TV RWBY

[lindananahayashida]

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 11, 2018, Original Post Date: Nov 11, 2018 ---

We don't know how much Raven knows she probably know less than RWBY at this stage

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That was one of the reason I think Ozpin keep it secret <<< Who would join the fight if they would know that they can't win

They literally saw Salem killing herself, having her head cut off ( and it was before she takes a bath in the second pool ) and her reborn from the ashes ( Ozpin killed her during the fight )

I feel bad for them tbh...

Blake has around two weeks to understand all maidens and other shit at her and now she finds out that like others she possibly join the fight where they can't win...

Yang took a Relic making her group a target and she finds out they can do nothing...

And Fucken Qrow was following Ozpin for around 20 years for what exactly...

Basically Jinn:

Thats true but,
No logical reason
= Raven => Follow OZ

Spoiler: Bla bla bla..

Raven also said,
Salem =/= Beaten

So,
Some idea (atleast)
(Experience/Truth)

Oz = Good reason

But,
If he =/= know = way to beat her
(We will find out)

Then = He killed => Hunters
= Without telling them
(Indirectly)
I can understand him (still)

But,
As pyrrha fan =>
Im AGAINST Oz!

 

[Vici]

Thats true but,
No logical reason
= Raven => Follow OZ

Spoiler: Bla bla bla..

Raven also said,
Salem =/= Beaten

So,
Some idea (atleast)
(Experience/Truth)

Oz = Good reason

But,
If he =/= know = way to beat her
(We will find out)

Then = He killed => Hunters
= Without telling them
(Indirectly)
I can understand him (still)

But,
As pyrrha fan =>
Im AGAINST Oz!

 

[Meliodaf]

Im definitely with Raven.

Its not about,
Trusting oz
But, Being trusted!

Imagine,
Doing anything
Oz says = Trust him

In return,
You're =/= Trustworthy ?!


Besides,
Big truths = Hidden(By oz)

He hid one thing I would consider big from them and it ultimately doesn’t change what they have to do. Blind faith is never ok that’s true which is why I don’t think Rwby is wrong. And he trusted Qrow, Ironwood and Leo and only one of those people proved trustworthy. Nobody’s really wrong In this situation but I do think despite his silence Ozpin is a leader that can be trusted.

 

[lindananahayashida]

He hid one thing I would consider big from them and it ultimately doesn’t change what they have to do. Blind faith is never ok that’s true which is why I don’t think Rwby is wrong. And he trusted Qrow, Ironwood and Leo and only one of those people proved trustworthy. Nobody’s really wrong In this situation but I do think despite his silence Ozpin is a leader that can be trusted.

Spoiler: Disagree (Sort of!)

I dont care if he hid = Relationship

IMO,
*) Salem = Unbeatable
=> Pretty big fact to hide
Unless,
He has another way.



Besides,
100ys old man = Trust issues
But,
20/30ys old = Has to trust ?!
BAD LOGIC


I know Oz = Trustworthy
Because,
Salem = Antagonist

But,
In universe characters = Dont


Did he tell qrow = Salem cant be killed?
(Doubt it)

So,
He didn't really trust = any of them
(Completely)

 

[Meliodaf]

Thats true but,
No logical reason
= Raven => Follow OZ

Spoiler: Bla bla bla..

Raven also said,
Salem =/= Beaten

So,
Some idea (atleast)
(Experience/Truth)

Oz = Good reason

But,
If he =/= know = way to beat her
(We will find out)

Then = He killed => Hunters
= Without telling them
(Indirectly)
I can understand him (still)

But,
As pyrrha fan =>
Im AGAINST Oz!

Spoiler

If Raven truly does know that Salem is immortal and that’s why she no longer trusts Oz then Ozpin is right to not tell anyone. Also Yang is right her mom is a coward. She’s scared of Salem when I doubt RWBY or JNPR are or will be. And Pyrrha was not his fault even though I miss her.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 11, 2018, Original Post Date: Nov 11, 2018 ---

Spoiler: Disagree (Sort of!)

I dont care if he hid = Relationship

IMO,
*) Salem = Unbeatable
=> Pretty big fact to hide
Unless,
He has another way.



Besides,
100ys old man = Trust issues
But,
20/30ys old = Has to trust ?!
BAD LOGIC


I know Oz = Trustworthy
Because,
Salem = Antagonist

But,
In universe characters = Dont


Did he tell qrow = Salem cant be killed?
(Doubt it)

So,
He didn't really trust = any of them
(Completely)

Spoiler

Salem’s immortality is the one big thing I was talking about.If Raven really does know and gave up, what’s stopping others from doing the same? And now that I’ve said that I’ve realized this is a lose-lose situation in which people will die regardless and it will always be Ozpin’s fault. If he tells the truth, people will likely give up and Salem will run rampant and destroy but if he hides the truth people who face Salem will ultimately lose fighting for what’s basically impossible

 

[Vici]

And he trusted Qrow, Ironwood and Leo and only one of those people proved trustworthy.

Spoiler

And yet he didn't tell Qrow that he's following him for 20 years and fight in his battle that he knows he cannot win... Trust is two-way street << Apparently Ozpin never heard about it..

How much Leo knew? we don't know tbh but I doubt he knew more than Ironwood ( that was suspicious that Ozpin is hiding something ) or Qrow...

It was probably easy for Salem to break Leo one she showed him truth herself

 

[lindananahayashida]

Spoiler

If Raven truly does know that Salem is immortal and that’s why she no longer trusts Oz then Ozpin is right to not tell anyone. Also Yang is right her mom is a coward. She’s scared of Salem when I doubt RWBY or JNPR are or will be. And Pyrrha was not his fault even though I miss her.

Spoiler: NO!

Depends on definition = Coward

If,
Oz = plan
Raven = Refused

Then,
Raven = Coward



But,
If Oz =/= Plan

Then,
Raven = Logical


You have to understand,
Oz = Personal reason => Salem
Raevn =/= Personal problems


Yes,
Pyrrha = Oz's fault (IMO)

She was = Manipulated
(No matter what you say)


Honestly,
In character,

I see = Blake, Jaune (Pre pyrrha incident), Ren, Nora (for ren) => Run away

Only ones wouldn't = Pyrrha, Yang & Ruby


But,
Protagonist = Obviously fighting

 

[Meliodaf]

Spoiler: NO!

Depends on definition = Coward

If,
Oz = plan
Raven = Refused

Then,
Raven = Coward



But,
If Oz =/= Plan

Then,
Raven = Logical


You have to understand,
Oz = Personal reason => Salem
Raevn =/= Personal problems


Yes,
Pyrrha = Oz's fault (IMO)

She was = Manipulated
(No matter what you say)


Honestly,
In character,

I see = Blake, Jaune (Pre pyrrha incident), Ren, Nora (for ren) => Run away

Only ones wouldn't = Pyrrha, Yang & Ruby


But,
Protagonist = Obviously fighting

Spoiler

But remember Oz isn’t fighting Salem for personal reasons. It took him lifetimes to accept that she had to be defeated. Ozpin does what he does for humanity. In all honesty I think he still loves her. And Raven is scared of Salem. I think Yang is right. Do you think Ozpin should have told everyone the truth about Salem?

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 11, 2018, Original Post Date: Nov 11, 2018 ---

Spoiler

And yet he didn't tell Qrow that he's following him for 20 years and fight in his battle that he knows he cannot win... Trust is two-way street << Apparently Ozpin never heard about it..

How much Leo knew? we don't know tbh but I doubt he knew more than Ironwood ( that was suspicious that Ozpin is hiding something ) or Qrow...

It was probably easy for Salem to break Leo one she showed him truth herself

Spoiler

As loyal as he is Qrow might have stuck around after finding out that Salem is immortal. I don’t think too many others might have.

 

[lindananahayashida]

Spoiler

But remember Oz isn’t fighting Salem for personal reasons. It took him lifetimes to accept that she had to be defeated. Ozpin does what he does for humanity. In all honesty I think he still loves her. And Raven is scared of Salem. I think Yang is right. Do you think Ozpin should have told everyone the truth about Salem?

Spoiler: B-but!

He may care = Humanity
(A lot)

But,
Love = Important role
(Nonetheless)



IMO,
Yang = Wrong
Raven =/= Sacred

She accepts,
Salem = Stronger (Fact)

[She doesnt have protagonist armour either]

To me,
Salem truth = AoT truth (Merley)


Hange = Told truth => Chaos
Before = No truth => Fear


Even if =/= Everyone
At least = Those frighting (For sure!)

 

[Vici]

Spoiler

As loyal as he is Qrow might have stuck around after finding out that Salem is immortal. I don’t think too many others might have.

Spoiler

But that's essentially a problem for the same reason Leo and Raven ( and others ) also most likely left his side because he didn't tell them that they can't win.

Sure it's a bet because most of the people would probably run the moment they hear the true but Ozpin is making very easy for Salem to break them ( but there's no win/win in this situation )

Kids that go to Academies basically take part in that fight etc. <<<< I'm still waiting for someone to tell the world about whole this, believe me, it won't end nicely for whole " Unite humanity with lies "

Edit: Typo :P

 

[Arjuna]

Spoiler

Finally got the chance to see the episode,man this is probably the best episode in RWBY till now.

The love between Salem and Ozpin is really tragic,I feel in the end they will find happiness together.

Salem can't be killed,but I think it will be the Silver eye that will finish her.


Full 10/10 episode.Seems to me this series might end in 1-2 seasons more.

 

[kkck]

Spoiler

Question, is anyone else bothered by the fact that most clothes in this series would apply to basically every time period shown so far?

 

[Meliodaf]

Spoiler

Question, is anyone else bothered by the fact that most clothes in this series would apply to basically every time period shown so far?

Spoiler

i thought about it but got distract at the way the faunus were glossed over

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 12, 2018, Original Post Date: Nov 11, 2018 ---

Spoiler

The more I think about it the more I think Jinn was saying that Ozpin specifically can’t kill Salem.He might be unable because despite what he has too do he still loves her too much. He’s spent lifetimes coming to terms with it and it’s possible he just never did. Jinn never said Salem can’t be destroyed. And his question wasn’t “Can Salem be killed?” He asked “How do I destroy Salem?” And she replied “You can’t”. Maybe Ozpin can’t emotionally deal with it. There was a time where he was the strongest man alive and he might very well still be. I don’t think this is an impossible physical challenge for Ozpin but rather an impossible emotional one.

.

 

[lindananahayashida]

Spoiler

i thought about it but got distract at the way the faunus were glossed over

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 12, 2018, Original Post Date: Nov 11, 2018 ---

Spoiler

The more I think about it the more I think Jinn was saying that Ozpin specifically can’t kill Salem.He might be unable because despite what he has too do he still loves her too much. He’s spent lifetimes coming to terms with it and it’s possible he just never did. Jinn never said Salem can’t be destroyed. And his question wasn’t “Can Salem be killed?” He asked “How do I destroy Salem?” And she replied “You can’t”. Maybe Ozpin can’t emotionally deal with it. There was a time where he was the strongest man alive and he might very well still be. I don’t think this is an impossible physical challenge for Ozpin but rather an impossible emotional one.

.

Spoiler: ?!

If,
Attack = No human => Salem fine

Doubt,
Any character = destroy salem
(Bar gods)

Either way,
Ruby = AP => Salem dead/defeated)
(99.9% Sure!)

 

[kkck]

Spoiler

i thought about it but got distract at the way the faunus were glossed over

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 12, 2018, Original Post Date: Nov 11, 2018 ---

Spoiler

The more I think about it the more I think Jinn was saying that Ozpin specifically can’t kill Salem.He might be unable because despite what he has too do he still loves her too much. He’s spent lifetimes coming to terms with it and it’s possible he just never did. Jinn never said Salem can’t be destroyed. And his question wasn’t “Can Salem be killed?” He asked “How do I destroy Salem?” And she replied “You can’t”. Maybe Ozpin can’t emotionally deal with it. There was a time where he was the strongest man alive and he might very well still be. I don’t think this is an impossible physical challenge for Ozpin but rather an impossible emotional one.

.

Spoiler

I think you have a point there, the way ozpin phrased the question lead to that answer. But I think it is definitely the case that salem simply can't be killed. By anyone. Ozpin doesn't actually have issues murdering salem. And I can prove that beyond doubt. Look at the scene where ozpin and salem fight. Right towards the end we see an injured ozpin crawling. And a black puddle from which salem regenerates. Basically, ozpin turned salem into fucking paste and even then she returned. Ozpin can't kill salem. But we also know no one else can kill salem. Salem can't be killed. I do think that answer was affected by how the question was phrased but that is mostly because ozpin asked the wrong question. The question wasn't "how do I destroy salem?". The question was "how do I defeat salem?". And in all fairness, even that isn't that big a deal. Salem in a way is a secondary issue. The issue is humanity's BS and the impending judgement which seems to be what salem wants.

 

[Arjuna]

Spoiler

Seems to me Salem created her base where the younger brother God had his base,the puddle from where Grimm sprang up is there.

 

[Meliodaf]

Spoiler: ?!

If,
Attack = No human => Salem fine

Doubt,
Any character = destroy salem
(Bar gods)

Either way,
Ruby = AP => Salem dead/defeated)
(99.9% Sure!)

Spoiler

I don’t think anyone will destroy Salem. I think the way to defeat her is to teach her the lesson she was meant to learn thousands of years ago. Otherwise, they gave Ozpin an impossible task.

 

[Arjuna]

Spoiler

I personally think during the day of judgement Team RWBY will convince the Gods that Humanity have learnt and changed.Like having Blake in RWBY they will prove that Humans have learnt to coexist with Faunus,and several other measures they will provide in proof of their enlightenment.

Bit edited my original post.

 

[lindananahayashida]

Spoiler

I don’t think anyone will destroy Salem. I think the way to defeat her is to teach her the lesson she was meant to learn thousands of years ago. Otherwise, they gave Ozpin an impossible task.

Spoiler: GODs

Tbh,
Rwby Gods = Worse => NNT gods

So,
*)
1 Person = Arrogant
(Salem =/= Arrogant => IMO)
=> Destroy Everyone & Leave humanity?

*)
GoL = B*tch! => She came to me first!
GoD = Same => Why no me first?! Boo!


Like seriously!
Are they = Grade schoolers!


Wouldn't be surprised = Dumb quest
&
A**pull = Solution

 

[Meliodaf]

Spoiler: GODs

Tbh,
Rwby Gods = Worse => NNT gods

So,
*)
1 Person = Arrogant
(Salem =/= Arrogant => IMO)
=> Destroy Everyone & Leave humanity?

*)
GoL = B*tch! => She came to me first!
GoD = Same => Why no me first?! Boo!


Like seriously!
Are they = Grade schoolers!


Wouldn't be surprised = Dumb quest
&
A**pull = Solution

Spoiler

I was gonna say the same thing. They destroyed everyone because of Salem. Then the same god who refused to bring Ozma back because it would destroy the balance ultimately decided to bring him back. Which goes against why he told Salem no in the first place. And before that they played with his life like it was a toy just reviving and killing him. The younger brother actually killed him because he was asked second. I dont think Salem was arrogant either. She was desperate and thought it was unfair that someone as good as Ozma would die and the gods would allow it. And it’s not fair because life isn’t fair.