Discussion Shichibukai Vs Yonkou

[vinsky]

Up`s Sorry i mistake to make the post where it must be.......
So I make the new post in here not in spoiler/index
Sry


So back to topic.......
Whose the winner if Shicibukai Vs Yonkou
Give u`r aggrument n the character winner

Thx b4

 

[paradoxe]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

All the Shichibukai are needed to ensure victory against just one of the Yonkou, Whitebeard. There are 3 other Yonkou, each rivalling WB's power..so I don't really think the Shichibukai stand much fo a chance.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

mihawk is stronger then shanks, nuff said.

 

[Razh]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

mihawk is stronger then shanks, nuff said.

Nuff said?

I really hoped for mature arguments here.

Shanks isn't alone. He has an entire crew of strong men. A nice indicator of Shanks' crew strenght is that dude Rockstar with 94 mil bounty.
After all. None of the Yonkou are going to fight alone. Their crews are involved too. Whitebeard has 1600 people under him. Maybe more.
And who says Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, anyway? They were equals before, but it is assumed that Shanks is weaker since he lost an arm, which is pretty dumb, considering this manga.

I don't think either of sides is going to prevail any time soon.
But if I had to pick, I'd say Yonkou. They are all strong, and they all have strong crews. WG is a lot more vulnerable. Technically, Yonkou could cripple WG and Marines without even having to fight them seriously. In other words, attacking small bases, conquering kingdoms and so on.
Besides, we've seen how many ships Shanks destroyed just to get to Whitebeard.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

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mihawk was already stronger then shanks when shanks was full power (else he wouldnt be nr.1 swordsman)

now shanks lost a arm aswell, no offence but it just shows what a beast Mihawk actually is.

 

[DaK]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

mihawk was already stronger then shanks when shanks was full power (else he wouldnt be nr.1 swordsman)

now shanks lost a arm aswell, no offence but it just shows what a beast Mihawk actually is.

not this topic again...mihawk is the strongest with the sword.....that doesnt mean he stronger than shanks....with the swords yes, but with pure strength and both arms its only an interpretation of yours...in clear words its nowhere stated that shanks or mihawk is stronger than the other....

yonkou=3 shicibukai

common shanks wb or the other could handle crocodile, moria, perhaps dolflamingo (uiiiiiii.....mindcontrol lol, look releigh could stop light with his feet...that is strengh) at ones

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

its quite obvious shanks is a swordsman aswell

 

[paradoxe]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

its quite obvious shanks is a swordsman aswell

Sorry but I think its quite obvious that Shanks is a karate master.

 

[Akainu]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

it's quite obvious that mihawk is the strongest swordsman because shanks lost an arm and mihawk then refused to duel with him. before that happend they had more than one encounter which means none was really much stronger than the other. else shanks wouldn't be a yonkou and mihawk wouldn't be a shichibukai.

 

[kkck]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

Shanks and mihawk use to be equal in the old days, that much has been said. WB statement that shanks and mihawk had several duels further support this. They only excuse there would be for several duels was that they always at roughtly the same level. I also read from the one piece wikia that losing his arm didnt make shanks weaker, and the reference for that was a databook(someone can confirm this????).
Considering all that, and that both, shanks and mihawk, have spend god knows how long at sea, they should still be at the same level, although until the manga confirms this there is no way of knowing.

As for the thread topic, I would have to say the yonkou would win againts the seven shichibukai. Considering the lastest developments it is apparent that all shichibukai are needed just to face of whitebeard, so there is no way that the shichibukai can defeat all the yonkou on their own.

 

[Razh]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

I think that vinsky meant Yonkou vs Marines and Shichibukai, because Shichibukai won't fight alone against them. The ones that are going to side with WG probably wouldn't dream of fighting alone.

As for Shanks vs Mihawk thing, I think it's hard to establish if Mihawk really is the best swordsman, since he said to Shanks that he won't fight a handycaped man (or something like it). Mihawk probably thinks that if he wins the duel, he won't feel any satisfaction from it, seeing how Shanks only has one arm.

It's the same as Whitebeard being the strongest man. I doubt it that he had an oponnent worthy enough for him since Roger. Maybe there are people strong enough to fight evenly with him now.

 

[Akainu]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

could it be, that WG tries to get rid of the Shichibukai? if not intentionally it would be the perfect chance for them

 

[vinsky]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

Hmmm Let`s Check of member from Shicibukai n Yonkou 1st then we can make the argument.....
Shicibukai : 1.Doflaminggo
2.Jinbee ?? [ Still Mysterious power ]
3.Moria [ Die Vs Luffy ]
4.Crocodile [ Die Vs Luffy ]
5.Kuma
6. Mihawk
7. ???? [ Last i never seen or heard ]
And Shicibukai have a new member for change the position Crocodile n Moria [ BB n Boa Hancook ]

Yonkou : 1. Shank
2. WB
3. Kaidoh [ Whos Defeat Moria in New World ]
4. ??? [ i never seen n heard for this last Yonkou ]

So Whos Vs Whos ? if u seen the list of member from Shicibukai n Yonkou ?
Thx

 

[paradoxe]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

And Shicibukai have a new member for change the position Crocodile n Moria [ BB n Boa Hancook ]

The fuck are u talking about?

Not supposed to talk about whats in spoilers, and Hancock isn't replacing Moria. Moria is still a Shichibukai, he isn't being replaced.

And losing an arm doesn't make Shanks weaker.
One piece logic =/= RL logic

Many superheroes have major defects..and yet they remain strong, eg Daredevil whos blind. Shanks might be the same.

I'm not saying Shanks is definitely stronger or equal with Mihawk, I'm just saying theres a possibility he is, considering his status as a Yonkou and teh fact that he could stand up to WB no problem at all.

 

[vinsky]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

hmmm but i think WG is wont help Shicibukai with all power because u have seen chapter 513 where Kuma help luffy
Kuma said Shicibukai Still Netral until some1 attack them 1st but Shicibukai want attacks Yonkou 1st

Just My Opinion

 

[noonethere]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

I think someone(maybe frankie?) mentioned it before but in the balance of power, a united front of shichibukai and marine HQ is supposedly equal to all 4 yonkou who fight among themselves. Had the Yonkou been allied, the WG would not have had a chance. Also i believe that any pirates who accept to become a shichibukai are more likely to be weaker than the Yonkou(if they were stronger, they would already have toppled one yonkou and ruled in the new world)

could it be, that WG tries to get rid of the Shichibukai? if not intentionally it would be the perfect chance for them

I think it's just that the shichibukai are disposable and can be replaced. Even if they are killed in the war(which is highly possible since they are on the front line), the WG could always look for other strong pirates. Also the WG must also know that the shichibukai are not completely obedient and have their own plans(which may explain why their number is limited to 7. Any more might be too dangerous for the WG) On the other hand, the WG would not risk loyal Admirals in the war and serve only as a back up. It must be hard to train someone to Admiral level and ensure that they remain faithful to the WG(Think of Drake who left the marines. Also some of the Vice admirals may be too old or not intelligent enough ( garp) and cannot be promoted to Admiral)

@vinsky:I think Kuma meant that shichibukai followed only the orders of the WG and do not collaborate with the Marines unless ordered by the WG.

 

[Franckie]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

Shichibukai do not stand a chance against the Yonkou. The three major powers - Yonkou, MHQ, Shichibukai - are balanced, but those three powers are not equal. The only reason the MHQ and Shichibukai balance out the Yonkou is because the Yonkou fight amongst each other. Yonkou would crush the MHQ and/or Shichibukai if all four pirates were to set aside their differences and cooperate with each other.

 

[bittman]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

On that Franckie: I think you overestimate the Yonkou too much. By that comment, the Yonkou should individually almost have the power to wipe out an admiral, yet they keep fighting desperately against the WG. The reason they are Yonkou is that the WG is yet to take them out, this doesn't mean they are more powerful (take the amount of times Luffy has fled from marines for reference). Whitebeard's has the largest crew/reputation and is most likely quite powerful, but whether he could take down any of the admiral's is questionable.

For reference also: I believe Rayleigh is "Yonkou-level" (if they had a level...), but it's not like he walked in and devastated Kizaru and Kuma. In fact, at best he delayed Kizaru.

 

[kkck]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

Old raileght is roughtly at the same level of an admiral. We dont know exactly how raileight and shanks/WB compare to each other, but if either of them is stronger than raileight then I would say that one of the four emperor can beat an admiral.
How can you say he at best delayed kizaru? The way I see it, it was clear that he was on equal footing with him and he hadnt even use a sword in god knows how long.
If admirals were stronger than a yonkou the WG wouldnt have trouble with them. Personaly I think that a yonkou is stronger than any admiral which is why yonkou are such a problem to the WG. Also there is a high posibility that like in the strawhats crew, the second mate is of a similar level compared to the captain, which would mean that there are at least two fighters in every yonkou's crew that can fight in similar levels to that of an admiral.

 

[bittman]

Re: Shicibukai Vs Yonkou

If that was the case kkck, Whitebeard (or another Yonkou) would have destroyed the WG long ago by picking off Admiral's one by one. It's quite obvious that the Yonkou don't go around looking for WG marines to beat up on, else the Shichibukai would have been gathered many times before.

And yes, at best Rayleigh delayed Kizaru. Kizaru never seemed terribly troubled, and had still not taken a hit but merely been canceled by Rayleigh's ability/haki-use. Impossible to judge for two reasons of course:
1) Rayleigh is older than old
2) Fight only took 4 full pages worth whilst Kuma spent the remaining 32 pages of those two chapters with his vanishing act.

I do agree with the point that the second mate is of a similiar (but obviously less) level to the captain, but in Whitebeard's case it would be many people who, in any other circumstance, are most likely equal to the power of a Shichibukai or possibly admiral.

My argument lies in the point that Whitebeard will not mop the floor with any admiral and would severely struggle and may even do so against some of the more powerful Shichibukai (Blackbeard or Kuma). As a pirate crew however, Whitebeard pirates may feel they have a chance even against seven Shichibukai. Besides the fact I think Blackbeard is the final boss, I also think Blackbeard will win because Whitebeard underestimates him severely as shown by his obvious disregard for Ace.v.Blackbeard when warned by Shanks. Whitebeard also overestimates himself, so that combined won't give him victory.