Fantasy Scratchman Apoo vs Zoro + Mihawk

[Nie Li]

That you need to team up against him to have a chance for Zoro's sake? I saw this just as joking and fun thread, but Oda just made Zoro really need someone to team with to beat him. Just saying thread turns out to be more truth than false looking at it. Also they are fodders and bad example your using as they easily beat them without even need to team up.

Just look at the way you word things. Talking as if Apoo was giving Zoro an absolute dominant beating and Zoro's last ray of hope to have a chance to win was to team up with Drake.

You do realize that what you imply with your wording has nothing to do with what's actually going on in the manga, right? Zoro and Drake just happened to engage Apoo together, and it even started to turn into Zoro and Drake vs Apoo and Queen. You used to love talking about Queen vs Zoro, but I guess it's convinient for you to suddenly ignore Queen's presence, is it not? This way you can talk about Drake and Zoro vs Apoo and freely downplay Zoro even more.

>thread turns out to be more truth than false looking at it

If the thread was Zoro vs Apoo this statement would already be a lie, but Apoo would arguably have a chance of defeating Zoro, I'd accept that the possibility exist, just not the likeness. It's still likely that Zoro would win more times than not in a 1v1 against Apoo.

However, the thread is Zoro and Mihawk vs Apoo.

You may even make this thread Mihawk vs Drake and Apoo. Even better, make it Mihawk vs Drake, Apoo and Zoro. Mihawk would defeat the three of them.

I have no idea what your comparing again and will say your running in circles in hurting your own talk, so please let it go as we know Mihawk by his side would help him win, but just saying Apoo turn out to be more dangerous than we realize and right now in canon manga, Zoro can't not solo him if he needs someone to help him. That's just facts showing, nothing being make up here unless your think Oda is one you have issues with.

The manga has never implied Zoro can't solo Apoo. There has been zero indications of that, and if you take the slash that Apoo got in before, then by your exact same logic Luffy cannot solo Apoo, which is a lie, just like saying Zoro can't solo Apoo is a lie.

Please don't lie.

 

[King Moe]

Just look at the way you word things. Talking as if Apoo was giving Zoro an absolute dominant beating and Zoro's last ray of hope to have a chance to win was to team up with Drake.

You do realize that what you imply with your wording has nothing to do with what's actually going on in the manga, right? Zoro and Drake just happened to engage Apoo together, and it even started to turn into Zoro and Drake vs Apoo and Queen. You used to love talking about Queen vs Zoro, but I guess it's convinient for you to suddenly ignore Queen's presence, is it not? This way you can talk about Drake and Zoro vs Apoo and freely downplay Zoro even more.

>thread turns out to be more truth than false looking at it

If the thread was Zoro vs Apoo this statement would already be a lie, but Apoo would arguably have a chance of defeating Zoro, I'd accept that the possibility exist, just not the likeness. It's still likely that Zoro would win more times than not in a 1v1 against Apoo.

However, the thread is Zoro and Mihawk vs Apoo.

You may even make this thread Mihawk vs Drake and Apoo. Even better, make it Mihawk vs Drake, Apoo and Zoro. Mihawk would defeat the three of them.


The manga has never implied Zoro can't solo Apoo. There has been zero indications of that, and if you take the slash that Apoo got in before, then by your exact same logic Luffy cannot solo Apoo, which is a lie, just like saying Zoro can't solo Apoo is a lie.

Please don't lie.

Nah, that is more how you like putting things in others mouth when I never said that. Though just saying manga showing that Zoro is teaming up someone to have a chance on Apoo instead of solo. Are you saying manga is lying now cause it's not in your own fantasy of seeing Zoro has MC and stronger than all? Zoro has his flaws and his flaws push him needing someone to team up to have a chance. Also who forgetting Queen? We talking about Apoo vs Zoro in this thread? Now your choosing to be hypocritical and go off topic? Again let's keep back on the topic at hand and I know that Queen vs Zoro is possible to happen, but right now we talking about how Zoro wants to go after an guy he stated in chapter with doing it along with Drake which is canon showing.

Obviously I know Mihawk by Zoro side will help beat him, but just saying Apoo still dangerous for Zoro to handle himself as he can't cut sound you know? He going to get hit a lot if he doesn't cover his ears which will mess with how Zoro can fight someone like that.

Also Luffy got back up and will know how to fight him better compare to Zoro if he fought Apoo. Luffy can fight with his body and beat Apoo while Zoro is someone who need his hands to fight, but can't when covering your ears which Apoo will take advantage of in more his favor than Zoro. It's about seeing clear logic, not something you want to make up about for your own imagination of your views. Not lying, it's seeing the events showing.

 

[Nie Li]

Nah, that is more how you like putting things in others mouth when I never said that. Though just saying manga showing that Zoro is teaming up someone to have a chance on Apoo instead of solo.

For God's sake. The "things I put on your mouth" are literally the same things that you just repeated in that very same line. "Zoro teams up with someone to have a chance on Apoo".

Enough said.

 

[King Moe]

For God's sake. The "things I put on your mouth" are literally the same things that you just repeated in that very same line. "Zoro teams up with someone to have a chance on Apoo".

Enough said.

I never state the words like that, but more like Zoro needs to team up to beat him as I can buy him beating him maybe in 2 vs 1, but the notion he can solo Apoo is farther from the truth on what you stated.

 

[Nie Li]

I never state the words like that, but more like Zoro needs to team up to beat him as I can buy him beating him maybe in 2 vs 1, but the notion he can solo Apoo is farther from the truth on what you stated.

Words like what? I literally only quoted your post.

 

[King Moe]

Words like what? I literally only quoted your post.

You pushing notion of what I actually stated as didn't say Zoro wouldn't put up a fight, but it's clear he was in more disadvantage than advantage which says a lot if he needs to team up against someone like Apoo.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

You pushing notion of what I actually stated as didn't say Zoro wouldn't put up a fight, but it's clear he was in more disadvantage than advantage which says a lot if he needs to team up against someone like Apoo.

Sanji and luffy also team up against the gifters, does that mean sanji alone cannot defeat gifters? That's your logic there.

Anyway, this is just a low quality troll thread from Pirate Queen (a real life guy roleplaying as a girl lmao), and either zoro or mihawk wins here

 

[King Moe]

Sanji and luffy also team up against the gifters, does that mean sanji alone cannot defeat gifters? That's your logic there.

Anyway, this is just a low quality troll thread from Pirate Queen (a real life guy roleplaying as a girl lmao), and either zoro or mihawk wins here

What headcannon is that? What you been reading in latest chapters? They are soloing fodders and headliners with ease. They aren't teaming on anyone like that. Don't be insecure cause Zoro having trouble beating his own battles with gifters.

Also looks like Apoo beats Zoro's ass given recent chapters as he can't even handle him when 2 vs 1. Mihawk will be reason he could have advantage, but Idk if he can beat YC lvl threat like Apoo is being how Oda sees Apoo in being more capable as shown.

 

[Nie Li]

Can Apoo survive Ikoku Sovereignty? No. Can he dodge it if the size of the slash is more than 100 times bigger (as big as Marineford's Iceberg)? No.

Mihawk solos. End of the topic.

 

[King Moe]

Can Apoo survive Ikoku Sovereignty? No. Can he dodge it if the size of the slash is more than 100 times bigger (as big as Marineford's Iceberg)? No.

Mihawk solos. End of the topic.

Ehh...Again if guy like Crocodile came out unscathed from Mihawk from fighting him (Pre-timeskip mind you), Apoo got good if not better chance of taking on Mihawk. It be struggle and we haven't seen full power just same on Apoo like Mihawk.

 

[Nie Li]

Ehh...Again if guy like Crocodile came out unscathed from Mihawk from fighting him (Pre-timeskip mind you), Apoo got good if not better chance of taking on Mihawk. It be struggle and we haven't seen full power just same on Apoo like Mihawk.

This is literally your argument: "If a guy like Jinbei came out unscathed from Big Mom from fighting him (Post-timeskip mind you), Jinbei got good if not better chance of taking on Roger."

It's a fallacy, and one that entirely ignores Mihawk's portrayal.

 

[King Moe]

This is literally your argument: "If a guy like Jinbei came out unscathed from Big Mom from fighting him (Post-timeskip mind you), Jinbei got good if not better chance of taking on Roger."

It's a fallacy, and one that entirely ignores Mihawk's portrayal.

Him and Big Mom never had a solo fight. What you talking about? Teaming up Big Mom an Yonko make sense, but we seeing Mihawk unable to defeat those he has solo fight with on their side and it happened more than once, not one time thing.

 

[Nie Li]

Him and Big Mom never had a solo fight. What you talking about? Teaming up Big Mom an Yonko make sense, but we seeing Mihawk unable to defeat those he has solo fight with on their side and it happened more than once, not one time thing.

Jinbei punched Big Mom in the stomach and sent her flying backwards without help.

The time Jinbei threw her over his shoulder and had Robin carry her again was only the second time he humiliated Big Mom.

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Mihawk literally only clashed with Crocodile in a single panel. There was no actual fight. It was even sillier with Jozu: They didn't even clash, Jozu simply stopped a long-range slash that wasn't even aimed at him and they went their separate paths.

The only "fight" Mihawk has had was with Vista and he didn't show any particular motivation and just broke the fight when the Pacifistas started arriving. It is a one time thing, more so than Big Mom, that has already clashed with even more YC-level opponents than Mihawk and has not defeated any of them.

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Just to clarify: I'm not saying that BM is weak, I'm saying that if we applied the logic you're applying to Mihawk to her, then she would be weaker than Jinbei.

 

[King Moe]

Jinbei punched Big Mom in the stomach and sent her flying backwards without help.

The time Jinbei threw her over his shoulder and had Robin carry her again was only the second time he humiliated Big Mom.

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Mihawk literally only clashed with Crocodile in a single panel. There was no actual fight. It was even sillier with Jozu: They didn't even clash, Jozu simply stopped a long-range slash that wasn't even aimed at him and they went their separate paths.

The only "fight" Mihawk has had was with Vista and he didn't show any particular motivation and just broke the fight when the Pacifistas started arriving. It is a one time thing, more so than Big Mom, that has already clashed with even more YC-level opponents than Mihawk and has not defeated any of them.

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Just to clarify: I'm not saying that BM is weak, I'm saying that if we applied the logic you're applying to Mihawk to her, then she would be weaker than Jinbei.

In her nerfed and distracted state thinking about Cake, not true fight and everyone still fight together on that as well she send Jimbei flying prior after clashing together. Taking advantage like that doesn't really mean much unless your saying Jimbei is above Luffy overall and Yonko lvl which doesn't make sense.

Still with all those YC lvl opponents especially Vista who he had longer fight with and never defeated or even break his swords, shows he wasn't on level some thought he was and more in YC lvl range or at least YC lvl+

Big Mom took out Queen in an nerfed state and diference of an actual Yonko and YC lvl is clear there and if Mihawk was one, he would have done same with ease like Yonko level opponent should.

It's not same thing as we already certified Big Mom is stronger than she is and holds back while huge tank like Kaido until they get serious, shit hits the fan, but you never got same atmosphere on Mihawk when he is being address by top tiers and deep top tiers same level as them.

 

[Nie Li]

In her nerfed and distracted state thinking about Cake, not true fight and everyone still fight together on that as well she send Jimbei flying prior after clashing together. Taking advantage like that doesn't really mean much unless your saying Jimbei is above Luffy overall and Yonko lvl which doesn't make sense.

I'm saying the contrary: That this kind of feat doesn't mean Jinbei > Big Mom. Just like Mihawk not defeating Crocodile for the single panel they clashed doesnt mean Crocodile > Mihawk nor that Crocodile = Mihawk. And precisely, the mental state and intentions do matter, and Mihawk had a very clear mindset throughout Marineford.

We disagree about Mihawk's atmosphere, that is all there is, and I can understand some of your points even if I don't share them nor believe they are correct, but claiming Apoo > Mihawk is hard to take seriously. It goes against both feat and portrayals in a very hard way.

 

[King Moe]

I'm saying the contrary: That this kind of feat doesn't mean Jinbei > Big Mom. Just like Mihawk not defeating Crocodile for the single panel they clashed doesnt mean Crocodile > Mihawk nor that Crocodile = Mihawk. And precisely, the mental state and intentions do matter, and Mihawk had a very clear mindset throughout Marineford.

We disagree about Mihawk's atmosphere, that is all there is, and I can understand some of your points even if I don't share them nor believe they are correct, but claiming Apoo > Mihawk is hard to take seriously. It goes against both feat and portrayals in a very hard way.

Difference is that Mihawk wasn't in non-sane state and was fine of his control and yet he didn't defeat those we think should be under him, but instead can block his attacks and take him on without even getting damage once of Jozu, Vista, Crocodile, and so on. Not saying he should go all full power and take ti seriously. Though if your 'suppose' to be an ;Yonko lvl' threat, you can defeat an YC lvl opponent with ease like Whitebeard, Kaido, and Big Mom have done already even while holding back. Again Marineford has done not much in his performance and push him more under them than thinking he is above them or even equals. Just saying until further notice, can't give Mihawk anything about what he is at and that isn't Yonko lvl and Admiral lvl.

I am just joking about it, so no worries. Though if Supernovas have an future at EOS, I can see Apoo being one of those above Mihawk if not all of them would be, so not farfetched to say eventuality he be above him.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

What headcannon is that? What you been reading in latest chapters? They are soloing fodders and headliners with ease. They aren't teaming on anyone like that. Don't be insecure cause Zoro having trouble beating his own battles with gifters.

Also looks like Apoo beats Zoro's ass given recent chapters as he can't even handle him when 2 vs 1. Mihawk will be reason he could have advantage, but Idk if he can beat YC lvl threat like Apoo is being how Oda sees Apoo in being more capable as shown.

well duh they take care fodders easily, there is luffy there. But your logic said that team up is for people at disadvantage (you said zoro at disadvantage and had to team up with drake against apoo). So we can also say that sanji was at disadvantage against gifters. Just showing you how your logic works here.

How is blocking one nameless attack somehow mean apoo beat zoro? Your argument is falling apart here lol

 

[King Moe]

well duh they take care fodders easily, there is luffy there. But your logic said that team up is for people at disadvantage (you said zoro at disadvantage and had to team up with drake against apoo). So we can also say that sanji was at disadvantage against gifters. Just showing you how your logic works here.

How is blocking one nameless attack somehow mean apoo beat zoro? Your argument is falling apart here lol

I see them soloing even headliners and above while Zoro have not solo anything on gifters as even Beetle Gifter came back from what fans stated XD.

Also my logic never state anything like that at all. Your missing the points of what we talking about here. You mean Enma sword covered in 'presume Adv. COA' like your certain fanbase believe and yet Apoo stop it back to back? Him using Enma and Haki proves Zoro is struggling more as Apoo is getting too much than he realize as shown early the moment he first fought him lol. Your argument is only one breaking down on reality on seeing Zoro struggling than you realize .