Discussion Strongest character in One Piece?

[Imitorar]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

See, that was one of the nice things about DBZ, at least the Saiyan, Namek, and Frieza Sagas. You knew exactly who was stronger then who, because people with scouters would announce it every so often. It did stop when Freeza transformed halfway into his second form and said that his power level was over 1,000,000, (right before he gored Krillin), but it was nice while it lasted. My point: One Piece oughta get a few guys with scouters to avoid all this arguing. Toriyama-sensei had the right idea. See, nobody argued over which CP9 member was stronger then which, because FUKUROU ALREADY ANNOUNCED IT. It'd be nice if that happened a bit more often. And the one thing that DOES get mentioned periodically and IS trackable, namely, bounties, should not be used to measure a characters strength because they were not designed with that use in mind, according to Oda-sensei himself.


And I know that Oda-sensei likes Vikings. (And based the giants off of them, it's quite obvious.) That's how I came up with the idea that Luffy represents the Viking idea of "adventure and glory" piracy, whereas Bellamy represents the other "gold and rum" type of pirates. (For those who don't know, I use those two as the champions of the opposing ideologies of the meaning of piracy, based on jabbament's One Piece preview here.

 

[Impel Down]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Well, but the thing is in OP, they make it pretty clear who's the strongest of all of them. The fact that they all followed Lucci, he protected Luffy, the story of him when he was a kid, and all that showed that he was the strongest, it wasn't totally nessicary for them to show his power level. It was just a way to demonstrate the power of the CP9. And with captains to crew mates, as well as reputations and such, it shows who's strong and who's not. Having it be clear who's stronger and such not isn't really very realistic, which I like about OP kinda.

 

[Imitorar]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

True, but at least we wouldn't have people who think that Aokiji is the strongest in the world, when for all we know, one of the other Admirals could be, and Whitebeard IS and the other Yonkou and the Shichibukai are probably around equal with him. My point is, while it's obvious who's the strongest among the villains group (Who actually thought that Kuromarimo or Chess was stronger then Wapol? Or Hatchan was stronger then Arlong? Or Ohm stronger then Enel? Or Mr. 1 stronger then Crocodile? The list goes on, but I'm not gonna go through them all) it'd be nice to know who's the strongest among the non-villains. While it would make the series a but unrealistic and predictable and too ordered to have "power levels" to analyze (that's the reason Toriyama-sensei stopped doing it in Dragon Ball) it would at least stop people coming up with some truly ludicrous opinions, such as some that I've seen in this thread. But you're right, it will probably never happen, and overall, it probably is better that way.

 

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Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Well, part of the idea behind the high-up titles is just to show to the reader how powerful someone is. And since each one of those you mentioned were the "captain" or whatever of the others, that also shows to the reader that they were stronger, that and their reputation.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Mihawk strongest in the world?

Mihawk used to spar with shanks,

WB is the strongest in the world, but shanks fights him with 1 arm and they are equal..

Mihawk doesnt even try to fight shanks anymore coz he lost a arm

so

shanks = wb

mihawk > shanks/wb?

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

i think Zoro will become the strongest one in fighting ability, since he trains alot and luffy doesnt train at all..

 

[MDLatqp]

Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

Nope, sorry. Mihawk is definitely a more proficient swordsman, but that doesn't make him stronger overall. Since Oda's said it, that's the way it is; Whitebeard is the strongest in the entire world. And Mihawk is the greatest swordsman in the world (for now), so that's how it stacks up. If they fought, then Whitebeard would win (assuming that's what Oda means by strongest, which I'm pretty sure it does).

 

[Impel Down]

Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

Well, WB isn't as strong as we was, of course, but against Mihawk, he could certainly engage him in a good fight. It's not like WB's really a swordsman, though. He wasn't even using a sword against Shanks.

And you can't say that WB and Shanks are totally equal just because they blocked each other's swords. I'm sure in a real fight they'd do more.

 

[Impel Down]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

I'm sure Luffy trains, and he's always designing new styles and whatnot too.

And Zoro only really has one kind of "fighting ability" and it's his goal to be the "Strongest Swordsman" anyway, so he can be strongest in that regard.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

but shanks is a emperor , and mihawk doesnt even want to spar/train with him becouse he lost a arm , so that makes mihawk alot stronger, and shanks and white beard seemed equal to me

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

well in power they are equal anyway

Luffy Needed gear 2 to defeat blueno 800 doreki
Zorro battled kaku withoud buffs = 2200 doriki withoud his DF power
Zoro blasted kaku away like it was nothing with his gorilla muscle pumping = gear 3rd
zoro defeated kaku in 1 hit when he used asura , = gear 2th and 3th doubled

Luffy defeated lucci with 4000 doreki after a long fight and with alot of gears and he was totally up in the end

while zoro wasnt badly damaged after beating kaku in 1 hit with asure

 

[Imitorar]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

You're forgetting that Lucci's Doriki was almost DOUBLE Kaku's. Luffy was fighting an opponent twice as strong as Zoro's, with more mastery of Rokushiki, and a more dangerous Devil Fruit. (Kaku was very creative with his abilities, but I still think that a leopard is more of a threat then a giraffe, even a cleverly-used giraffe.) Zoro could not have beaten Lucci, Asura or not. Though that probably has less to do with strength, and more to do with the fact that Zoro could never keep up with Rokushiki on Lucci's level. Could he break Lucci's Tekkai? Could he follow Lucci's speed with Soru? Luffy was strong enough to beat a much stronger opponent, AND he had the ability to match that opponents attacks so that Lucci wouldn't run rings around him. Ability to match a stronger opponent+strength to match a stronger opponent=stronger.

And you're also forgetting that Luffy was actually even with Blueno before he used Gear 2nd, and once he did use Gear, he crushed Blueno in about a minute. He probably could have won without Gear 2nd. He just didn't have the time. I'm betting you now that in Gear, Luffy could beat Zoro in Asura. I'm not gonna say it would be easy, but Luffy's stronger and faster, so he would win.

 

[Imitorar]

Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

No, Mihawk won't fight Shanks because he feels it's dishonorable to fight a guy with one arm. It has nothing to do with strength. And they probably aren't completely even anymore, you know, it's been a while since they've sparred together. Shanks has become a Yonkou, and Mihawk a Shichibukai since then, so one may be stronger then the other now. And Shanks and Whitebeard matched blows ONCE. So Shanks could last against Whitebeard for a little while, at least, in a real fight. Which makes sense, because Shanks IS a Yonkou, even if he isn't the strongest man in the world and Whitebeard is. But in a real fight, Whitebeard would probably overpower Shanks over time. Whitebeard is stronger and can sustain that level of fighting for longer, Shanks cannot. Shanks would be unable to keep expending that much strength after a while, while Whitebeard would still be able to. You can't prove anything from the one blow we saw them trade, except that the gap between them isn't gapingly huge. It may not be that big, but there is definitely a gap. In Whitebeard's favor.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

luffy cant beat a oponent thats 3 times stronger then blueno in 1 hit , gear or not

but few things

when he hired zoro for his crew, zorro said he would kill him if luffy would hinder him in becoming the strongest swordsman ,

several people asked themselves why he wasnt the captain with such power

these are hints of oda what would refer zoro > luffy in combat

body strenght they are equal, but zoro is more skilled

when zoro and luffy were brainwashed , zoro won also

and im also wondering why u people say zoro cant keep up with soru, becouse he could keep easely up with soru of kaku

and at sanji and zoro, in the movie zoro owned sanji, and in OP serie 223 sanji kicked zoro but it didnt had any effect..

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

well shanks is also a sword fighter, and mihawk is worlds BEST swordsman

so mihawk > shanks

i still think shanks and WB are equal,

and since WB was equal with gol D roger

mihawk > gol d roger ? :P

 

[AgentSmith]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Id put my money on Eneru. Luffy beating him was just dumb (i am prety sure melted gold would burn rubber in a few sec). Plus Eneru can self revive, he is as fast as lightning and can kill anything with a heart. He would turn Crocodile into glass, Aokiji would probably be a draw, Lucci couldnt hit Eneru cos he cna read minds etc.

 

[Imitorar]

Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

No. Just no. There is no way that Mihawk is even EQUAL to Roger, let alone stronger. And Mihawk being the best swordsman means in a technical sense. He fights with pure swordsmanship. Shanks isn't really a swordsman, he just fights with a sword. There is a subtle difference. Mihawk may be the better swordsman, but Shanks may be the better fighter. He may have more strength. More cleverness. More crazy random tricks. Just less ability to execute complicated sword moves. Mihawk is a better swordsman then Shanks, but as to who is the better FIGHTER, I would say that we can't know. One is a Yonkou, the other a Shichibukai, so they are both very good fighters, but which is actually better is unknown, since we haven't seen them fight and don't really have another method of comparing them.

And you didn't read what I wrote about that one clash between Whitebeard and Shanks not proving anything, did you? It's like in Dragon Ball when Goku was fighting Frieza, before he became a Super Saiyan. Goku was able to match Frieza at first, but over time, he couldn't sustain that level of strength, and Frieza still could. Frieza could keep fighting at that level, or pushing himself higher, and Goku couldn't. It's the same thing here. Shanks can match Whitebeard in the opening clash, but that doesn't mean that as a fight wore on, he wouldn't tire out faster then Whitebeard, or Whitebeard wouldn't be able to push himself farther then Shanks could. Shanks can't sustain a level of strength that can match Whitebeard for too long, and Whitebeard can sustain that level of strength, because Whitebeard is stronger. That's what it means when it says that he's the strongest man in the world. Think what you want, but Oda-sensei says that he is at this point in time, and he is right and you are wrong, because he is the creator of One Piece, and thus what he says is canon is inarguably canon.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

No. Just no. There is no way that Mihawk is even EQUAL to Roger, let alone stronger. And Mihawk being the best swordsman means in a technical sense. He fights with pure swordsmanship. Shanks isn't really a swordsman, he just fights with a sword. There is a subtle difference. Mihawk may be the better swordsman, but Shanks may be the better fighter. He may have more strength. More cleverness. More crazy random tricks. Just less ability to execute complicated sword moves. Mihawk is a better swordsman then Shanks, but as to who is the better FIGHTER, I would say that we can't know. One is a Yonkou, the other a Shichibukai, so they are both very good fighters, but which is actually better is unknown, since we haven't seen them fight and don't really have another method of comparing them.

And you didn't read what I wrote about that one clash between Whitebeard and Shanks not proving anything, did you? It's like in Dragon Ball when Goku was fighting Frieza, before he became a Super Saiyan. Goku was able to match Frieza at first, but over time, he couldn't sustain that level of strength, and Frieza still could. Frieza could keep fighting at that level, or pushing himself higher, and Goku couldn't. It's the same thing here. Shanks can match Whitebeard in the opening clash, but that doesn't mean that as a fight wore on, he wouldn't tire out faster then Whitebeard, or Whitebeard wouldn't be able to push himself farther then Shanks could. Shanks can't sustain a level of strength that can match Whitebeard for too long, and Whitebeard can sustain that level of strength, because Whitebeard is stronger. That's what it means when it says that he's the strongest man in the world. Think what you want, but Oda-sensei says that he is at this point in time, and he is right and you are wrong, because he is the creator of One Piece, and thus what he says is canon is inarguably canon.

then why marco and that other big guy next to WB offered WB help?

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and well, im not saying gol d roger and mihawk are equal, im saying mihawk is stronger :P

 

[Imitorar]

Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

How do you know that Luffy couldn't bean an opponent 3 times stronger then Blueno in one hit? (Oh, and Zoro didn't beat Kaku in one hit. THERE WAS A WHOLE FIGHT BEFORE THAT SLASH. He landed a really strong attack that finished Kaku. The fact that Kaku had suffered alot of damage throughout the fight probably contributed to that. Asura didn't finish Kaku when he was at full strength.)

And now, in order...

Zoro saying he would kill Luffy at the beginning proves nothing. That was then. The beginning of the series. They've gotten stronger since then. When they fought at Whiskey Peak it was a tie, yet Luffy was too stuffed to move for most of it, and that was then. Things have changed a abit over the last 350 or so chapters. And Zoro didn't even know how strong Luffy was when he said that. That line was to establish Zoro's character, which it did very well. Not to say that Zoro is stronger. And Zoro isn't the captain because it takes more then strength, it takes leadership skills. Luffy can keep the crew bound together, can fight for all their dreams, can make the big decisions that need to be made. Zoro can't do that as well.

Zoro is more skilled? At what? Swords, yes. But fighting? Who says that Zoro is an all around better fighter then Luffy? Luffy is very skilled at fighting, and is extremely creative, and is extremely skilled at using the Gum Gum fruit to its full potential. He's plenty skilled. Just at hands-free fighting with a rubber body, as opposed to fighting with three katana.

When were Luffy and Zoro brainwashed?

Lucci's Soru would be faster then Kaku's, because Lucci has a higher Doriki.

 

[Imitorar]

Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

They weren't offering to help him, they were offering to deal with Shanks FOR him, because Shanks wasn't worth Whitebeard's time, in their eyes.

And I said there was no way Mihawk was EVEN equal to Roger, and certainly no way that he's stronger then Roger was.