Question SWORD Will Defect From the World Government?

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SWORD Will Defect From the World Government?​

If X. Drake is the captain of the SWORD group then what does his fight at Wano mean? X. Drake had fought alongside Apoo against CP-0 in an effort to assist Luffy. Wouldn't that mean that he has turned his back on the World Government?

He is confusing.
 

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With how sword apparently operates to me it's a bit unclear what drake was doing to begin with. The initial impression that SWORD gave was that they were a sort of marine intelligence division in charge of covert operations of sorts. What it actually is though is a section of marines that want to engage with yonko at their own discretion and agree to sign blank resignation letters so that the WG can clean it's hands of them at a moment's notice. It's clear drake was collaborating with other marines but it's unclear how covert ops fit into this or if they even are properly sanctioned by the WG/marines. I suppose if drake made it back to the marines then his actions must not be seen as too troubling for the WG.

I do think that coming the final war we will probably see some dissention among the marines. I suppose by now it's obvious that coby will be a key player in such a development. By now he has acquired power, worldwide fame and nothing but respect from his peers. He is easily in a position to take point in such a development.
 

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SWORD members are already defected from the Marines

But they act in collaboration with the Marines due to common goals
 

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SWORD members are already defected from the Marines

But they act in collaboration with the Marines due to common goals
SWORD is an unofficial unit of marines. They certainly haven't defected to another side, and they haven't quit (or even Garp would be angry at them). Coby still wants to be marine admiral. Obviously he wouldn't be in SWORD if there was no path for him to do that from there.

They could really use a lesson from Issho on how to play their cards so they keep their position while effecting the justice the world needs.
 

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Hmmm, no, sword aren't already "defected" from the marines. They are all fully employed and within the marine's chain of command. All members of sword we have seen have actual ranks within the marines. They even wear marine uniforms while in duty. Koby is a member of sword and we saw him scorting royalty to the reverie.
 
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SWORD I understand is officially its own entity that just so happens to have strong loyalty to the Marines.

This way they can do things the regular Marines don’t usually do, and if a SWORD member screws up, Sakazuki can just say “Eh, that guy just acted on his own. He has no official obligation with us, so we’re not at fault.”

SWORD is basically “the fall guy” for the Marines basically.
 

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Yeah, pretty much. Sword members do what they want and the government has no accountability for it. It is worth noting that what the manga has explained about sword is not exactly consistent with what we have seen and how actual events play out. The manga does say sword members are outside the chain of command but in practice they all keep their ranks.
 

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SWORD I understand is officially its own entity that just so happens to have strong loyalty to the Marines.

This way they can do things the regular Marines don’t usually do, and if a SWORD member screws up, Sakazuki can just say “Eh, that guy just acted on his own. He has no official obligation with us, so we’re not at fault.”

SWORD is basically “the fall guy” for the Marines basically.
I think the easiest comparison to make is that SWORD members behave like Batman does. He does what cops can't do because they have to listen to rules. For example, SWORD members don't need to get permission for things like attacking an Emperor of the Sea, whereas every other Marine needs permission before they can do anything.
 

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I think the easiest comparison to make is that SWORD members behave like Batman does. He does what cops can't do because they have to listen to rules. For example, SWORD members don't need to get permission for things like attacking an Emperor of the Sea, whereas every other Marine needs permission before they can do anything.
I suppose, except that the Marines generally seem more approving of SWORD than the cops are of Batman. lol
 

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I think the easiest comparison to make is that SWORD members behave like Batman does. He does what cops can't do because they have to listen to rules. For example, SWORD members don't need to get permission for things like attacking an Emperor of the Sea, whereas every other Marine needs permission before they can do anything.
Sort of, but Batman was never a cop and can't "return" to being an official cop.

From the wiki (link):
SWORD members are permitted to station themselves in Marine bases[5] or join official Marine squads during missions.[6] It is also possible for members of SWORD to return to the Marines as full-fledged personnel, even if they have been assigned a bounty as criminals.[7] Members can also still be promoted to higher Marine ranks.[8]
 

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Anyway... The point of this discussion was to consider that the World Government as we know it may be replaced by another form of government that isn't ruled by the Celestial Dragons later.

SWORD may be the precursor to the new government if it happens to disagree on key principles that are currently upheld by Celestial Dragons and figures like Akainu and those in the Cipher Pol group who have, in the past, committed crimes against the world.

In this way, Coby, Smoker, and and X. Drake may become the new Admirals of the new government.

It is also possible that SWORD will actively resist the World Government by siding with the Straw Hat Pirates eventually.

Note: Smoker is not currently a member of SWORD, but I think he has a focus as a character because he is the marine that has fostered ideas about a new way to do things since he was first shown.
 

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Sword as precursor to the new government no. The new government would fall on the Kings and Queens of the world and the Revolutionaries not Sword.
As for sword defecting maybe maybe not. As they are right now they are just a Black ops unit with more wiggle room than the regular Marines just allowed bend or break certain rules like confronting the Emperors.
 

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That's a good point. With the gorosei/imu/tenryubito removed the path would be quite opened for the WG to become what it has pretended to be for the past 800 years. Member countries would make up the world's governing body... it's not a perfect scenario but it's one that spares the world the power vacuum of the world government potentially disappearing and enables the marines, which are actually important for the purpose of keeping pirates at bay, to continue operating.
 

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Anyway... The point of this discussion was to consider that the World Government as we know it may be replaced by another form of government that isn't ruled by the Celestial Dragons later.

SWORD may be the precursor to the new government if it happens to disagree on key principles that are currently upheld by Celestial Dragons and figures like Akainu and those in the Cipher Pol group who have, in the past, committed crimes against the world.

In this way, Coby, Smoker, and and X. Drake may become the new Admirals of the new government.

It is also possible that SWORD will actively resist the World Government by siding with the Straw Hat Pirates eventually.
They will not take over. Side with the SHPs? Sure. Assist in some capacity in the new government? Sure, but they are not going to be precursors to another group of people technically ruling over Kings and Queens of sovereign nations. I really don't think that after Luffy wins the final war that the monarchs are just going to let another group take over to tell them to pay tribute to some assholes that live at the top of the world. Or undersea. Or wherever. Because then, nothing would have changed. Might as well have another Imu too. So I think the Monarchs will band together somehow and have coalitions and assemblies so that they can make their own decisions so that in a sense they can all be "Free" as Luffy might put it.

Smokey and Drake is not going to be admirals, not this soon anyways, it'd be well after OP is over as these two just doesn't seem like they'd get their strength up to Admiral level by the end of the story. Coby is a stretch too but his growth is amazing.

Sword as precursor to the new government no. The new government would fall on the Kings and Queens of the world and the Revolutionaries not Sword.
As for sword defecting maybe maybe not. As they are right now they are just a Black ops unit with more wiggle room than the regular Marines just allowed bend or break certain rules like confronting the Emperors.
Damnit as I was reading this I was like BLACK OPS!! but then you get to it first...

That's a good point. With the gorosei/imu/tenryubito removed the path would be quite opened for the WG to become what it has pretended to be for the past 800 years. Member countries would make up the world's governing body... it's not a perfect scenario but it's one that spares the world the power vacuum of the world government potentially disappearing and enables the marines, which are actually important for the purpose of keeping pirates at bay, to continue operating.
United Nations type of scenarios or a bunch of regional blocs like NATO, BRICs, ECOWA, ASEAN, etc. But I am leaning more towards the UN. Since the revo army consist of people from different countries it might make sense for them to become the body that patrols the oceans to keep everyone at peace while being fair where individuals countries/kingdoms will only patrol their own land and nautical space. What should define a country's nautical space? It is where the weather has stabilized to equate to that island's climate/weather. This was discussed when they got near Drum Island. They knew they were near an island because the weather, while it was cold af, has finally stabilized. Anything outside of that zone would be outside of that country's territory. I wonder if this is already the rule, I don't think Oda has ever stated where a nation's territory starts or end but using stabilized weather is a fair indication I think. This way, the revo army will have a higher purpose after the war and the ruling United Nations' members can enjoy their own freedom within their land. The Sea? Well the rest of the sea is for everyone and anyone to enjoy, courtesy of the new Pirate King's endeavors.
 

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Okay.

But the World Government shouldn't stay as it is by the end of the story.

It would be weird if anything of Imu and the Great Alliance that killed Joy Boy remained at the end, wouldn't it? The kings of those kingdoms were part of that. They're basically just as guilty of causing chaos in the world as the Celestial Dragons are.
 

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Ya.
 
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Well, until now it seems that SWORD consists of fellas with an actual sense of morality, compared to many other Marine soldiers. It's pretty likely that they will completely diverge from the Marines (regardless of their non-formal affiliation), and act as an opposition force.
 

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They can't possibly leave right now, or at the very least they need to keep a considerable amount of operatives inside the structure.

If they are to expose their own darkness, they need the means/freedom to conduct a full inner investigation, and leaving the organization would just make them unable to move. I'll guess they start making some decisions on their own, but it's too soon for them to expose anything.
 

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United Nations type of scenarios or a bunch of regional blocs like NATO, BRICs, ECOWA, ASEAN, etc. But I am leaning more towards the UN.
With the most recent chapters it's most definitely the UN. I mean with Poseidon Uranus and Pluton basically acting as superweapons like nukes. The world war that's been prophesied to happen. Both of of which are real world reasons UN was created. Not to mention the now threat of worldwide flood which falls in their regulations. Yeah definitely the UN.

As for Sword well them being allowed to challenge the four emperors and after Coby declaration to stop Luffy. I at least partially think that Oda created them just so Coby could have an excuse to actually try and fight Luffy. (Not that that will go well for Coby lol)
 
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