The operation and effects of grace are understood differently by different traditions. Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy teach the necessity of the free will[25] Reformed theology places distinctive emphasis on grace by teaching that mankind is completely incapable of self-redemption, but the grace of God overcomes even the unwilling heart.[26] to cooperate with grace.

The Trinity

Main article: Trinity

The Hospitality of Abraham by Andrei Rublev: The three angels represent the three persons of God




Most Christians believe that God is spirit (John 4:24), an uncreated, omnipotent and eternal being, the creator and sustainer of all things, who works the redemption of the world through his Son, Jesus Christ.
Against this background, belief in the divinity of Christ and the Holy Spirit was expressed as the doctrine of the Holy Trinity,[27], which describes the single Divine substance existing as three distinct and inseparable persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ the eternal Word), and the Holy Spirit. According to the doctrine, God is not divided in the sense that each person has a third of the whole; rather, each person is considered to be fully God (see Perichoresis). The distinction lies in their relations, the Father being unbegotten, the Son begotten of the Father, and the Holy Spirit proceeding.[28] "Begotten", in these formulae, does not refer to Mary's conceiving Jesus, but to the Son's relationship to the Father, which is described as being "eternally begotten" of the Father.
Trinitarian Christian also conceive of salvation as one work of the triune God, in which "the three divine persons act together as one, and manifest their own proper characteristics."[29]
Trinitarian Christians trace the orthodox formula of the Trinity — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit — back to the resurrected Jesus himself, who used this phrase in the Great Commission (Matthew 28:16-20).
Most Christians believe the Holy Spirit inspired the Scriptures,[30] and that his active participation in a believer's life (even to the extent of "indwelling" within the believer), joining the believer's free actions with his own, is essential to living a Christian life.[31] In Catholic, Orthodox, and some Anglican theology, this indwelling is received through the sacrament called Confirmation or, in the East, Chrismation. Most Protestant traditions teach that the gift of the Holy Spirit is symbolized by baptism; however some (Baptists and comparable groups) do not attribute any sacramental significance to baptism. Pentecostal and Charismatic Protestants believe the baptism with the Holy Spirit is a distinct experience separate from other experiences like conversion or water baptism, and many Pentecostals believe it will always—or at least usually—be evident through glossolalia (speaking in tongues).

Non-Trinitarians

Main article: Nontrinitarianism
In antiquity, and again following the Reformation, several sects advocated views contrary to the Trinity. These views were rejected by many bishops such as Irenaeus and subsequently by the Ecumenical Councils. During the Reformation, though most Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants accepted the value of many of the Councils, some groups rejected these councils as spiritually tainted.[32] Clement Ziegler, Casper Schwenckfeld, and Melchior Hoffman advanced the view that Christ was only divine and not human. Michael Servetus denied the divinity of Christ, as did others who were tried at Augsburg in 1527.[33]
Modalists, such as Oneness Pentecostals, regard God as a single person, with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit considered modes or roles by which the unipersonal God expresses himself.[34]
Latter-day Saints accept the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but deny that they are the same being, believing them to be separate beings united only in will and purpose.[35] (see Godhead)
Present day groups who do not consider Jesus to be God include Unitarians,[36] descendants of Reformation era Socinians and Jehovah's Witnesses.[37]
 

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OK its time for another "parable" If I where to explain this issue to a three year old (keep it simple and cut right to the chase). this is how i would do it.

God can be compared to water (stay with me on this). Water can exist in three phases slod liquid and gaseous. Yet it is still made up of the same two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen per molecule. You can think of it as three individual substances; water, ice, and steam. Or you can think of it as only one thing H2O.
We Human beings with our limited knowledge will not ever fully understand God until the day that everything is made known. So we try to come up with various theories that approximate his being. I myself do not know either (how could I?) But my guess is that this metaphor using water comes pretty close as it can answer most questions that come up.

Thats all i have on the trinity/unity.
 

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@TM
those arguments are well-founded. i wouldn't want to argue about your wikiquotes, been there done that.

for all the watching religious t.v. shows i have done in the past ten years, i found out that to answer a question concerning the Bible and the faith it belongs to, you must consult the Bible. PERIOD

@kiddo7
your metaphor is poorly conceived. a three-year old will understand this, but a high school will not. when water exists in one of three phases, doesn't it lose properties inherent in its other phases when it is, say in other form?

for example, water is in its gaseous form, it loses its tangibility, am i right? is not God an omnipotent and omnipresent being? He cannot lose/gain 'properties'.
 

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@nabil
sorry....
 

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@hunter
it is generally agreed by the Trinitarians that they can never understand the tip of the iceberg of the entire understanding of the Trinity.
this can be analogous to putting the content of the entire oceans of the world (the knowlegde/understanding of the Trinity) into a small hole (human capacity for knowledge) made in the sand in the beach by a child. (alluded to St. Augustine; this was the reply of the child, who was an "angel" in disguise when the saint was doubting and trying to comprehend the Trinity)

thus any attempt by human minds to "explain" it, is and always will be "insufficient" and "flawed"....

re: consulting the bible on your own
you still have to be prepared for that and not dig into it half-heartedly and without proper preparation and disposition....

won't go into details but suffice to say, read "reputable" guides to studying the bible first to put your mind and spirituality in the right disposition for a "religious" (as opposed to a historic/literary) study of the bible... :D
 
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