Discussion Strongest character in One Piece?

[Imitorar]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Bounties. I know that they tell your threat to the World Government, not your strength, but still, a high bounty means that you're pretty strong. I would say that whichever one of the Yonkou was second strongest, or if one of the Shichibukai happens to be stronger then the second strongest Yonkou, then that guy would become the strongest person in the world. We just don't know, so I assumed Shanks, because we saw him fight Whitebeard and hold his own, and because since he has ALOT of experience as a pirate, I figure that that might give him a bit of an edge. And he probably picked up a bit from Roger.

(Before anyone asks, I assume Buggy did too, but he didn't care because he only cared about treasure, not good fighting, and he probably got rusty or forgot while he was hanging around East Blue, the weakest sea, whereas Shanks only spent about a year there, so he didn't get too rusty.)

 

[Impel Down]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

But Shanks also tied with Mihawk, but since he lost his good arm, he's weaker, so by that logic, would the people of the world appoint Mihawk as both the Greatest Swordsman AND the World's Strongest?

Choosing the Strongest Man in the world of OP is a slippery slope.

 

[Imitorar]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Shanks and Mihawk haven't fought in a long time. Shanks might be able to hold his own even without the arm he lost. I'm not saying that Shanks WOULD automatically be the strongest, I just guessed him, because he tied with the current strongest, just like Whitebeard is the strongest now and he always tied with Roger. One of the Shichibukai or other Yonkou may be stronger then Shanks, but weaker then Whitebeard or something, I don't know. Shanks was just a guess on my part, I'm not saying that he's canonically the second strongest guy in One Piece.

 

[Musashi_Keiji]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Alright here it goes:

1. Dragon
why?: He's the biggest threat to the WG, as a revolutionary directly working against the WG. Other than him the only person to do such a thing is Luffy. He controls the freaken weather, which include, wind, rain, snow, lighting, making it unbareably hot, humid, arid, etc.

2. Blackbeard
Why?: The way his power of darkness works. He's basically a living black hole and can create it bigger. He can nullify devil fruit powers. Unfortunately because he absorbs everything, attacks are more dangerous to him. But isn't that how the most power techniques are? So powerful it even harms the user?

3. God Eneru
Why?: what makes him so special from other elemental power users like Ace and Aokiji? The fact that Eneru is insane. He doesn't want to be king, take over the world or anything like that. He straight up wants to OWN the moon(remember he considers the moon more important than earth) as God. Above his electrical power he can use techniques such as the mantra. He can mold weapons out of metal, have them super heated while fighting. Using the mantra he can locate someone far away and send a lethal shock, vaporizing them. Using his ship/weapon which from the looks of it I would say would be on the level as one of the weapons such as Pluton, he can create a huge Electrical cloud and vaporize an island. Why isn't he first? Dragon using his power can nullify and beat eneru, by summoning rain, remember water short circuits electricity. Blackbeards power can nullify devil fruits. Although if Eneru is smart he could use his mantra and just kill them from 20miles away lol.

4/5(tie) White Beard:
Why?: considering his reputation and past he said to be the strongest man alive (physically or in general, not sure). Fought many times with Gol D. Roger himself. Also Apparently he hasn't shown any signs of devil fruit power. To be that strong without a power is very impressive. Tie with Garp.

4/5 (tie) Monkey D. Garp:
Why?: Basically the same as Whitebeard. Legendary marine. Cornered and chased Roger many times. He's so strong that his punch actually harms Luffy. Also no apparent devil fruit power. Really him and Whitebeard seem tied.

6/7(tie) Mihawk and Shanks:
Why?: Shanks has no fruit power, and from the way he attacked Whitebeard recently with 1 arm and sword he is clearly very strong. Mihawk the greatest swordsman alive. why are they down on 6/7? Because they are relatively younger than Garp and Whitebeard. That's my only reason really. They should be about tied with them.


All others such as Ace, Smoker, Aokiji, CP9, etc. most of them are too evened out amongst each other to really be given a certain rank. Even in the top 7 i made there are ties.

 

[IgnorantSage]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

1. Dragon
why?: He's the biggest threat to the WG, as a revolutionary directly working against the WG. Other than him the only person to do such a thing is Luffy. He controls the freaken weather, which include, wind, rain, snow, lighting, making it unbareably hot, humid, arid, etc.

While he is indeed the biggest threat to the WG, this does not automatically make him the strongest person in OP both in terms of individual power or the power of the crew/revolutionaries he commands.
In individual power , although there is a good chance that he really does control the wind (or weather), this has not been confirmed yet.
In terms of the power of revolutionaries, the WG still trumps them. It only happens that the WG forces are spread more thinly than the revolutionaries but if both groups have a battle in a single place using their full forces, I doubt the revolutionaries stand much chance.

4/5 (tie) Monkey D. Garp:
Why?: Basically the same as Whitebeard. Legendary marine. Cornered and chased Roger many times. He's so strong that his punch actually harms Luffy.

It was a fist of love!!! XD
Even Nami's punches could hurt Luffy, and has done more damage than Garp's punch.

 

[Impel Down]

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Nami's punches hurt Luffy, because they were fists of Love! And I admit, Garp does have immense physical strength, although, we really haven't seen the extent of WB's power. But, with Garp, that brings up another point I'd like to make about the Strongest: Whitebeard said that there were only a few people around now with the power from Roger's day, and Garp and Sengoku were two of them. So, I'm guessing the two of them could be candidates for next Strongest, excluding Luffy, of course.

 

[smellyCheese]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Pooo this is hard.. for mt it's
1)White Beard
2)Black Beard - Darkness power
3)Enel

 

[Impel Down]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

But, Enel was defeated, so wouldn't it be

1)WB
2)BB
3)Luffy ?

 

[weird_h]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Didn't Garp say it himself that he has gotten a lot weaker due to his old age...
I think that even that he can beat luffy now, he's nowhere near current top 10 of stronges guy in OP world...

 

[smellyCheese]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

But, Enel was defeated, so wouldn't it be

1)WB
2)BB
3)Luffy ?

Luffy is the exeption, as he 'will" become the king of the pirates therefore he will be Number '0', and he was made of rubber, and Even oda said that Enel would surpass most of the 7 warlords of the sea..

 

[Impel Down]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

But Luffy told Enel that he wouldn't last against the people in the Grand Line, so I doubt he would go on a total rampage. Lucci would probably put on some rubber gloves and beat the shit out of him.

 

[Imitorar]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Assuming that Lucci's alive. But either way, I doubt Enel could take out the Yonkou, and the Shichibukai, not to mention the rest of the Marines. And Oda-sensei may have said that Enel was stronger then the Shichibukai, but I think he meant any individual Shichibukai. Not all remaining 6 at once. That would be nearly impossible for anyone, Enel included.

 

[smellyCheese]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

ah, no when i said most of Shichibukai, i mean one on one not 6 on 1, no way then enel beat all of them. But i still think that he has one of the best devil fruit power, it makes him immune to almost everything except rubber..

ha!, Lucci with rubber gloves! LOL, great idea! Zoro with rubber covers over his sword!

 

[Impel Down]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Well, with the Shichibukai, we can't really gauge their power very effectively, and even with the ones that we can, they are immensely powerful on their own. There are three Shichibukai so far we know nothing about, one that we know is considered a Strongest in his own category, and the other is also very powerful so far, and is whoopin' Luffy a little bit right now.

 

[Anax]

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First of all, to simply answer the question the way I see it: "There is no strongest character".

At first I was about to agree with Jammer's thoughtful and realistic approach, when I realized that One Piece is just too far from being realistic. It's true that in a fighting manga the power levels at any given time are important, and it's logical to assume that the mangaka himself probably keeps charts. Personally, though, I assume the stats always shift as time in the One Piece universe is passing and the world is changing.

Now, my main argument is, "strength is relative". One Piece isn't an RPG with elemental affinities and "levels", even though it closely resembles one. In an RPG one element will prevail over the other, unless the inferior element surpasses by far the dominant in level. For example a lighter (Lvl. 1) VS an iceberg (Lvl.99) or an ice cube (Lvl.1) VS a flame thrower (Lvl.45). Still, One Piece is a shounen manga, and such rules can be bended! If the lighter has enough drive, if it has purpose and if it is important to the story, it will melt the iceberg... and no one will think twice about it! Just like Shanks lost an arm to a sea king that not many volumes later Luffy could gomu-gomu-no-Pistoru to oblivion, and yet he is still considered powerful by characters all over the One Piece universe. At that point in time Shanks had to lose an arm for a small dose of tragedy and a sea king was the means to it, however silly that may sound now that we've seen Shanks knock out Shirohige's whole crew just with his presence.

Of course, you can see this from another perspective: Strength is always relative! Every individual character has strong and weak moments. Sanji obliterated Absalom because he was in his Will o' wisp of love mode! Who can honestly say what would have happened in another place, some other time? Gold Roger could have been in the latest stages of cancer when he was caught for all we know.

Reputation is another element that needs to be considered. 'Bad guys' are always introduced in a way that makes them seem like a huge obstacle the main characters will have to overcome. For example Axe-Hand Morgan was feared by the marines he commanded, as well as the people of Shell Town but now he is a joke, just as Don Krieg was feared in East Blue but was a nobody in the grand line, having been defeated along with his fleet of 5,000 ships single handedly by Mihawk. As the story progresses, new 'bad guys' will always be introduced in an atmosphere of awe, but they won't always maintain their status, as the story progresses and the other characters perform feats of increasing magnitude.

Spoiler: Side note on Mihawk

Mihawk single handedly disposed of a fleet of 5,000 ships -by no means an easy feat- and yet it's typical for such exagerations to happen in shounen manga, without the event necessarily being a measure of the character's reputed or actual (if still relative) strength. Zoro wiped out a mere(!) 100 people and was given a nickname for it. Later on he will defeat Mihawk, but that doesn't mean he'll wipe out 5,000 ships by himself.

Lastly, strength is relative because it can have lots of meanings. Shirohige might be the strongest man in the world in terms of physical strength (and by looking at him, I'd say one of his parents was a giant >.>), Mihawk could be the strongest swordsman, Ussop the 'strongest' liar, Luffy might have the strongest spirit or drive etc. If your definition of the strongest character is, "the one who can defeat any other character in the One Piece universe at any given time, in any given place", I simply don't think such a person exists!

 

[Impel Down]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Mihawk also took on pretty weak pirates, they were trapped in a storm, they didn't really understand who he was, and: He's Mihawk. Of course he's going to defeat 5,000 normal men! Hell, he could take out the entire army of Enies Lobby (sans CP9)

 

[Imitorar]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

And Shanks wasn't trying to fight the Sea King when his arm was bitten off. He was just trying to save Luffy. Luffy WAS trying to fight. And besides, that was 10 years ago. Shanks was strong even back then, but he couldn't have brought almost all of Whitebeard's crew to their knees with his mere presence. He's stronger now. Now, maybe he wouldn't lose that arm. And Luffy was a joke then too. You can't use Romance Dawn to prove strength. But I agree with the gist of your post: there is no guy in One Piece who would beat anyone, anywhere, anywhen.

...

Except Luffy, who always beats his opponent in the end. He'll always get up and fight until he wins. But he still has to progress against some opponents as he fights them to do that, he can't do it effortlessly. That I'll agree to.

 

[Anax]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Except Luffy, who always beats his opponent in the end. He'll always get up and fight until he wins. But he still has to progress against some opponents as he fights them to do that, he can't do it effortlessly. That I'll agree to.

My opinion is that even by the end of the series, not even Luffy will be that man, simply because he won't have to fight everyone. Just like he didn't have to fight Perona. Yes she was a joke character, yes she was there only to boost Ussop's coolness, no Luffy couldn't have prevailed against her. How about Mr.1? Zoro had to learn how to cut metal to win against him, what would have Luffy done? Being sliced is his reputed weakness, isn't it?

Anyway, I'm not trying to start a "what if" side topic here, after all the thread starter merely wanted to see who we think is the strongest character in the One Piece universe, and I've already answered for myself. What I'm trying to do, is further explain why I said what I said. One Piece is a fighting manga and so far Oda has made it so each character fights someone they are "compatible" with. From my perspective Luffy is always meant to fight the strongest character in a group, but that character is in turn made with him in mind, so that an interesting fight will occur.

Luffy isn't truly cut out to win against anyone in the world. He needs his nakama.

That's what I believe.

 

[Imitorar]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Valid point, he does need his crew or he'll die. He said exactly that when he fought Arlong, after Arlong laughed at his attempts to use swords, and Luffy responded with "Of course I can't use a sword!" But he COULD have beaten Pelona (Gomu Gomu no Baka) and Mr. 1 (Gear 3rd. By the way, I know I'm pushing his abilities in this sentence, don't start calling me out on that. I know that both of these suggestions are sort of long shots.). Just not then. He does need his crew, but I don't know if it's for their fighting skills. He said that there were weak people in his crew, and that was why he had to protect them all. He needs his crews survival skills, but I'm not sure if he needs their fighting skills. But your points are good points, really. When I think through it all, maybe Luffy could defeat all the major opponents so far, but it's not a sure thing. He'll probably never be able to beat anyone. He'll always fight the strongest opponent, and he'll always prevail in the end, but that doesn't mean that he could beat anyone, simply due to their different strengths and abilities and personalities. So I guess you're right, overall. After all, it's not like you have to be able to win in all situations to be Pirate King. Roger obviously lost in at least one situation. I guess you just have to be able to win in MOST situations, and have impressive deeds and adventures to your name. That's what piracy in One Piece is all about really, risking your life for glory and the pursuit of adventure. How Viking.

 

[Impel Down]

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Oda-sensei did love vikings.

And of course Luffy isn't going to fight every single person, but he will fight the strong ones. I'm pretty sure Crocodile was stronger than Mr. 1, and Enel could defeat Ohm, and that Moria could defeat Perona, so those are the only ones he needs to fight.