Discussion Strongest character in One Piece?

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Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

being yonkou doesnt mean ur stronger then a Shichibukai

Shichibukai = former pirates,persons allied to the WG to take down other pirates..
yonkou = leaders of pirate groups who are dominating the new world


but in 1 on 1

Mihawk > shanks

and how can mihawk be stronger then gold roger?

WB = Gold Roger

shanks = WB = Gold d roger

mihawk > shanks
 

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Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

Let me explain various things, right now.

Mihawk and Shanks were =, but then Shanks lost his good arm and Mihawk refused to fight him, since he said it would put him at a disadvantage. Shanks, however, still insists on a fight, so maybe he's not less powerful.

Whitebeard and Roger were equal in battle, yes, but that was 22 years ago, so WB has probably gotten weaker.

It's a bit complex, but it kind of fucks up all the equations out there.
 

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Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Well, can't two Logias cancel each other out, like Smoker and Ace? Or was Oda-sensei referring to BB or the ocean or sneak attacks?

And I don't think Mihawk would add Sea Stone to his sword, since he seems to pride himself in being purely a swordsman.
 

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Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Well, if he just coated the edge in Seastone, that is still swordsmanship. Just modified so it will work on Logia's too. It isn't just a weapon that looks like a sword but isn't, like Ohm's Cloud Dial Sword. And out of curiosity, does Oda-sensei write the Data Books? Because I heard that the Dragon Ball Daizenshu weren't written by Toriyama-sensei, so ever since, I've been reluctant to trust data-books. Do you know for sure that Oda-sensei wrote the One Piece Data Books? And if so, from where?
 

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Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

I'm sure that Oda-sensei does. He's Oda! And it's not like the books show who's the "Strongest". WB's title was clearly displayed in the manga itself.
 

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Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

I wasn't asking on Whitebeard being strongest, that's in the manga itself, like you said. I meant about the beating Logia users without Seastone and natural weaknesses. By the way, Smoker and Ace's fruits canceling each other out probably counts as a natural weakness.
 

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Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

Yeah seriously Dutch, you've some flawed assumptions that totally throw off the results.

First off, recognize that Yonkou probably ARE stronger than Shichibukai, and I'll prove it using a really stupid mathematical proof.

If it's numbers you like, consider that there are only four Yonkou while there are seven Shichibukai. If the three world powers are meant to balance themselves out, assign an arbitrary value of 1 to the total strengths of each organization. That means Shanks is at 1/4 and each Shichibukai is at 1/7 (this, of course, does not take into account the crews, so just ignore that for now). So tell me, which number is bigger?

And before y'all go nuts, keep in mind that that's just ONE conceivable argument. Personally, I just threw it out there because Dutch seems to like equations.

So getting back, your very first premise is unfounded. You cannot say that Mihawk is better than Shanks. And that, of course, destroys the rest of your 'argument'. Impel Down puts it quite well, so go re-read that if you still don't believe me. And remember, though Mihawk is the world's greatest swordsman, the fact that Shanks fights with a sabre doesn't mean he ONLY fights as a swordsman. Which of course means that even though Mihawk is a better swordsman, it doesn't mean he's a better fighter. That's an integral part of your argument as well. So like I said, initial assumption is faulty, and the rest crumbles.

But, for argument's sake, let's say it didn't.

You claim that Whitebeard and Roger are totally equivalent. I believe the quote from the manga (and do correct me if I'm wrong) was that "...he [WB] was the only one to ever fight evenly with him [Roger]." If you read that carefully, that DOESN'T mean that WB would win, simply that he could hold his own for some amount of time. Keep in mind though, Roger was King of the Pirates, which means, for all intents and purposes, that he was the strongest. We can't say WB = Roger or that WB > Roger. We're forced to settle with WB < Roger (though we can be pretty confident that he was the second strongest pirate in the world at the time).

Now if we fast-forward, Oda CLEARLY states that WB is the strongest man in the world (right now). That means Shanks can't be equal to him. So THAT line is wrong too.

...after all of that, do I really need to say anything about that last line?

Damn, that was tiring, lol.
 

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Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Yes the databooks are written by Oda Sensei(but they have more pics than information), and in the databooks you will find many informations that you don´t find in tha manga: for example concerning Shanks crew, Yasopp is the best snipper in the world, the fat guy(can´t remember the name) is the fastest guy in the world and the vice-captain Beckerman is the most clever man in the world. There are a lot of cool information. I´m portuguese, and i already read one of the books scanlated by a brazillian One Piece fan site.
 

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Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

Beckman is the smartest man from East Blue, if I remember, not the world.
 

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Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

dam i wish i had access to those databooks! but they just don't seem to be translated to english at all! :(
 

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Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

hollowfied:you are right, i said world but it´s east blue, i read that data book 2 years ago, so i didn´t remember of everything very well, thanks.
 

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Re: Who's the most strongest guy in op ?

With the smartest thing, he was the smartest man in that saga, so maybe not in the whole East Blue, but Yassopp and Lucky Roux were considered the best sniper and fastest man, respectively, in the world, not just the East Blue.
 

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Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

Yeah seriously Dutch, you've some flawed assumptions that totally throw off the results.

First off, recognize that Yonkou probably ARE stronger than Shichibukai, and I'll prove it using a really stupid mathematical proof.

If it's numbers you like, consider that there are only four Yonkou while there are seven Shichibukai. If the three world powers are meant to balance themselves out, assign an arbitrary value of 1 to the total strengths of each organization. That means Shanks is at 1/4 and each Shichibukai is at 1/7 (this, of course, does not take into account the crews, so just ignore that for now). So tell me, which number is bigger?

And before y'all go nuts, keep in mind that that's just ONE conceivable argument. Personally, I just threw it out there because Dutch seems to like equations.

So getting back, your very first premise is unfounded. You cannot say that Mihawk is better than Shanks. And that, of course, destroys the rest of your 'argument'. Impel Down puts it quite well, so go re-read that if you still don't believe me. And remember, though Mihawk is the world's greatest swordsman, the fact that Shanks fights with a sabre doesn't mean he ONLY fights as a swordsman. Which of course means that even though Mihawk is a better swordsman, it doesn't mean he's a better fighter. That's an integral part of your argument as well. So like I said, initial assumption is faulty, and the rest crumbles.

But, for argument's sake, let's say it didn't.

You claim that Whitebeard and Roger are totally equivalent. I believe the quote from the manga (and do correct me if I'm wrong) was that "...he [WB] was the only one to ever fight evenly with him [Roger]." If you read that carefully, that DOESN'T mean that WB would win, simply that he could hold his own for some amount of time. Keep in mind though, Roger was King of the Pirates, which means, for all intents and purposes, that he was the strongest. We can't say WB = Roger or that WB > Roger. We're forced to settle with WB < Roger (though we can be pretty confident that he was the second strongest pirate in the world at the time).

Now if we fast-forward, Oda CLEARLY states that WB is the strongest man in the world (right now). That means Shanks can't be equal to him. So THAT line is wrong too.

...after all of that, do I really need to say anything about that last line?

Damn, that was tiring, lol.
Oda's words are absolute! No defying them! He says someone's the strongest - He IS the strongest! :p
 

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Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

I'd just like to throw out again that Shanks and WB did not "fight" and in their "fight" they were not "equal". They clashed swords. That's all they did. Most swordsmen clash swords. That doesn't mean that they're equal. Kaku's blocked Zoro's attacks before, that didn't make them equal.
 

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Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

They were just sparring.

Isn't there a saying - 'real men speak with their actions' , or something like that?

Maybe Shanks was trying to emphasise his words.
 

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Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

wasnt jimbei defeated by general gasparde?
 

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Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

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Gasparde is a movie character, and the movies aren't considered canon. Besides the fishman that Gasparde defeated was called 'Willy', apparently an old rival of Arlong's, maybe he was in the same crew as Jimbei, but definitely not Jimbei himself.
 

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Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

wasnt jimbei defeated by general gasparde?
First off, movie. Second, who said that Jimbei was the Strongest in the World? Hell, in the movie, Gasparde wasn't even the strongest in the world by a long shot.
 

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Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

Jimbei >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gasparde

and probably WhiteBeard >>>> Jimbei, though I don't think by that much.
 

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Re: Whitebeard Strongest in the World?

why people say jimbei is so strong?
 
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