So is Blackbeard evil or what?

[gao_dargon]

well i guess it depends on youre definition of evil, for me a man that does bad things (like murder) for selfish reazons is an evil person

 

[Drmke]

I think he is a bad guy in the series, but as far as the age of pirates goes, I would just consider him another man trying to achieve his dreams by any means necessary. And its hard to categorize that as either "good" or "evil".

 

[gao_dargon]

I think he is a bad guy in the series, but as far as the age of pirates goes, I would just consider him another man trying to achieve his dreams by any means necessary. And its hard to categorize that as either "good" or "evil".

thats true, in a real life pirate age, he would be a normal guy, but then again evil in that time was not a big consept xD, thats why i said is relative to the morals of each person, for charles manson BB would be a very nice guy

 

[JC123]

P.D I think Shiryuu was vice chief

Actually, Shiryuu was the same status as Magellan. He ruled ID when Magellan was away for 17 hours a day.

And I kinda think of BB as the REAL blackbeard. He's not as insane (seriously, the guy lit his beard on fire to scare the crap outta people. It worked. Let's also remember he set his boat on fire as a challenge to his crew and was the Last. Man. to get out of it) but his determination is just the same.

 

[gao_dargon]

i guess we will be able to make that call further ahead as the series goes on, right now he has done some very ambiguos things to be 100% sure

 

[ofir271]

his beard is black and not white...
he bring emptiness and not light...
he got no value to other poeple life...as opose to luffy...

in my dictonery thats evel.
the best posible evil.
a one you can accept and even like
so good is also an acceptible part.

 

[rejectz]

in Chapter 544 he said" we are gonna shake this world to the core in a few hours"<<something like that....

My Theories:
- The Shicibukai are the ones who will rescue Ace....yes even Blackbeard who captured him
- We Will see all the Yonkou there..Gaidou and Yandoi as well....
- SOMEONE WILL DIE....someone important....maybe Whitebeard or even Ace..hmmmm???
- Dragon will meet Luffy???
- The Crew have already joined up?? and meet Luffy there..<<i know weird but i think its a waste of time to make the next arc about finding them all...maybe Kuma will teleport them all to Marine HQ

 

[bittman]

in Chapter 544 he said" we are gonna shake this world to the core in a few hours"<<something like that....

My Theories:
- The Shicibukai are the ones who will rescue Ace....yes even Blackbeard who captured him
- We Will see all the Yonkou there..Gaidou and Yandoi as well....
- SOMEONE WILL DIE....someone important....maybe Whitebeard or even Ace..hmmmm???
- Dragon will meet Luffy???
- The Crew have already joined up?? and meet Luffy there..<<i know weird but i think its a waste of time to make the next arc about finding them all...maybe Kuma will teleport them all to Marine HQ

1. Would ruin the WG as any sort of enemy, basically guarantee pirates will rule the world in chaos.
2. Kaidou is fighting Shanks, and the other Yonkou would definitely not be captured, wouldn't be a Yonkou if they were captured really...
3. Whitebeard and/or Ace's death would shake the world, but given Blackbeard is in Impel Down, it would not be "his show".
4. Also not Blackbeard's show.
5. What's that shaking?

Blackbeard himself is going to shake the world to it's core, the fact that he believes he can do this when Whitebeard is fighting the WG means more than we can possibly imagine at this stage. The world is shaking right now, but to think you can shake it more than this once in a lifetime conflict is quite a boast.

I've heard many guesses to Blackbeard's intentions, but none have given me shivers. I expect Oda to give me shivers with this one...

 

[modoki]

in Chapter 544 he said" we are gonna shake this world to the core in a few hours"<<something like that....

My Theories:
- The Shicibukai are the ones who will rescue Ace....yes even Blackbeard who captured him
- We Will see all the Yonkou there..Gaidou and Yandoi as well....
- SOMEONE WILL DIE....someone important....maybe Whitebeard or even Ace..hmmmm???
- Dragon will meet Luffy???
- The Crew have already joined up?? and meet Luffy there..<<i know weird but i think its a waste of time to make the next arc about finding them all...maybe Kuma will teleport them all to Marine HQ

I may have figured out what blackbeard is trying to do to shake the world. Check this out.

I believe that Blackbeard will release these three from Impel Down and add them to his crew as well (Shiryuu being a former warden he should have "keys").

1. Catarina Devon ( Most dangerous woman in the pirate age )
2. Basco Shot ( The heavy drinker )
3. San Juan Wolf ( The Collosal Battleship )

These three individuals according to Ivankov in Chapter 538 had crimes that were so bad, the marines wanted their history erased completely. Apparently someone told BB about them, and now fate will probably be on his side more than ever.
If these three are released, no doubt BB will have a very dangerous and powerful crew, and Sengoku will probably stress real badly if he finds out.


There is a chance when BB surfaces he may definitely be the one to end WB's life and may take the title of strongest man alive, possibly Yonkou.

When i say Yonkou, i mean support and power.As you can see from this war, Whitebeard living like an emperor has so much support from tons of pirates that support him. They are going as far as putting their life on the line for one his Captains, Ace. That's loyalty and real support.
Now, if these three notorious criminals in level 6 had plenty of allies during their time that helped them be soo dangerous, that concept may be revived just to really get BB's name out there and get support as well. That's some pretty big dark fate.

 

[ZenoArmani]

Yeah, I also drew the same conclusion some time back. It would make Blackbeard into a much more serious Younkou-level threat, with 5 Shishibukai or even Marine Admiral level crew members including himself.

Btw: About the topic: As Blackbeard said himself in Impel Down, he has no standards of good and evil, since he doesn't believe any to exist, and as such he is completely amoral and willing to do anything whatsoever that benefits him in the slightest, which makes him similar to Doflamingo (and extremely evil to almost anyone who has any standards), but is less sadistic, stylish and showy about it, and does believe in ambitions and dreams, since these connect to the rule of power and enjoyment. Dead underlings wouldn't benefit him, so he tries to keep them safe if they are useful, but is othervise willing to sacrifice anyone, and has no true honour or loyalties beyond himself.

 

[Poneglyph420]

Yes, BB would be "evil" by definition, but by no means is he intentionally evil.
He's totally self concerned, and diabolical. I think he is just out for himself, but he has a vision of romance and holds true to the dreamers ethic of pirating...


I think he is "evil" but not in a chaotic, madness, tenryuubito way..

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I may have figured out what blackbeard is trying to do to shake the world. Check this out.

I believe that Blackbeard will release these three from Impel Down and add them to his crew as well (Shiryuu being a former warden he should have "keys").

1. Catarina Devon ( Most dangerous woman in the pirate age )
2. Basco Shot ( The heavy drinker )
3. San Juan Wolf ( The Collosal Battleship )

These three individuals according to Ivankov in Chapter 538 had crimes that were so bad, the marines wanted their history erased completely. Apparently someone told BB about them, and now fate will probably be on his side more than ever.
If these three are released, no doubt BB will have a very dangerous and powerful crew, and Sengoku will probably stress real badly if he finds out.


There is a chance when BB surfaces he may definitely be the one to end WB's life and may take the title of strongest man alive, possibly Yonkou.

When i say Yonkou, i mean support and power.As you can see from this war, Whitebeard living like an emperor has so much support from tons of pirates that support him. They are going as far as putting their life on the line for one his Captains, Ace. That's loyalty and real support.
Now, if these three notorious criminals in level 6 had plenty of allies during their time that helped them be soo dangerous, that concept may be revived just to really get BB's name out there and get support as well. That's some pretty big dark fate.

I really like this theory, and can see how it would pan out. This would also bolster his crew for the NW... Very nice ideas. I that's the case BB will have increased his crew's power greatly..

Thanks Modoki (Great name btw...modoki ..)

 

[ZenoArmani]

Well, it's not like it's a new theory, chess4 and I have both independently come up with it before just to start with, but since several people have reached the same conclusion on their own maybe that shows that the idea makes sense?

 

[Razh]

Can any of you explain why would famous and dangerous pirate captains like that settle for being just crew members?

 

[urlaub]

Why did Ivankov follow Luffy? Luffy has something that Dragon has. BB has that too.

Anyways, there could be many possibilities why they would follow BB. Oda just has to choose some logical ones.

 

[Razh]

Why did Ivankov follow Luffy? Luffy has something that Dragon has. BB has that too.

Don't be absurd. Ivankov didn't join Luffy's crew. And he expected that Dragon will get involved, so he thought his time to move has come. He didn't just follow Luffy. Might wanna read that part again.

It's not much of a theory when you guys can't even give a few good reasons why a couple of pirates who were strong and dangerous enough to be in level 6, would settle as crewmen under some captain.

 

[chess4]

Can any of you explain why would famous and dangerous pirate captains like that settle for being just crew members?

for the same reason shiryuu joined, either go with BB or stay in impel down to die. thats not much of a a choice in my book. also was it ever stated they were captains? i thought they were just famous pirates.

BB is as carismatic as luffy. as twisted as he is, he obviously cares about his crew because he told them to run when he fought ace. a hardened killer like shiryuu submited himself to BB's crew in an instant.

BB is aiming for the top. the same reason the strawhats follow luffy, is the same reason those 3 will follow BB(thats if he is there to get them) because he is crazy and reckless enough to break into impel down, then he must be crazyt enough to aim for pirate king. the saying birds of a feather flock together is approriate here(yea i know its corny). as soon as shiryuu meet BB, he knew BB was the real deal.

the Blackbeard pirates are just a darker version of the strawhats, and i think they will be a big time crew in the new world. i also think they are destined to duke it out with the strawhats for the title of pirate king.

the BB's have no ship nor do they have any female crewmates, and their crew is small and will be small. san juan's nickname is colossal ship, so he obviously has a ship or is a shipwright or something. and ms devon would be that one female in the group.

makes a lot of sense to me. like i said earlier, its either join or stay in impel down, just that alne would get them to join.

 

[urlaub]

Well, I know there are more issues why Ivankov joined the jailbrake gang. I just pointed out one possible reason. As I stated Oda could use more logical ones if he wants. Do you think that Oda will not be able to find any logical reasons for them joining, if he would want them to join? Well, if you think Odas possible reasons will not satisfy you, then you will be just another unsatsfied fan.

But if you want to see the logic already now, before this possible act is reasoned in the future, then for example:

1)BB promises them freedom to kill and slaughter
2)to rule the world
3)to offer them freedom
4)to not kill them( in their bad and disadvantaged state their in)
5)BB has some D-charm you know
6)He offers them to participate in the war and have a chance at getting the gold-medal again.
7) He let's them see that with him they could fulfill their dreams.
8)Shiryuu joined BB by some stupid reason anyway. Oda could have had a better one probably. It shows that there have to be no genius reasons.
9) Where these pirates claimed to be stronger than BB or Shiryuu?
10)Maybe some of them wanna revenge on Rayleigh, Shiki or Garp and the 3 admirals etc.
11)Nico Robin was pretty strong in his time, when joining the SHs. Maybe those three do not have a goal in their life and nowhere to go, lik Robin or something?
12)BB needs some new nakama anyway to match the strawhats I think. At least he needs a ship and San Juan is named a ship.
13)BB went onward to lover levels after he probably had made Shiryuu is nakama. Do you expect Shiryuu to be his only target? More like an accidental choice? etc


Well yeah, chess's ideas are also good. Waiting for scrutiny!

 

[Razh]

Maybe they haven't been captains, but they should have been ridiculously strong to be put in level 6.

I always thought that it's a possibility that Blackbeard will get some prisoners in his crew. But he didn't go to ID just to recruit some pirates that Oda mentioned before. Oda doesn't foreshadow things in such an obvious way.
Also, Blackbeard recruiting 3 more people in his crew is hardly an event that will shake the foundations of the world.

He either came for one specific prisoner or he came for something that we don't know nothing about yet. Like a tunnel to Red Line or something.
That San Juan may be a shipwright too. I really doubt that he has a devil fruit that transforms him into a battleship. How would he work at sea?
Blackbeard might need a shipwright to build him a ship. Maybe that San Juan is someone who saw the blueprints of legendary weapon.

Anyway, that's what I'm trying to say. You don't break into ID like that hoping to get some random recruits. You come for someone specific.

 

[urlaub]

Yeah those could be the specific three. Anyhow, San juan could be a flying battleship. Jus imagine the strawhats and BB having a flying ship battle. Would be extraordinary!

To be more exact: I have been predicting that San juan is a flying ship for about a month now.

 

[Razh]

To be more exact: I have been predicting that San juan is a flying ship for about a month now.

Yeah, good luck with that...

Oda mentioning 3 names among many lv 6 prisoners and Blackbeard coming to get exactly those 3 would be lame, in my opinion. And it's not how Oda does things.