Roger's power/Devil fruit?

[kkck]

Ok, this might sound crazy but hear me out. First off all this:
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_48#Volume_48.2C_Chapter_467.2C_Page_166

In other words, there have been through history several individuals with a particular DF.

Now, lets take a look at this two moments:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/565.5/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/99/18/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/100/20/

Now, how much of a coincidence is it that roger was conveniently saved by a change in the weather and years later luffy got saved by it as dragon appeared? What if dragon got whatever fruit roger had after the guys death? On top of that a fruit like this would help against a fruit like WB's. What do you all think?

 

[bittman]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Sounds crazy. You're crazy.

Well the assumption you're going by is that Dragon had no weather DF at the time of Roger's execution. Given that we know very little about Dragon and Roger, I can't discount your theory, but I just don't feel it's plausible. I also look suspiciously at the very heavy rain of Roger's execution whilst Dragon is present and Roger was seastone-cuffed.

Coincidence. Sure, I'd buy coincidence. Coincidence is what gets Luffy into most of his insane situations already.

Still, can't discount your theory. I also wouldn't be able to discount the theory that Blackbeard or Luffy picked up Roger's fruit.

 

[JPD]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

The only problem I see with that theory is the narrator's statement during the Shiki vs. Roger.

"faced with almost certain doom... ...was save by a sudden freak weather storm"

If he did got the power, why not stating it? like: "Thanks to Rogers ability, the crew find a way out of Shiki's wrath."

My point is simple, if he got it, it's not a coincidence, if he don't got it, it's (for the moment) a coincidence.

 

[Bugzee]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Its a thought! I mean surely Roger must've had a fruit capable of countering WB's crazy one! I got the impression Roger has a DF related to weather-changing as well when I read the 0-Chapter.

For Dragon to gain Rogers' DF ability, well its possible! I would much prefer imho for Dragon to have a different DF ability to Roger's though!

 

[Poneglyph420]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Nice Idea. What I would tend to believe is Roger had the power to hear "the voice of all things". So he could "hear" there would be a storm and could act/react accordingly. But if he had a "storm" power like we saw from Dragon in Loguetown I'd be surprised. Roger seems like he had some "sixth sense" or something like that IMHO. Besides Dragon is so bad ass I'd hope he had a unique DF power.

I do like that we can see the SBS in your post saying that we will find the truth of the DF from Vegapunk later on...

 

[kkck]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Sounds crazy. You're crazy.

Well the assumption you're going by is that Dragon had no weather DF at the time of Roger's execution. Given that we know very little about Dragon and Roger, I can't discount your theory, but I just don't feel it's plausible. I also look suspiciously at the very heavy rain of Roger's execution whilst Dragon is present and Roger was seastone-cuffed.

Coincidence. Sure, I'd buy coincidence. Coincidence is what gets Luffy into most of his insane situations already.

Still, can't discount your theory. I also wouldn't be able to discount the theory that Blackbeard or Luffy picked up Roger's fruit.

The line between crazness and genius is very thin my friend.

Dunno, this convenient freak storms and weather changes don't seem like something which could be a coincidence. it is plausible dragon had something to do with the battle between roger and shiki though. I think it'd be cool if dragon got rogers fruit, it would give great insight of the power roger used to have(granted dragon could use it differently though).

 

[Razh]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

The line between crazness and genius is very thin my friend.

Dunno, this convenient freak storms and weather changes don't seem like something which could be a coincidence. it is plausible dragon had something to do with the battle between roger and shiki though. I think it'd be cool if dragon got rogers fruit, it would give great insight of the power roger used to have(granted dragon could use it differently though).

If that storm was controlled by someone, then It's more likely that Dragon was in Roger's crew.
He has been a world's most wanted man for at least 5 years. World Government recognized him as a threat 10 years ago.
I guess it is possible that Roger's fruit respawned somewhere and that Dragon found it and ate it, but I don't think it's true.
If Roger's had that fruit, then crossing the Grand Line and reaching the end would have been a piece of cake.

 

[Fox666]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Not bad, but that's the author way of making plots, Roger was lucky that day, the same way Luffy was, just that.

If I am not wrong, once in a SBS the author commented that Buggy sword served as an attractive for the lightning. So, there is no DF, just some lucky coinscidences.

 

[Razh]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

If I am not wrong, once in a SBS the author commented that Buggy sword served as an attractive for the lightning. So, there is no DF, just some lucky coinscidences.

You should really read that chapter again. While a lightning could have been an accident, the strong wind that appeared later doesn't look like one.
It was even colored green in anime.

 

[Fox666]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Well, Nami predicted that the time would change...

 

[Razh]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Well, Nami predicted that the time would change...

Nami predicted the weather by observing the clouds. It could also have been Dragon's doing.
Anyway, if you think that Dragon can't produce strong winds, I'll leave it at that.

 

[Black Lagoon]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

If the weather theory is true (Chapter 0), why the hell didn't he began with it, I mean why didn't he started with that a weather attack from the beginning instead of waiting till beating the s**t out of half Shiki's crew, besides The sea was so heavy before the clash.

However, it could be a normal situation in One Piece, when two great forces are about to clash the weather changes (WhiteBeard and Shanks).

 

[Bugzee]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

You know what, if Roger does have a weather-based DF, it makes sence for Oda to reveal it in the manga rather then in the side chapters. So thats maybe the reason why in chapter 0 they just stated how the weather changed to turn the tides I guess.

 

[NoLimit89]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Very good theory and completely plausible.

Either Roger died and Dragon found his fruit or Dragon was a part of Roger's crew. Both ideas would fit in nicely. The counter arguments to this aren't all that persuasive I'm afraid.

Anyways, can't wait to when the strawhats meets Vegapunk and he explains what devil fruits really are.

 

[Antares]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Ivankov said to Dragon "When the winds began to blow, you always faced the same direction. Could it be your animal homing instinct?"

i think it is really likely that Dragon's fruit is Dragon Dragon Fruit or Dora Dora No Mi or something similar.

This was taken from Wikipedia:

Chinese dragons are strongly associated with water in popular belief. They are believed to be the rulers of moving bodies of water, such as waterfalls, rivers, or seas. They can show themselves as water spouts (tornado or twister over water). In this capacity as the rulers of water and weather, the dragon is more anthropomorphic in form, often depicted as a humanoid, dressed in a king's costume, but with a dragon head wearing a king's headdress.

There are four major Dragon Kings, representing each of the four seas: the East Sea (corresponding to the East China Sea), the South Sea (corresponding to the South China Sea), the West Sea (sometimes seen as the Indian Ocean and beyond), and the North Sea (sometimes seen as Lake Baikal).

Because of this association, they are seen as "in charge" of water-related weather phenomenon. In premodern times, many Chinese villages (especially those close to rivers and seas) had temples dedicated to their local "dragon king". In times of drought or flooding, it was customary for the local gentry and government officials to lead the community in offering sacrifices and conducting other religious rites to appease the dragon, either to ask for rain or a cessation thereof.

The King of Wu-Yue in the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period was often known as the "Dragon King" or the "Sea Dragon King" because of his extensive hydro-engineering schemes which "tamed" the sea.

According to Japanese legends, dragons are water deities associated with floods and huge bodies of water (also from Wikipedia). So it's relevant and possible that Monkey D. Dragon's Fruit is one that changes him into a mystic dragon, which can control weather.

But about Roger? I don't know, i just can't see his powers as something animal-themed. "Hearing The Voice of All Things" seemed...i dunno, "cosmos-themed", if such an ability or fruit even exists.

 

[kkck]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Maybe roger heard all things through the wind....

 

[RichardMNixon]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Seems plausible but I'd be a little disappointed, like you need that fruit to be totally awesome.

My theory was that since Roger "heard the voice of all things" he knew the storm was coming and he took advantage of it in his battle with Shiki.

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Maybe roger heard all things through the wind....

That's a clever idea though.

 

[Black Lagoon]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Maybe roger heard all things through the wind....

As RichardMNixon said, That's a clever idea ...

So the line exists​

The line between crazness and genius is very thin my friend.

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[beastboy]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

IMO.. Roger had the same fruit has the vodoo guy.. I mean to ear the voice of all things sounds like vodoo.. and if he could see the odds of a storm saving his ship, he would be a lot stronger....

Or maybe he had the wooden wooden no mi.. and he created that steering wheel that is stuck at Shiki's head... xD!

 

[kkck]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

IMO.. Roger had the same fruit has the vodoo guy.. I mean to ear the voice of all things sounds like vodoo.. and if he could see the odds of a storm saving his ship, he would be a lot stronger....

Or maybe he had the wooden wooden no mi.. and he created that steering wheel that is stuck at Shiki's head... xD!

Somehow roger does not strike me as a voodoo type lol. He also does not strike me as a strawman. On top of that we are not sure if that supernova's abilities come from a fruit. Even if he does have a fruit some of his abilities might not necessarily related to it (future reading and whatnot).