Fantasy Serena vs Nebal

[Axiomus]

I swear to god, I and @Jean Grey were discussing the exact same thing just a day or two earlier lol

Apparently, the super effective BS is applicable only when used by humans lol.

It's the same thing with Devil Slayer magic. In the end, Devil Slayer magic is just demon magic used against demons. Yet Gray one shotted Tempesta who was on his tier (since Tempesta held his own against LFD Natsu), and did lots of damage to Mard Geer, who took negligible damage from Dragon Force Natsu

Logically yeah, I completely agree with what you said. But the way 'slaying magic' works in FT is established, even if it's illogical.

Cause Serena was playing with them? They were fodder to him and he treated them as such. He didn't use any of his high end attacks like secret art.

The logic you're using is same as Laxus used unknown number of attacks on Kiria, and hence can't one shot her.
But we know for a fact that Laxus didn't bother because she was fodder to him anyway. If Laxus was serious, she would've been instantly wrecked.

Demons don't use devil slaying magic though. Or rather, there's only 1 demon that uses devil slaying magic (Bloodman) and he only uses it because Silver used it. It's not quite the same as dragon slaying magic. Dragons use their power to fight each other all the time. Every dragon is basically a dragon slayer. As a species, they would gotten used to dealing with each other.

Right. I don't believe Laxus can oneshot Kyria either. Mainly because he didn't. Sure you can make the argument that God Serena was playing around initially. But by the time he activated his dragon slaying magic, he still took like 3 hits to finish off the Wizard Saints. I believe it would take at least the same amount of effort to take down Nebal. Possibly more, because Nebal is probably stronger than the saints. If you're saying God Serena has a stronger attack than what he's shown onscreen that can oneshot Nebal....well that's really giving him a feat he didn't show. Too much speculation for my tastes.

 

[grey matter]

Demons don't use devil slaying magic though. Or rather, there's only 1 demon that uses devil slaying magic (Bloodman) and he only uses it because Silver used it. It's not quite the same as dragon slaying magic. Dragons use their power to fight each other all the time. Every dragon is basically a dragon slayer. As a species, they would gotten used to dealing with each other.

Right. I don't believe Laxus can oneshot Kyria either. Mainly because he didn't. Sure you can make the argument that God Serena was playing around initially. But by the time he activated his dragon slaying magic, he still took like 3 hits to finish off the Wizard Saints. I believe it would take at least the same amount of effort to take down Nebal. Possibly more, because Nebal is probably stronger than the saints. If you're saying God Serena has a stronger attack than what he's shown onscreen that can oneshot Nebal....well that's really giving him a feat he didn't show. Too much speculation for my tastes.

Devil Slaying maic = demon attacks.
Which is why the attacks are named as "Ice devil's roar" and so on.

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Ice Devil Slayer Magic

Ice Devil Slayer Magic (氷の滅悪魔法 Kōri no Metsuaku Mahō) is a Caster Magic, Ancient Spell, Lost Magic[1] and a type of Devil Slayer Magic that utilizes ice. This Devil Slayer Magic allows the user to produce the element of ice for various purposes.[2] The first known user, Silver Fullbuster, seems...

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Gray was able to absorb MArd's attack only because he was devil slayer, and got 'demonized' in the process. Gray becoming more and more demonic in Alverez arc suggests the similarity between Dragon Slaying and Demon Slaying magic, the end-game of demon slaying magic is transforming into a demon (so of course it's demon's magic being used).
Every demon fights against other demons using demon magic

Laxus obviously can one shot her. He could've just used secret art with more force and one shot her instead of casually stomping her

Yes, GS surely has stronger attacks. Even Wendy has a a secret art, why won't Serena have one? All DS except Cobra has shown secret arts, IIRC. What Serena used on the saints were Natsu's equivalent of talon, wings etc. Those were his basic Dragon Saying attacks.
And yes, I believe Saints > Nebal. Alverez arc Wendy got casually stomped by Bluenote of all people. Stomping her isn't something special. What makes her OP is her enchantment and healing asspulls.

 

[Axiomus]

Devil Slaying maic = demon attacks.
Which is why the attacks are named as "Ice devil's roar" and so on.

Spoiler

Ice Devil Slayer Magic

Ice Devil Slayer Magic (氷の滅悪魔法 Kōri no Metsuaku Mahō) is a Caster Magic, Ancient Spell, Lost Magic[1] and a type of Devil Slayer Magic that utilizes ice. This Devil Slayer Magic allows the user to produce the element of ice for various purposes.[2] The first known user, Silver Fullbuster, seems...

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Gray was able to absorb MArd's attack only because he was devil slayer, and got 'demonized' in the process. Gray becoming more and more demonic in Alverez arc suggests the similarity between Dragon Slaying and Demon Slaying magic, the end-game of demon slaying magic is transforming into a demon (so of course it's demon's magic being used).
Every demon fights against other demons using demon magic

Laxus obviously can one shot her. He could've just used secret art with more force and one shot her instead of casually stomping her

Yes, GS surely has stronger attacks. Even Wendy has a a secret art, why won't Serena have one? All DS except Cobra has shown secret arts, IIRC. What Serena used on the saints were Natsu's equivalent of talon, wings etc. Those were his basic Dragon Saying attacks.
And yes, I believe Saints > Nebal. Alverez arc Wendy got casually stomped by Bluenote of all people. Stomping her isn't something special. What makes her OP is her enchantment and healing asspulls.

Not really. Demons don't even use magic. They use curses. So they don't fight each other using demon "magic". They fight each other using curses. Mirajane uses demon takeovers and she's not a devil slayer. Minerva and Jiemma were both demonized, and they aren't devil slayers either. Devil slaying magic is more effective than any curse when used against a demon. Dragon slaying magic isn't more effective than the power of an actual dragon.

Laxus didn't oneshot Kyria though. If we assume God Serena has better attacks, then why wouldn't we do the same for Nebal. After all, all he did with Dragon Force was throw regular physical attacks. He never got a chance to show off his secret arts either.

Bluenote stomped base Wendy. Nebal was winning against Wendy tapping into Irene's powers, which is stronger than her dragon force. It took Irene personally stepping in and using up her remaining MP reserves to oneshot Nebal. Besides, Bluenote got oneshotted by Natsu's base roar. The fact that Skullion thinks Nebal can take down a FT member after having already seen what Natsu can do to Madmole with Purgatory already puts him leagues above Jura tiers.

 

[WoWfan]

Serena takes this, GE are overrated

 

[grey matter]

Not really. Demons don't even use magic. They use curses. So they don't fight each other using demon "magic". They fight each other using curses. Mirajane uses demon takeovers and she's not a devil slayer. Minerva and Jiemma were both demonized, and they aren't devil slayers either. Devil slaying magic is more effective than any curse when used against a demon. Dragon slaying magic isn't more effective than the power of an actual dragon.

Laxus didn't oneshot Kyria though. If we assume God Serena has better attacks, then why wouldn't we do the same for Nebal. After all, all he did with Dragon Force was throw regular physical attacks. He never got a chance to show off his secret arts either.

Bluenote stomped base Wendy. Nebal was winning against Wendy tapping into Irene's powers, which is stronger than her dragon force. It took Irene personally stepping in and using up her remaining MP reserves to oneshot Nebal. Besides, Bluenote got oneshotted by Natsu's base roar. The fact that Skullion thinks Nebal can take down a FT member after having already seen what Natsu can do to Madmole with Purgatory already puts him leagues above Jura tiers.

Not true. Many demons use magic. Larcade is another example. And curse is just a variation of magic.
Slayer magic is sort of the demon magic, but not exactly. There is a reason why it's super effective, it's because it's a modified version of the same magic.
IF not, tell me why Gray is demonizing, the more he use it? Why did he demonize after absorbing Mard's curse (which is glaringly similar to Natsu 'dragonizing' after taking in huge magic power)? Why are Gray's attacks named : "ice devil's (insert name)" ? It's obviously demon magic, just modified in some way to be super effective.
I would say the same for dragon slaying magic as well. It is dragon magci, in some modified way to make it super effective on dragons. There is no other explanation for Erza, with broken bones, one shotting someone who is in August tier (IMO Dragon Eileen ~ August). August barely took any damage from GILDARTS' strongest spell, in a form he wasn't immune to.

I'm saying he could, not that he did. Obviously he can, she was fodder to him and hence he didn't use his full power.
No diff = one shot if serious.
Sure, that's fair enough. he didn't use his secret art. But he was clearly exerting himself, compared to Serena who was casual. Nebal was disappointed about exerting too much power cause he thought he accidentally killed Wendy.

As if it makes a difference. DF Wendy isn't touching Bluenote either.
Wendy with Eileen residue << Wendy Belsirion << human Eileen. Erza was overwhelming human Eileen even back in Alverez. So no, Wendy with residual power not > base Natsu. Base Natsu is Spriggan tier, residue power Wendy isn't.
LOL at statements. I'll take statements seriously when they're not contradicted by feats.

 

[Axiomus]

Not true. Many demons use magic. Larcade is another example. And curse is just a variation of magic.
Slayer magic is sort of the demon magic, but not exactly. There is a reason why it's super effective, it's because it's a modified version of the same magic.
IF not, tell me why Gray is demonizing, the more he use it? Why did he demonize after absorbing Mard's curse (which is glaringly similar to Natsu 'dragonizing' after taking in huge magic power)? Why are Gray's attacks named : "ice devil's (insert name)" ? It's obviously demon magic, just modified in some way to be super effective.
I would say the same for dragon slaying magic as well. It is dragon magci, in some modified way to make it super effective on dragons. There is no other explanation for Erza, with broken bones, one shotting someone who is in August tier (IMO Dragon Eileen ~ August). August barely took any damage from GILDARTS' strongest spell, in a form he wasn't immune to.

I'm saying he could, not that he did. Obviously he can, she was fodder to him and hence he didn't use his full power.
No diff = one shot if serious.
Sure, that's fair enough. he didn't use his secret art. But he was clearly exerting himself, compared to Serena who was casual. Nebal was disappointed about exerting too much power cause he thought he accidentally killed Wendy.

As if it makes a difference. DF Wendy isn't touching Bluenote either.
Wendy with Eileen residue << Wendy Belsirion << human Eileen. Erza was overwhelming human Eileen even back in Alverez. So no, Wendy with residual power not > base Natsu. Base Natsu is Spriggan tier, residue power Wendy isn't.
LOL at statements. I'll take statements seriously when they're not contradicted by feats.

None of the Tartaros demons use magic. They even say they don't.

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Maybe Franmalth is the one exception, but he literally absorbs people with magic and uses their power. His main power is an absorption curse. If Larcade uses magic he would be the exception, not the norm. Curses are different enough from magic that you can wipe all magic power from the continent, and curses would be unaffected. Again, none of the demons of Tartaros are as effective fighting each other as a demon slayer is. Minerva and Jiemma were demonized by Tartaros, and they weren't super effective against demons. Mirajane uses demonic magic, and she isn't oneshotting demons with her attacks either.

Gray demonizing is the same as a dragon force's dragonizing, in the sense that both is a progressive transformation. That part is similar between both magics. That doesn't change the fact that devil slaying magic is super effective against demons, whereas Dragon Slaying magic isn't super effective against dragons. Dragon Slaying magic is simply the only thing that is effective against dragons. You must have the power of a dragon to deal damage to a dragon. Since a dragon slayer is a human enchanted with the power of a dragon, they can harm dragons. However a human dragon slayer isn't more effective against a dragon than another dragon. On the other hand, you don't have to have the power of a demon to deal damage to any demon. It just deals more damage. A devil slayer is far more effective against a demon than another demon.

So again, if a human dragon slayer can oneshot dragons several tiers above them, then a weaker dragon should be able to oneshot dragons several tiers above them as well. This is not the case. Acnologia is stronger than Igneel, and he wasn't oneshotting when they fought. Natsu with Ignia's power was stronger than Mercphobia at half power. Didn't end in a oneshot. God Serena isn't oneshotting people like Jura or the Wizard Saints, so he is very unlikely to oneshot someone stronger than them. Keep in mind that Skullion's is confident that Skullion is confident that Nebal can take down a FT member, and one of this is after he saw what Natsu did to Madmole with FDK Purgatory. Finally, Erza was simply that strong. Even without the dragon slaying, she was able to shatter deus sema. So her sword swings carry with them enormous attack power to begin with. August might be able to endure it like Irene did, but it would probably give him a massive cut.

Nebal was sad because he thought he accidentally killed Wendy. Nothing suggested that he was pushing himself to his limits though. In fact, we know he wasn't because he didn't even really dragonized when he was bullying Wendy. He only dragonized after Wendy started using Irene's power.

 

[grey matter]

None of the Tartaros demons use magic. They even say they don't.

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Maybe Franmalth is the one exception, but he literally absorbs people with magic and uses their power. His main power is an absorption curse. If Larcade uses magic he would be the exception, not the norm. Curses are different enough from magic that you can wipe all magic power from the continent, and curses would be unaffected. Again, none of the demons of Tartaros are as effective fighting each other as a demon slayer is. Minerva and Jiemma were demonized by Tartaros, and they weren't super effective against demons. Mirajane uses demonic magic, and she isn't oneshotting demons with her attacks either.

Gray demonizing is the same as a dragon force's dragonizing, in the sense that both is a progressive transformation. That part is similar between both magics. That doesn't change the fact that devil slaying magic is super effective against demons, whereas Dragon Slaying magic isn't super effective against dragons. Dragon Slaying magic is simply the only thing that is effective against dragons. You must have the power of a dragon to deal damage to a dragon. Since a dragon slayer is a human enchanted with the power of a dragon, they can harm dragons. However a human dragon slayer isn't more effective against a dragon than another dragon. On the other hand, you don't have to have the power of a demon to deal damage to any demon. It just deals more damage. A devil slayer is far more effective against a demon than another demon.

So again, if a human dragon slayer can oneshot dragons several tiers above them, then a weaker dragon should be able to oneshot dragons several tiers above them as well. This is not the case. Acnologia is stronger than Igneel, and he wasn't oneshotting when they fought. Natsu with Ignia's power was stronger than Mercphobia at half power. Didn't end in a oneshot. God Serena isn't oneshotting people like Jura or the Wizard Saints, so he is very unlikely to oneshot someone stronger than them. Keep in mind that Skullion's is confident that Skullion is confident that Nebal can take down a FT member, and one of this is after he saw what Natsu did to Madmole with FDK Purgatory. Finally, Erza was simply that strong. Even without the dragon slaying, she was able to shatter deus sema. So her sword swings carry with them enormous attack power to begin with. August might be able to endure it like Irene did, but it would probably give him a massive cut.

Nebal was sad because he thought he accidentally killed Wendy. Nothing suggested that he was pushing himself to his limits though. In fact, we know he wasn't because he didn't even really dragonized when he was bullying Wendy. He only dragonized after Wendy started using Irene's power.

Most of your first and second para is just repeating what you said earlier. IMO, slayer magic = magic of dragon/demon/god etc + some modifications that makes them counter and be super effective.
Which means Dragons/Minerva/Jemma/Mira etc are no slayers. Slayer magic is similar, but has additional properties that makes them super effective.
As for Jackal thing, he barely understood it lol; Mard later said the 'truth' about curses, that END invented it by modifying magic (END part maybe retconn'd but curses being derivatives of magic is still valid).

Human DS can one shot Dragons at least 3-4 tiers above them. Erza one shotting Dragon Eileen, while having broken bones, is proof. No, Erza isn't that strong. She was barely keeping up with human Eileen, Dragon Eileen >> human Eileen. Human Eileen tanked few sword attacks from Erza as well (back when her bones weren't all broken).
Acnologia fought Igneel as a Dragon.
Natsu > 1/2 Merc? How? Just cause he ate Ignia's flames, doesn't make him that strong. Was Natsu with Atlas Flames magic > 1/2 of Atlas Flames power? I don't think so.
Natsu was still tiers below Merc, but managed to damage him because of super effective attacks.
God Serena obviously can one shot GOI and Jura. He no diff'd them casually, which means serious Serena one shots.
IDGAF about Skullions statements lol, statements = shit if feats counter them. Residual powers Wendy obviously << Wendy Belserion. And Wendy Belserion << human Eileen, Erza was putting up a fight against human Eileen, even back in Alverez, while injured. If Nebal got one shot by that, it means DF Nebal << injured Erza at Alverez arc. DF Nebal = trash

 

[Axiomus]

Most of your first and second para is just repeating what you said earlier. IMO, slayer magic = magic of dragon/demon/god etc + some modifications that makes them counter.
Which means Dragons/Minerva/Jemma/Mira etc are no slayers. Slayer magic is similar, but has additional properties that makes them super effective.
As for Jackal thing, he barely understood it lol; Mard later said the 'truth' about curses, that END invented it by modifying magic (END part maybe retconn'd but curses being derivatives of magic is still valid).

Human DS can one shot Dragons at least 3-4 tiers above them. Erza one shotting Dragon Eileen, while having broken bones, is proof. No, Erza isn't that strong. She was barely keeping up with human Eileen, Dragon Eileen >> human Eileen. Human Eileen tanked few sword attacks from Erza as well.
Acnologia fought Igneel as a Dragon.
Natsu > 1/2 Merc? How? Just cause he ate Ignia's flames, doesn't make him that strong. Was Natsu with Atlas Flames magic > 1/2 of Atlas Flames power? I don't think so.
Natsu was still tiers below Merc, but managed to damage him because of super effective attacks.
God Serena obviously can one shot GOI and Jura. He no diff'd them casually, which means serious Serena one shots.
IDGAF about Skullions statements lol, statements = shit if feats counter them. Residual powers Wendy obviously << Wendy Belserion. And Wendy Belserion << human Eileen, Erza was putting up a fight against human Eileen, even back in Alverez, while injured. If Nebal got one shot by that, it means DF Nebal << injured Erza at Alverez arc. DF Nebal = trash

I'm repeating it because it's true. What modifications? Dragon slayers is simply a human enchanted with the power of a dragon. There's no talk about them modifying the power of a dragon to be super effective. Devil slaying magic is different. It's simply a magic, which demons don't use to begin with, that is super effective against demons. If you use it too much, then you will demonize, but you can use the magic without demonizing as well. I suppose you can say that the ice demon that the magic was based off of had powers that were super effective against other demons, but then that would be one demon out of the entire species. No other demon has been shown to be super effective against other demons. That's far different from the case with dragon slayers, as every single dragon is a dragon slayer. Before the humans learned to enchant the power of a dragon into themselves, it was simply magic that the dragons used to kill each other.

Spoiler: This magic is meant for dragons to kill each other

Acnologia fighting Igneel as a dragon makes him even stronger. His powers of a dragon would have been at their peak. There's no reason to believe he would have oneshotted Igneel if he simply fought Igneel as a human. That's kind of silly, considering he lost an arm. Erza cutting Irene's dragon form is simply proof that Erza is strong. Erza was at the peak of her POF when she slashed Irene, which is why she was that strong. Natsu with Ignia's flames was stronger than half powered Mercphobia. I can give 2 reasons for that. First, he overpowered Mercphobia in sheer physical strength. Second, his FDK Gleaming Flames overpowered Mercphobia's serious roar. So be it physical strength or their magical attacks, Natsu with Ignia's flames was stronger.

Spoiler: Natsu out-wrestling Mercphobia

Spoiler: Natsu overpowering Mercphobia's roar

Mard was spouting nonsense. He's never even met END, let alone learned curses from him. END was the last demon to have been created, so he couldn't possibly have invented curses. That would mean Zeref created a bunch of power-less demons until he revived Natsu. Mard Geer had no clue what was going on in general. Again, curses are different enough from magic that you can wipe out all magic on a continent and curse users would be unaffected.

Wendy Belserion was basically on Erza's level, or slightly stronger. Losing to someone who was at least on Erza's level is by no means a bad showing for Nebal. It still places him solidly above any of the Wizard Saints, which Serena hasn't been shown to oneshot. You're critizing the use of statements, but you're not even using statements. You're making assumptions and imagining God Serena with stronger attacks than he's actually shown. I stand by what I said. Skullion places faith in Nebal being able to take down a member of Fairy Tail, after witnessing Natsu's attack power against Madmole. If he thought that people as strong as Natsu could oneshot Nebal, he wouldn't have made those statements. I don't trust Skullion's judgement in eveyrthing, but I trust them when he's ranking members of the dragon eaters among themselves. At the very least, he would be ranking Nebal above Kyria and Wraith.

 

[WoWfan]

You need to change how you show images, cannot see them from my end

 

[Ramen]

Can see them perfectly

 

[Verter]

Serena with first roar. Nebal actually hasnt any chance

as DS Nebal hasnt got high offence power, and Serena got. Also Serena multifunctional (with 8 different types of DS magic).

as semi-dragon, Nebal will be dead after 1st Serena roar.

 

[WoWfan]

Can see them perfectly

Now it works

 

[Crimson Ice]

Serena cleans up Nebal.

 

[Vis]

Yep.
So we shouldn't judge by him not being able to one shot Jura.

Why not? lol. Nebal, at the very least, would be at the same level as Jura, and Jura was not nearly one-shot by Serena.

We don't know how strong GOI are, all we do know is that they though they could take on Serena when they though he was an average Spriggan level. And that GOI are tiers above Jura. If we ever get GOI feats this arc, then we'll see.

All we know is that the Gods of Ishgal would scale to Jura. He's literally the only person you could gauge them from. Trying to find a way to further push them higher in the FT hierarchy would be giving them standing and courtesy they have neither achieved or shown any feats to deserve.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Nebal wasn't even able to defeat Wendy lmfao.

Serena claps.

 

[Orphan Prince]

Serena destroys Nebal, I think his roar would be enough to take him down, he one-shots or stomps depending on his mood.

Regarding his fight against the Saints, I think any of his attacks may have been able to one-shot them. The problem is, he threw attacks nonstop and only relented when August told him to stop, he himself even admitted that he overdid it. August likely stopped him because if he kept it up he would have killed them.

Spoiler: Serena's Assault

 

[FeatherineAugustusAurora]

Serena low-diffs

 

[sree]

Serena fodderstomps