Discussion Sabo Thread

[Uriel]

All that means that we will see them with their names when the RA arc will come.

Of course, but wild speculation always bring more satisfactions.

 

[THM Nindo]

Well... seems like he left alone, so he might not be that guy from the RA in the end...
That sucks... I'd have like him if it would have been him!

 

[kkck]

Bet sabo is gonne be seen within the next year.... Seriously, he was about as talented as ace as a kid -except he never showed haki- considering he did tie in fights against ace and easily defeated luffy. Considering he left so early, by now he has been a pirate for at least 10 years meaning he could even be a lot stronger than what ace was -and by extention luffy-. I bet his nakama will be pissed when they find out luffy had a "forgotten" brother who also happened to be an absurdly powerful pirate-although under a nickname-.

 

[bittman]

Still hedging on my original bet from about 4-5 chapters ago: Sabo is going to die.

Besides, what a massive cop out it would be for Luffy to have another brother who couldn't be effed turning up to save Ace. If Sabo was alive Luffy should just beat the ever-living shit out of him for that alone.

So yeah, not getting all this "Oh yeah Sabo must be a good guy somewhere out there." Would a good guy just let his brother Ace die? Sabo is either dead (still my bet) or if I'm wrong, he's a villain or something.

 

[Fox666]

I thought about it as well, but the guy looks like he has a birth mark above his mouth, so I'm saying no on this one.

And he has all of his teeth!

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

If Sabo is a pirate, it's possible he did not come to save Ace because he's in a Yonkou's crew, that is to say Big Mom's or Kaidou's. I doubt his captain would have let him join the Whitebeard's allies.

And thus even Ace may have never seen in him in New World. Remember that the Yonkou have their own territories and that they [nearly] never see each other. When Shanks and Whitebeard's crews met, Whitebeard said he was surprised that he had grown so much, what means the last he saw him he was not a Yonkou.
The World Government was also scared because 2 members of the Yonkou met, what means it is not something that often happens.

There's still the other explanation, that he's in the Revolutionary Army and that's why he could not come.

 

[johnnyb7]

If Sabo is a pirate, it's possible he did not come to save Ace because he's in a Yonkou's crew, that is to say Big Mom's or Kaidou's. I doubt his captain would have let him join the Whitebeard's allies.

And thus even Ace may have never seen in him in New World. Remember that the Yonkou have their own territories and that they [nearly] never see each other. When Shanks and Whitebeard's crews met, Whitebeard said he was surprised that he had grown so much, what means the last he saw him he was not a Yonkou.
The World Government was also scared because 2 members of the Yonkou met, what means it is not something that often happens.

There's still the other explanation, that he's in the Revolutionary Army and that's why he could not come.

It still doesn't fit to me. If Sabo was still alive I think he'd be more willing to leave his crew or group whether its a Yonkou group or the revolutionaries than to let Ace die. He would have protected his brother if he was still alive. That's why I think that he truly is dead. I think this are just further develops the relationships of Ace, Luffy and now Sabo. It also helped to give Luffy even more of a drive to become the pirate king for Ace and Sabo's sake.

 

[Akainu]

Added a poll to this thread since it seems to be quite controversial whether or not Sabo is (still) alive. If you have any ideas on other options that you really need in the poll, feel free to suggest them

and don't forget to mention why you voted like you did in here (with more than just "I voted xyz" or "Of course xyz" please )

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

I think he is alive and joined the Revolutionary Army.
I think Sabo got terribly injured but still managed to cling to a wood plank or something. He then got picked up by Dragon's ship or a patrolling ship belonging to the soon-to-become Revolutionary Army.
After taking care of Sabo's injuries, Dragon finds out his identity ("That's the same kid from before!") and realizes he will become a valuable person in the future struggle against corrupt government/nobles.
Also, an important character like Sabo wouldn't die as lame like that - from a cannon.
Besides, in One Piece, explosions do less damage than punches (as proven by Mr. 5)

 

[Deo_df]

Sabos alive, there's no other point to even mention him! To show that Luffy has already lost a brother is pointless, as Sabo was more Ace's friend, besides Luffy had only spent a few months with Sabo but several years with Ace. The bond is not equivalent! As for not contacting Ace (we can't be sure that they didn't reunite in the new world!) & Luffy, well communications obviously are not easy in the one piece world, as I'm sure Ace would have told Luffy about getting his logia power, but we saw that Luffy was suprised that Ace had become fire incarnate. I think the boys said it well when they had their own adventures to live and would meet I. The new world! Sabo is waiting for Luffy, he will probably also introduce Luffy to his dad!

 

[Marche]

Sabo is dead from the hands of that "Celestial Dragon".

 

[goldb]

I think Sabo is alive and may have joined the revolutionary army after some time. Until I see more proof that's what I'm going for.

 

[Fox666]

The Sabo history was important for several reasons:
- Everyone else in the crew had someone who died in the past. While Luffy had Shanks background, that was not a death, and Shanks is far from a infortunate guy to be sorry.
- Why was Luffy so desperate to save Ace. We know Luffy already did crazy things, but this time it was beyond imagination. "Ace is the only brother I have in the entire world"
- Why Luffy and Ace are now so united, and why they care for each other so much.
- And more important: to show the origin of Luffy ideology of freedom. Don't you already asked it?

By the way... Sabo is much "dead" as Dr. Hiruluk. You know, the author has no obligation to show the body as the crime scene evidence... as we have not seen the body of many others that died in the crew past stories.

 

[THM Nindo]

I wish he's alive and with the RA.
But honestly, I think he migh just be dead...

Basically, Ace wanted to become a great pirate so that he can change the new era (like Dadan said, it's not Jalmac that killed Sabo, it's the entire world!).

And so, Ace wanted to change the world.
Now that Ace is gone, Luffy will want to continue his quest.

Basically, from now on, Luffy won't just work to become the Pirate King.
He will also have in mind to change the world! (Alliance with the RA?)

I think that was the goal of this flashback arc.

 

[goldb]

I don't think Luffy will form an alliance with his father, I think I'm one of the few that believes he won't get on with Dragon all that well. If Sabo is with the RA, then maybe he'll be the one to bring their differing views closer.

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

I don't think Luffy will form an alliance with his father, I think I'm one of the few that believes he won't get on with Dragon all that well. If Sabo is with the RA, then maybe he'll be the one to bring their differing views closer.

It was heavily implied by Whitebeard that One Piece will have a war between the Will of D. carriers and the World Government in the end.
If Luffy finds One Piece and the true history and agrees to kick some WG ass, he will get help from his father's army whether he wants it or not.

Luffy doesn't believe that Sabo is alive, that's why he thinks that Ace is his only brother. Maybe if Luffy finds Sabo in the near future, he won't feel so much down anymore.

 

[kkck]

Aft seeing the most recent chapter, the most logical way to go would be for sabo to indeed be dead. Surely he should be able to swim so the burning ship should not be that big a deal but on the other hand, I don't think oda would troll the readers by killing ace only to have luffy have another long lost super powered brother.

 

[deffkryz]

If Oda follows this scheme:

• Banchina - introduced in Usopp's flashback, died of sickness
• Bellemere - introduced in Nami's flashback, killed
• Hiluluk - introduced in Chopper's flashback, died of sickness and suicide
• Kuina - introduced in Zoro's flashback, died in an accident
• Kureha - introduced before Chopper's flashback, still living
• Olvia, Clover, Robin's aunt - introduced in Robin's flashback, died
• Tom - introduced in Franky's flashback, sentenced to death
• Yorki & Brook's human comrades - introduced in Brook's flashback, died of sickness in the second flashback
• Zeff - introduced before Sanji's flashback, survived

Sabo is dead.

And it already has been confirmed by Oda, since Ace was called "the only brother" Luffy had. (translation confirmed by Aohige_AP thx Liger X)

We have a good-bye letter, we have witnesses who either cared more for tidying up the mess than saving that kid... What else do you need?

 

[Akainu]

I for would need to see a dead body to believe it. For me almost everything SCREAMS that we will see Sabo. Sure Luffy said Ace is his only brother. Because he like everyone else believeds that Sabo is dead.

But you completly fail to acknowledge in howfar this flashback is diffrent to all the others. It's Luffys flashback to begin with, not just one of his crewmates. Furthermore since the other flashbacks something grave has happend in the mainstoryline, the death of Ace and Whitebeard, which was quite out of pattern if you ask me (don't kill main characters) so why introduce a second brother and kill him off right afterwards? especially going by the pattern?

No, as long as there is no burial scene that shows his dead body and not just an empty coffin, I refuse to rule out the option of Sabo being alive in the manga Oda writes. If it's so clear for you, have fun being surprised later on ^^

btw.: his hat floating in the ocean almost resembled Aces hat lying on the ground after his fight with Blackbeard - diffrence in the scenery as far as I can tell - almost none except the underground <,<

 

[Poneglyph420]

I wouldn't go as far as to say there is NO WAY that Sabo could again appear in the Manga... But I don't need a signed Affidavit from Oda to suspect that Sabo is more probably dead than alive.
Especially with all of the evidence, and based on looking at raws of past chapters particularly 567.. I'd be willing to bet on it.

Not that my opinion is hard law.. Only Oda's is after all..