Roger's power/Devil fruit?

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Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

Nah, I'm beting it's a devil's fruit power.

Roger was able to understand the poneglyphs though he doesn't have the knowledge to "read" them. You can't do that with haki.
 

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Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

What always made me sceptic against Roger having eaten a Devil Fruit is that if he had, I don't think his crew would be talking about DF's in this way. Unless he kept his Devil Fruit powers unknown to his crew, which isn't completely impossible I guess, since it does sound like it would be a pretty discreet ability. Still, I agree with the others. I don't think it's a DF ability.
 

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Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

naw i dont think gold rogers had a fruit power, i think he developed all 3 haki's to such a degree that it allowed him 2 hear the voice of all things.

rogers must have been an animal. i hope we get 2 see him in a battle through a flashback
 

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Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

Nah, I'm beting it's a devil's fruit power.
Roger was able to understand the poneglyphs though he doesn't have the knowledge to "read" them. You can't do that with haki.
How you know that?
We barely know about Haki and Poneglyphs and we've yet to see how them react together. :/
 

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Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

maybe that what the "will of D" means... i mean maybe luffy just hasn't fully developed the "will of D" yet, remember Roger was alot older when he traveled the grandline so he had more experience... we have yet to be told what the "will of D" is afterall.
 

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Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

If zoro actually develops it, he will NEVER get lost again, that's for sure. Perhaps he will now be the one who will tell everyone where to go, since he could feel people and all things.
 

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Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

Oh. Oh.

I just had an idea take hold. It doesn't make as much sense, but it's a possibility.

There's no proof that the ancient civilizations weren't aware of haki as well.

What if, and this is only an if, the Poneglyphs are designed to react to haki. I wouldn't know how, but what if there's actually a mechanism to deciphering them besides simply learning the ancient language. And with Roger's mastery over haki (which I assume he had), he could read and write in the ancient language.

I do agree in that I think Roger's unique ability with some sort of haki, or maybe a combination of more than one kind, was his "ability to hear the voice of all things".
 

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Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

Oh damn... you are faster than me lol... I just remember today about what Rayleigh said to Robin that Roger have the power to hear "all thing" ... And that my friend is indeed as you said the color of observation. Its just too powerful! I will bet stop reading one piece in 2 weeks!!!
 

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Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

This theory was around a while ago, there's more to back it up now though. It was just such a random thing for Rayleigh to say, until you re-read/watched Zoro's fight when he can hear the sound of steel. (When I first watched the episode with Rayleigh in the bar I was like 'oh wow, the poneglyphs could be alive', this makes far more sense though, gotta love drunken theories).
But even so, Roger could maybe understand the inscription without being able to read the language by 'Listening' to it with Haki, but doesn't explain how he managed to add his own 'Roger woz here' message in Skypeia.

Haki could explain how the Poneglyphs are indestructible. Although that could just be awesome lost technology.

Leaving your history in only one language when some unknown enemy is trying to wipe you out is a big assumption that there'll be someone in the future who can read it (unless some Poneglyphs are Rosetta Stones or whatever, but then the Government wouldn't have needed Robin). It would make sense for there to be another mechanism for the right people to read them.
 

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Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

Maybe the poneglyph are made of the same material of the Pacifista... well, a solid block of stell is almost indestructible. So imagine a metal even harder... probably Marineford walls are also made of it.
 

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Gol D Roger Power?

If you guys been watching the anime up to now(Battle at MarineFord)
''Buddha'' Sengoku said that WhiteBeard is the man with the power to destroy the world because of his Gura Gura fruit.
And throughout the anime,we've heard many people saying that WhiteBeard is the only man to fight on par with Gol D Roger.
So i was wondering what is Gol D Roger power?So strong as to be on par with a Quack Man.




If this has been posted before,DO NOT FLAME ME
just tell me and i'll closed this thread.
 

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lol, i honestly don't think he had a Devil fruit ability. I think he was able to compete with Whitebeard because he was SOOOO good at haki and brought it to a whole knew level and also had such a level head on him... He seemed to be a very smart kid.
 

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I think gold roger ultimately did have an ability. Haki is an important tool and makes a huge difference but ultimately in a normal human it can merely boost human abilities. Fruits powers on the other hand make the user kinda super human, it alters them in a way such that they can do things humans could never regularly hope to accomplish. Lets say we have a human who completely masters haki. Then, lets say that same human is given a DF fruit power and has moderate control over said power. Lets further say we have the non DF version against the DF version fight. Who'd win? It is extremely unlikely a DF would actually not benefit a fighter (worst case scenario the ability gain does not benefit combat but does not hurt it either) so in that sense what we have is that the DF version of the guy would win simply because he has a power. Haki in OP is not quite the same as in other manga. It won't give the user special or unique abilities for the most part. Heck, according to one of the OP databooks, fruits make such a ridiculous difference that one of the reasons BB waited for so long for that fruit is that he knew ability users would be in his way. In that sense the importance of abilities is so absurd that BB, being strong enough to fight shanks, still chose to give up his ambition if he did not run into the ability he wanted.

HAKI IS NOT A DF REPLACEMENT BECAUSE DF USERS CAN USE HAKI TO THE EXACT SAME EXTENT NON DF USERS CAN. Surely it is possible to stand up to DF users without having abilities but that is a rare thing to the point where so far we know of a handful of people at most who can rise to such a level. That said, those handful of people would still become more than exponentially stronger if they did take a DF. Imagine giving mihawk mr 1's fruit or giving garp a zoan fruit. How absurd would that be? It'd be ridiculous at least.

Lets imagine another scenario. How can someone plausibly fight WB in the sea? WB has control over quakes, which to a great degree means control over the ocean. If you are in a sea battle, what could plausibly be a greater advantage over that? As a matter of fact, WB's ability makes it so that any turf works as his home turf just for the inherent control he has over land and water. Can anyone imagine what would have happened in marineford if aokiji had not been a stupidly powerful logia users? They would have been hit by the full force of two huge tsunamis a couple seconds into the fight.

Magellan's physical capacity was not in itself a big deal at all, if anything it was severely lacking considering a worthless rookie like luffy actually managed to keep up with him. Magellan was the threat he was solely because of his ability, his ability made a stupidly huge difference.

Roger had position, power, wealth.... I have no doubt his sheer physical capacity was extraordinary and his haki was awesome but considering everything I do think he must have had a DF power to make it to where he did. It is certainly possible to make it as an ordinary human to a position of power (we have garp, shanks, mihawk, sengoku (assuming his power is like zoro's rather than a DF ability)) but having an ability just makes that much of a difference.

Another scenario which I thought would be awesome is garp with luffy's fruit. Just the thought of garp going into gear 2 or going into gear 3 with haki would be so ridiculous its not even funny. Heck, if he had had something like that perhaps "cornering" the pirate king would not have been as far as he could have gone.
 

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i understand your reasoning on that, but that still doesn't mean that he could have concured the entire land without a DF. I mean you just said it yourself in your post that a person could rise to power without it but a DF would make it easier. What if Gol D. Roger simply didnt take the easy way and decided to do it with his own strength and no DF. It was stated that he was better then Whitebeard but that didn't say it was because he had a stronger fruit ability. Heck i wouldn't even be able to think of one that stronger then his other then Akainu's ability. I'm thinking that's why he was SO famous. Because he was able to do everything that he did without a DF. Someone who can beat Whitebeard without a DF would be known as a king of anything don't you think... It would just prove on how strong he was in his era. I think it would be a great plot if that was the case. Luffy would most likely gain even MORE respect for Gol D. Roger if he finds something like that out about his idol.
 

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Re: Gol G Roger and his ability.

I do think that he had exeptional physical power + haki, especially Haoshoku Haki... I mean, i find it strange that when Luffy used Haoshoku in Marinford everybody was " WTF ! ", i mean, if it's only limited to make people faint, that's not really that useful against good fighters and that wouldn't explain the reaction of Sengoku, Aokiji... That's why i believe that Haoshoku is more than making people faint, and I think that only Roger managed to really master it.

Anyway, i'd be deceived if he had a DF
It not really that, they were surprised because a rookie could use it. I am sure it exists in the marines, but everyone with that type of haki has become a ruler, so seeing him have it is a HUGE threat, that his potential could be limitless. That or just it's extremely rare and they were surprised.
 

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i understand your reasoning on that, but that still doesn't mean that he could have concured the entire land without a DF. I mean you just said it yourself in your post that a person could rise to power without it but a DF would make it easier. What if Gol D. Roger simply didnt take the easy way and decided to do it with his own strength and no DF. It was stated that he was better then Whitebeard but that didn't say it was because he had a stronger fruit ability. Heck i wouldn't even be able to think of one that stronger then his other then Akainu's ability. I'm thinking that's why he was SO famous. Because he was able to do everything that he did without a DF. Someone who can beat Whitebeard without a DF would be known as a king of anything don't you think... It would just prove on how strong he was in his era. I think it would be a great plot if that was the case. Luffy would most likely gain even MORE respect for Gol D. Roger if he finds something like that out about his idol.
I don't think not having a DF is something that would make someone famous in OP world. Fruits are largely unknown to the vast majority of the population so I'd find it strange that people would go famous for not having one. That said, roger having a "better" ability than someone else has nothing to do with the whole thing. Ultimately having an ability does make a difference but necessarily having a better ability does not win battles. Battles between fruit users depend on both, how the actual abilities match up and how an ability is used.
 

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Rayleigh can use color of observation Haki, and apparently he still said tht Roger has the ability to hear the voice of all things. I think it lead to two possibilities:

1. Roger has extreme degree of Color of Observation mastery, no one else can reach.

2. Another discipline of skill (i.e. Eaten a Devil Tree, where all DF was originated from? =p)

Theory: One of the two possibilities mastered, when WB Quaked him, he can see every single seawater molecule and vibration motion coming at him with perfect precision and calculation. Furthermore, not only to this extent, he also reach the point where by activating his "listening", he knows secret of universal code (i.e. how to make neurons uncapable of transmitting knowledge / memory signal to the body, as in how to make an opponent doesn't know how to think or to move). He still wins the fight.
 

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In the past i always thought of Roger as a man without any DF abilities. And that the reason he was able to beat WB was because Roger was somehow able to see the weakness in the quake (like a crack in the incoming quake attack or something).
 

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I used to imagine roger as someone roughly like mihawk and whatnot but seeing how the story has developed I can't imagine roger not having an ability. Abilities in OP are unquestionably important and there really is no replacement or substitute for one. Not to mention that roger being some sort of disciplined martial artist is not quite something which I think would fit him.
 
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