Discussion Sabo Thread

[Asarii]

It would be nice if Sabo was alive, but if he ends up showing up later on in the story, personally I would find that really cheap because of the following:

Ace and Luffy both set out on their journeys at age seventeen because Sabo couldn't, and the bond of the D Brothers also became closer BECAUSE of Sabo's death. The reason why Luffy was so devastated and heartbroken shortly after Marineford was because he felt alone- only to remember afterwards that he had his crew and was not actually alone. Ace died believing that Sabo is dead, and that's why he said those last words to Luffy.

If it turns out that Sabo was alive and kicking after all? I would be sorely disappointed after everything that happened due to Sabo's death.

(Please stop labelling every new character as Sabo. If Sabo were to return, he would return as himself.)

 

[Schabrak]

Well Sabo in a way did die, his mission as a pirate would have been quashed, his relation to his bros hindered in a new postion as a revolutionary, similar to how Dragon has no contact with his family. It's not like they would support the same goal and ideals now.

 

[Asarii]

Couldn't Sabo have recovered on Dragon's ship and then set sail to become a pirate? Even after everything that had happened on Dawn Island, Sabo still set sail to become a pirate right up to his end.

It depends on when Ivankov got imprisoned of course**, but he would have said something implying Sabo when he met Luffy. A quote like, "Someone has been talking about you quite often" is ambiguous enough that it could either mean Dragon or Sabo. (The latter if we reread the quote after Luffy's flashback.) He could even say, "Your personality matches what he described about you" to further imply that the "he" is someone close to Luffy. (Note that Japanese doesn't use gendered pronouns.) Ever since Ace appeared with the ASCE tattoo, we can confidently say that Sabo was already created either as a character or a thought since Alabasta. I'm sure by the time Impel Down rolled around, Luffy's backstory and Sabo was already planned out in detail.

It's understandable that Dragon wouldn't talk a lot about Luffy, but surely Sabo would talk in great lengths about his brothers to other revolutionaries; they were the only people he loved after all.

**EDIT: Ivankov WAS present in Goa Kingdom so he would have met Sabo.

 

[Schabrak]

Him being just another pirate or rival to Luffy would be pointless.

And I doubt Ivankov had a reason to stay or even meet and visit Sabo to exchange any information. The Revolutionary Army has fights and missions all over the world, Ivankov was a commander himself, so they might have parted directly after arriving at Baltigo.

 

[Asarii]

Sabo could have mentioned Luffy to Dragon at least: "Hey, the guy who saved me and whom I met that night is Monkey D. Dragon. My brother is named Monkey D. Luffy...... wait a minute." If Sabo did become a revolutionary, Dragon would know that Sabo and Luffy share a close bond.

Even though I see both possibilities for Sabo's fate (although one would disappoint me more than the other tbh), I don't see him as a revolutionary. Maybe someone who is trying to change how the world is run but not a full fledged member.

 

[M3J]

It would be nice if Sabo was alive, but if he ends up showing up later on in the story, personally I would find that really cheap because of the following:

Ace and Luffy both set out on their journeys at age seventeen because Sabo couldn't, and the bond of the D Brothers also became closer BECAUSE of Sabo's death. The reason why Luffy was so devastated and heartbroken shortly after Marineford was because he felt alone- only to remember afterwards that he had his crew and was not actually alone. Ace died believing that Sabo is dead, and that's why he said those last words to Luffy.

If it turns out that Sabo was alive and kicking after all? I would be sorely disappointed after everything that happened due to Sabo's death.

I thought it was because of the pact they made. They all would have set out at 17 regardless. I'm not sure if this would cheapen things, considering Sabo might either not know or would not have been able to get in contact. What if Sabo had a good reason for not getting in touch with Luffy or Ace? Or even Luffy?

(Please stop labelling every new character as Sabo. If Sabo were to return, he would return as himself.)

Agreed.

Him being just another pirate or rival to Luffy would be pointless.

And I doubt Ivankov had a reason to stay or even meet and visit Sabo to exchange any information. The Revolutionary Army has fights and missions all over the world, Ivankov was a commander himself, so they might have parted directly after arriving at Baltigo.

Why so? It makes sense as they all agreed to have their own crews and become each other's rivals.

 

[Schabrak]

Because than him not being at the execution would make less sense Imo, but I'm starting to get repetitive.

edit:
He wouldn't be interesting anymore being "another" pirate. It would be out of nowhere, Luffy already has to deal with so many opponents in the New World: Silver Medalists, Lvl 6 escapees, Yonkou and subordinates, brokers, Marines, seperate kingdoms/islands. Oda led the RA plot brew in the background, never really revealing much, keeping the commanders hidden. Sabo appearing in a RA centered arc/saga would satisfy my expectations of a big buildup with some doubts and suprises.

 

[Leifman]

well, i wasn't that "caught up" in the one piece manga/anime to comment/raise my opinion up till now (was always post war/pre flashback previously) and now i watched the anime some more and will keep reading and just finished the 'sabo flashback/story arc' and all i have to say is this:
it is MORE THAN OBVIOUS that sabo = classic case like "obito" was in naruto.
we ALL KNEW/guessed that "tobi" was obito and were pretty much spot on due to obvious clues and such, here its exactly the same, the flashback wasn't just a "show how ace/luffy grewup" and the sabo character wasn't introduced for no reason or for the short time he was around.
seeing no body/official burial should be enough to hint ppl that he didn't really die, but to add the fact that dragon actually carried a child to his ship and ppl saying that it needed immediate doctor to heal and such is way "overkill" to solidify this "theory" and to be honest even more than obito had for his "theory" before it was proven.
also let me remind u that in one piece specifically to "kill someone" isn't something that oda does often/if rarely at all if that "eagle head guy" from alabasta could survive (which i laughed my ass off when i saw he did) and that guy with the jumping devil fruit ability.... after literally being shown getting killed and not just showing their hat/boat on flame then sabo will definitely make an appearance with dragon and the revolutionary when time comes.
the unknown factor will keep being the "why the hell weren't he around when ace/luffy needed him most" which will probably be something to do with the revolutionaries but who knows... but it HAS TO BE something significant.

 

[Schabrak]

hoeru, since the other thread was rightfully closed here is the question again:

I asked you why the author would reveal secrets in the databook, what's your answer?

 

[M3J]

I think he's just falling back on databook because he has no answer as to why Sabo would definitely be dead. I guess it's okay to use databooks for information, but setting store by it is a horrible idea. Databooks may list Sabo as dead now, but it's not a verified fact and won't be until the manga ends and Sabo truly is dead, or if we see concrete proof. There are at least two hints he's not dead, and no proof that he is dead. An eyewitness seeing someone die means nothing unless the eyewitness saw everything. Did he see Sabo's body? Confirm the kill? He only saw the Tenryuubito blow up Sabo's ship.

I find it funny and pathetic whenever people rely on databooks to back up what they say, most of the time. Reeks of desperation. There is a high chance Sabo's dead, but there's also a possibility that he is alive. He could also made some kind of pact to himself to not meet Luffy or Ace until they were all established, or he was too busy to meet them.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Sabo could have mentioned Luffy to Dragon at least: "Hey, the guy who saved me and whom I met that night is Monkey D. Dragon. My brother is named Monkey D. Luffy...... wait a minute." If Sabo did become a revolutionary, Dragon would know that Sabo and Luffy share a close bond.

Even though I see both possibilities for Sabo's fate (although one would disappoint me more than the other tbh), I don't see him as a revolutionary. Maybe someone who is trying to change how the world is run but not a full fledged member.

i believe him being a revolutoinary would be a nice plot twist

 

[hokageji]

Moving discussion from the manga chapter thread.


I believe Sabo suffered from Amnesia, which explains why he did not make it to Marinfold. The memories came back after hearing the death of Portgas D Ace and Dragon - Ivankov meet etc....

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

It would be interesting to learn about Sabo's position in Revolutionay Army.
And in terms of strength I believe he should be the strongest among "three brothers" since he was the first to depart and was trained in RA from his childhood. So if he gets Ace's DF, he might become a real beast.

 

[KuroKarasu]

Moving discussion from the manga chapter thread.


I believe Sabo suffered from Amnesia, which explains why he did not make it to Marinfold. The memories came back after hearing the death of Portgas D Ace and Dragon - Ivankov meet etc....

I personally think that amnesia would be a very silly and cheap explanation. It's gonna be hard to find an explanation that doesn't suck but I just trust in Oda.

 

[Asarii]

My posts above seem so silly now, but hey, it can be great to be proven wrong.

It's nice that Sabo is alive, but it's sad that Ace passed away without that knowledge. I would like to see what was going through Sabo's mind or what he was doing during the Marineford Arc. Does he feel any regret? Is Ace's death the reason why Sabo decided to reintroduce himself to Luffy after not doing so for more than a decade?

I wish there was a cover story or even a light novel about Sabo's adventures as a Revolutionary Army.

And in terms of strength I believe he should be the strongest among "three brothers" since he was the first to depart and was trained in RA from his childhood. So if he gets Ace's DF, he might become a real beast.

I agree. We can assume that Sabo doesn't have any DF powers so to make it this far is incredible. The fact that he'll be facing Burgess in the Colosseum tournament says it all.

 

[M3J]

There is a chance Ace and Sabo met, but it had to be either kept a secret from Luffy or Ace just forgot, especially due to lack of time. From the conversation he and Koala had, Sabo definitely regrets not being at Marineford to help Ace and Luffy.

 

[Asarii]

I dunno. I think Ace would remember something as important as Sabo being alive- especially if the two also met during the Alabasta arc.

Yeah, it seems like Sabo thought that Luffy would get angry for keeping his status a secret for so long.

 

[M3J]

Could be, or this could be another Oda lame humor that tends to occur.

Can't blame Luffy though.

 

[sameel]

I beleive sabo and ace are still on the same level in terms of strenght.(u know, if he were alive)

 

[hokageji]

I personally think that amnesia would be a very silly and cheap explanation. It's gonna be hard to find an explanation that doesn't suck but I just trust in Oda.

Well, its just a thought, there has to be a side effect to the accident, the recovery and change in the ideals. He never met Ace or Luffy even after joining the RA for such a long time. One of the explanations would be amnesia. While I do agree it is a silly explanation, I don't think the explanation would necessarily suck, if Oda did use it.

Here is why I think Amnesia is a plausible explanation (not necessarily what will happen or if it is cool)

Sabo was attacked and damaged by a bazooka, he has to have gone through some physical or even mental damage
He never reappeared to save Ace or Luffy til now and neither knew about his existence
His name or identity is still not revealed... We know he is Sabo, but the manga still did not introduce him by name yet

Let us wait and see, again, I don't say this is the only possible explanation, but I do feel if Oda introduces him with this, the story can still proceed in a cool fashion