So how powerful is Current V?

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

So in recent chapter V finally shows himself and takes over Baam's body and seems to have instantly negated traumerei's disconnection ability.

Gustang needed eurasia's flames which are a counter to disconnection to deal with traumerei's disconnection.

Given V has been "asleep" for decades , how strong is current V now using baam's body?

 

[zoradante1]

So in recent chapter V finally shows himself and takes over Baam's body and seems to have instantly negated traumerei's disconnection ability.

Gustang needed eurasia's flames which are a counter to disconnection to deal with traumerei's disconnection.

Given V has been "asleep" for decades , how strong is current V now using baam's body?

i am guessing somewhere between fh level to big Z level but definitely not on Z level, it would not make sense for him to be that strong with baam's weak body.

 

[Pro Factor]

Depends on so many factors that it’s hard to tell. I see several scenarios here:

1) His Irregular power from back when he died. If this is indeed the case and he back then was as strong as Zahard I think right now he would be weaker than Zahard but stronger than some of the FHs. Maybe not all of them. People often say how FHs are much stronger now after thousands of years,but I don’t necessarily think it’s true. There was nobody to push them to get stronger and they were mostly chilling doing nothing,like Traum,so they are probably just a bit stronger than when they fought a war between themselves.

2) He only has powers of Bam and his knowledge and willingness to use them all as well as ability for doing so. In this case I would say he is quite a bit weaker than FHs,but much stronger than Bam was in any of his fights. We rarely see Bam utilize everything at his disposal,either due to him being tired or not wanting to or whatever reason. This case can be true because last few panels V said “Why do you hesitate”. To some extent it seems like he was literally saying “Why are you hesitant here,you have the power to change things,here let me show you”. It probably isn’t that,but something in his tone and manner of speaking is making me believe this is also a possibility.

3) His irregular powers from when he died + all of Bam powers… I mean this is just straight up broken, just thorn would be enough to boost any irregular powers into oblivion,I would assume in this state he would be easily as strong as Urek/Zahard if not stronger. This case is highly unlikely,but it’s not impossible,because SIU might have intended for V to stall Urek while Traum and Gustang battle it out.

4) Least likely option and I highly doubt it can be the case,but if he has all the powers of Bam + his own powers boosted by Arlene and outside god and what-not shenanigans… in this highly unlikely state he it would just be game over for whoever I would say.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

It will prolly be hard to tell even after some weeks. I doubt he will fight right now. He is just there to make decision instead of Night. He prolly won't be in control of body more than a minute.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Depends on so many factors that it’s hard to tell. I see several scenarios here:

1) His Irregular power from back when he died. If this is indeed the case and he back then was as strong as Zahard I think right now he would be weaker than Zahard but stronger than some of the FHs. Maybe not all of them. People often say how FHs are much stronger now after thousands of years,but I don’t necessarily think it’s true. There was nobody to push them to get stronger and they were mostly chilling doing nothing,like Traum,so they are probably just a bit stronger than when he fought a war between themselves.

2) He only has powers of Bam and his knowledge and willingness to use them all as well as ability for doing so. In this case I would say he is quite a bit weaker than FHs,but much stronger than Bam was in any of his fights. We rarely see Bam utilize everything at his disposal,either due to him being tired or not wanting to or whatever reason. This case can be true because last few panels V said “Why do you hesitate”. To some extent it seems like he was literally saying “Why are you hesitant here,you have the power to change things,here let me show you”. It probably isn’t that,but something in his tone and manner of speaking is making me believe this is also a possibility.

3) His irregular powers from when he died + all of Bam powers… I mean this is just straight up broken, just thorn would be enough to boost any irregular powers into oblivion,I would assume in this state he would be easily as strong as Urek/Zahard if not stronger. This case is highly unlikely,but it’s not impossible,because SIU might have intended for V to stall Urek while Traum and Gustang battle it out.

4) Least likely option and I highly doubt it can be the case,but if he has all the powers of Bam + hos own powers boosted by Arlene and outaide god and what not shenanigans… in this highly unlikely state he it would just be game over for whoever I would say.

Very well said. V probably has some kind of limit in how long he can use Baam's body. Also good chance he leaves Baam's body in future. I want it to be option 3. Urek vs V will be dope.

 

[maverickframe_19]

TBH I cannot tell for certain. The V that committed suicide had to be on par with Zahard. Current V has to be FH level easily. The feat he showed as soon as he showed up is enough to class him in the FH tier.

 

[Demonspeed]

Weaker than Urek .

 

[kkck]

Hard to say. It's also worth noting that at least traumerei has taken steps to increase his power through his tenure as family head. Something which is not as evident with gustang... It's possible other family heads and very likely zahard have taken steps to increase their power as well. V is obviously going to be powerful but his strength from 100000 years ago shouldn't get him better results now than before.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Hard to say. It's also worth noting that at least traumerei has taken steps to increase his power through his tenure as family head. Something which is not as evident with gustang... It's possible other family heads and very likely zahard have taken steps to increase their power as well. V is obviously going to be powerful but his strength from 100000 years ago shouldn't get him better results now than before.

From the looks of it , he casually negated traum's disconnection where blossom's sparks can do the same. Good chance he is above > Current gustang and Traum already. And while he is using baam's body , current base baam is no where that strong.

 

[kkck]

From the looks of it , he casually negated traum's disconnection where blossom's sparks can do the same. Good chance he is above > Current gustang and Traum already. And while he is using baam's body but current base baam is no where that strong.

I think there's way too many caveats to be sure of anything at this point.

1.- Is this even the actual V? The eye color is different.
2.- Or is this the god on the outside?
3.- Since this being is using bam's body as a vessel, it is also going to use bam's BS? The thryssas, thorns and leviathan wielded by someone on the level with family heads should be extraordinarily potent.
4.- On the disconnect front, can we even be sure that gustang has nothing else to stand up to that? While the fight is now most likely over as the plot seems to be headed towards forcing Gustang and Traumerei to have their chess match (where gustang might win simply because he has a piece other than a king) to me it remains a stretch that gustang is simply helpless against disconnect.

 

[maverickframe_19]

I think there's way too many caveats to be sure of anything at this point.

1.- Is this even the actual V? The eye color is different.
2.- Or is this the god on the outside?
3.- Since this being is using bam's body as a vessel, it is also going to use bam's BS? The thryssas, thorns and leviathan wielded by someone on the level with family heads should be extraordinarily potent.
4.- On the disconnect front, can we even be sure that gustang has nothing else to stand up to that? While the fight is now most likely over as the plot seems to be headed towards forcing Gustang and Traumerei to have their chess match (where gustang might win simply because he has a piece other than a king) to me it remains a stretch that gustang is simply helpless against disconnect.

Disconnect maybe, 3D Disconnect I doubt. If he had something in his library worthy of negating that move wouldn't it make sense for him to pull out that instead of Blossom's spark of flame which was lying dormant in him by the way? The only saving grace I could give Gustang from this whole fight is that, as Traumerei got stronger through absorbing his "all creatures" and sea dragons that had his power, maybe Gustang gets considerably stronger through absorbing dumas and the rest of his writings.

 

[Demonspeed]

I think there's way too many caveats to be sure of anything at this point.

1.- Is this even the actual V? The eye color is different.
2.- Or is this the god on the outside?
3.- Since this being is using bam's body as a vessel, it is also going to use bam's BS? The thryssas, thorns and leviathan wielded by someone on the level with family heads should be extraordinarily potent.
4.- On the disconnect front, can we even be sure that gustang has nothing else to stand up to that? While the fight is now most likely over as the plot seems to be headed towards forcing Gustang and Traumerei to have their chess match (where gustang might win simply because he has a piece other than a king) to me it remains a stretch that gustang is simply helpless against disconnect.

What makes Disconnection so dreadful is that it can cut anything. There shouldn't be many ways to deal with it other than something like absorption, or power negation. This would make the ability a lot less impressive. The simplest way to deal with it is to dodge it. Gustang can supposedly manifest anything with his book but his use has been pretty bad.

 

[kkck]

What makes Disconnection so dreadful is that it can cut anything. There shouldn't be many ways to deal with it other than something like absorption, or power negation. This would make the ability a lot less impressive. The simplest way to deal with it is to dodge it. Gustang can supposedly manifest anything with his book but his use has been pretty bad.

I think this still comes down to siu farting out stuff that counters the uncounterable. Disconnect supposedly cuts anything but blossom has a flame that burns stuff at the conceptual level. There's no specific reason to think other family heads lack comparably godly stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if hon can straight up cut disconnect..

 

[maverickframe_19]

I think this still comes down to siu farting out stuff that counters the uncounterable. Disconnect supposedly cuts anything but blossom has a flame that burns stuff at the conceptual level. There's no specific reason to think other family heads lack comparably godly stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if hon can straight up cut disconnect..

My line of thinking is very simple. The tower is all about shinshoo. The one with the best control and understanding of shinshoo and can use it to its absolute efficiency will end up the strongest. Blossom spark negates disconnection, Urek punches disconnection, and V wakes up and dissipates disconnection only because their shinshoo control skill and shinshoo use are better than Traumerei's.
It's the same with haki and devil fruits in one piece. Devil fruit users won't be the strongest, but the ones with the best understanding and control of haki will be the strongest. Shanks can use Conquerors Haki, and so can Joyboy, but who would win in a fight? Obviously, Joyboy because his conqueror haki is the strongest in the verse.

 

[kkck]

My line of thinking is very simple. The tower is all about shinshoo. The one with the best control and understanding of shinshoo and can use it to its absolute efficiency will end up the strongest. Blossom spark negates disconnection, Urek punches disconnection, and V wakes up and dissipates disconnection only because their shinshoo control skill and shinshoo use are better than Traumerei's.
It's the same with haki and devil fruits in one piece. Devil fruit users won't be the strongest, but the ones with the best understanding and control of haki will be the strongest. Shanks can use Conquerors Haki, and so can Joyboy, but who would win in a fight? Obviously, Joyboy because his conqueror haki is the strongest in the verse.

Gustang is, to the best of our knowledge, the most knowledgeable person in the tower regarding shinsoo. Shinsoo control is about innate talent, not effort or understanding or knowledge. Blossom was originally framed as having no clue whatsoever about how shinsoo operates. Traumerei just farted out disconnect one day. Strictly speaking shinsoo control has never even been the meta in the tower's combat. The tower's combat system has mostly favored meatheads who are just kinda indestructible (kallavan, ran, princesses...) through the story. The tower's combat system isn't balanced or fair neither from a lore or story perspective.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Gustang is, to the best of our knowledge, the most knowledgeable person in the tower regarding shinsoo. Shinsoo control is about innate talent, not effort or understanding or knowledge. Blossom was originally framed as having no clue whatsoever about how shinsoo operates. Traumerei just farted out disconnect one day. Strictly speaking shinsoo control has never even been the meta in the tower's combat. The tower's combat system has mostly favored meatheads who are just kinda indestructible (kallavan, ran, princesses...) through the story. The tower's combat system isn't balanced or fair neither from a lore or story perspective.

I think you missed my point quite a bit. Having Knowledge doesn't equate to you having the best shinshoo control. Talent + training + Hardwork to your craft a lot play a key role in developing your level of shinshoo and your command over them for different scenarios you might face during a fight.

 

[kkck]

I think you missed my point quite a bit. Having Knowledge doesn't equate to you having the best shinshoo control. Talent + training + Hardwork to your craft a lot play a key role in developing your level of shinshoo and your command over them for different scenarios you might face during a fight.

Hmmm, that still depends imo. Take evankhel for instance. She was envious of ari shanons finesse but she was still basically stronger than all of kallavans followers put together. This is still applicable to any area of shinsoo combat. Arie swordsmanship is largely regarded as the strongest combat style in the tower and the arie are not known for shinsoo control. Aguero climbed a third of the tower as someone strong among his peers and the jackass neglected his training to the point he could barely form a bang. As in, he was barely capable of shinsoo control at all. While the wave controller position has an offensive and defensive variant they are still largely regarded as inferior combatants to scouts or fishermen. The ha are one of the strongest families and their characteristics combat style is built around reinforcement. Shinsoo control is ultimately just one facet of combat in the tower and the overall meta still favors those who can eat damage while delivering killing blows.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Hmmm, that still depends imo. Take evankhel for instance. She was envious of ari shanons finesse but she was still basically stronger than all of kallavans followers put together. This is still applicable to any area of shinsoo combat. Arie swordsmanship is largely regarded as the strongest combat style in the tower and the arie are not known for shinsoo control. Aguero climbed a third of the tower as someone strong among his peers and the jackass neglected his training to the point he could barely form a bang. As in, he was barely capable of shinsoo control at all. While the wave controller position has an offensive and defensive variant they are still largely regarded as inferior combatants to scouts or fishermen. The ha are one of the strongest families and their characteristics combat style is built around reinforcement. Shinsoo control is ultimately just one facet of combat in the tower and the overall meta still favors those who can eat damage while delivering killing blows.

But, Tower of god is a story where your family lineage plays a key role in how powerful you are. Take Jinsung Ha for example, even in his family he's special as he's a technician. He honed his craft to the point where he's respected not only in FUG but in the Ha family as well.

Evankhell has an ancient one inside, who fully controls an element in the tower.
Basically, I am saying that there's a level to this shit.
Arie swordsmanship is the strongest combat style, no doubt but their attacks are in conjunction with their sword skill using shinshoo as a base element to attack and defend.

White/Abilities and Powers

As a Slayer of FUG, White was noted to have a fearsome level of power and strength. The appearance of his "final clone" revealed his power to be "higher than a Ranker's", as indicated by Evan Edrok,[8] suggesting that White's power could have been revered as something akin to a High Ranker...

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Using shinshoo control could mean many things for different families. Every family has developed their fighting style based on their understanding of shinshoo. The reason I say this is the first time we were properly introduced to shinshoo-based attacks on the hidden floor, Data Eduan started with shinshoo control skill, Eduan style, Maschnney style, 25th Baam style, so forth and so on.
TBH it's a difficult concept to explain that's why I made that Haki comparison with One Piece. But unlike OP, Tower Of God shinshoo use is very diverse and varies a lot from family to family and user to user.

 

[Demonspeed]

I think this still comes down to siu farting out stuff that counters the uncounterable. Disconnect supposedly cuts anything but blossom has a flame that burns stuff at the conceptual level. There's no specific reason to think other family heads lack comparably godly stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if hon can straight up cut disconnect..

That's the thing. They can only "counter" it with these kinds of abilities. It's still extremely overpowered. Dodging it should be the standard even for FHs.

 

[VON]

What if V is doing what’s possible with Bam’s current abilities and power? He’s using it to it’s full potential.