Discussion The 11 Supernovae

[Riku]

The 11 Supernovas

NAME BOUNTY HOME SEA GROUP
1) Eustass "Captain" Kid 315,000,000 South Blue Kid Pirates
2) "Straw Hat" Monkey D. Luffy 300,000,000 East Blue Straw Hat Pirates
3) "The Magician" Bagil Hawkins 249,000,000 North Blue Hawkins Pirates
4) "Red Flag" X. Drake 222,000,000 North Blue Drake Pirates
5) "Dark Doctor" Trafalgar Law 200,000,000 North Blue Heart Pirates
6) "Roar of the Sea" Scratchmen Apoo 198,000,000 Grand Line On Air Pirates
7) "Massacre Man" Killer 162,000,000 South Blue Kid Pirates
8) "Big Eater" Jewelry Bonney 140,000,000 South Blue Bonney Pirates
9) Capone "Gang" Bege 138,000,000 West Blue Firetank Pirates
10) "Pirate Hunter" Roronoa Zoro 120,000,000 East Blue Straw Hat Pirates
11) "Mystery Monk" Urouge 108,000,000 Sky Islands Fallen Monk Pirates

A myriad of new badass pirates revealed in the latest chapter. And I bet I'm not the only one thrilled with it. What is their role, Who will fight who, who is bad who is good? There is lot to discuss, so feel free to share your feelings, theories or just name your personal favorites. I guess making a common supernova thread might be quite useful for untill we have enough info for separate character/crew threads. Discuss away!

For little hint, I might suggest checking out Sahugani's Review for interesting origins fact based on the names of characters.

I myself find Law, Kid, Drake, and Killer very intresting. Kid is such a cool looking badass! Like a thinner version of Moria

Law is very mysterious, and looks so 'chill'. Also the fact he bears a sign similar to Doflamingos picks my interest.

Drake is also mysterious, and seems to have code of justice. I wonder if the 'X' comes from the scar or the fact he attempt to hide his identity?

And then there is very corny named Killer. But you must admit that masked persons always catch attention. Also he is the only one who isn't captain of his crew. Looks bit absurd, I mean he has assasin-like mask and attidude, but seems to wear clothes similar to Doflamingo Wonder if he is silent and mysterious killer, or silly and Toby-like killer D

 

[lelouch]

Supernova Discussion

Imo, the most powerful (aside from Luffy) is probably Law, with Killer and Drake coming second. Interesting how only 2 out of the 11 come from the Grand Line, the rest are from the weaker seas. Apoo clearly has a 'sound' theme, I'm guessing Hawkins, Kidd and Apoo all have devil fruit abilities, whilst it seems Killer and Law are swordsmen, although Law seems to have some other ability as well, judging from his nickname. Capone is probably a marskman, whilst it'll be interesting to see how Urouge fights as hes from a Sky Island, expect a lot of dials?

All the designs are awesome IMO ..really looking forward to the new chapter

 

[Anime Head 101]

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It's funny how Luffy has the second highest bounty due to the fact that he doesn't pick fights with civilians. To me that doesn't sit right Kid does damage to civilians and gets a higher bounty than someone who beat 2 of the 7 warlords of the sea and declared war againist the WG just to save a friend.

 

[Oblivion]

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well kid surely must have killed some really serious guys on his way. coz pure civilian damage wont bring him that high.

kid seems to me the right opponent, someone who is as mad and stupid as ruffy. about every of ruffy's opponent so far was someone serious, maybe this time it will be more mad/fun then serious.

i also think hawkings will have something to do with Mihawk, not only do they share 'hawk' but both have a cross and also look very grimm.

 

[Umbra Wolf]

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I'm pretty sure Scratch Apoo has the power of the devil; some sound or Dj fruit I would guess.
When he wants to fight Kidd (with double d like the original pirate I think) he stands their like a DJ (imagine the turntables) ready to start some scratching and he wears headphones (or maybe special earmuffs). And don't forget; we're talking abou the "On Air" pirates.
So I would interpret this character.

And Kidd must be a real monster. Ruffy hat to destroy one of the marine's most secure prison to get at the bounty level he is now. Kidd must have defeated and killed nearly anyone he've met to get such a high bounty.

 

[natli]

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I'm hoping Law is a good guy, or a least will fall into the 'enemy made friend' cathegory. I like his design too much

 

[OP_overlord]

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when looking at the pictures a bunch of them have some type of edged weapon. so that means that Zoro will have to fight them. one cause luffy cant and two cause his pride wont let luffy fight another swordsman.

 

[Anime Head 101]

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well kid surely must have killed some really serious guys on his way. coz pure civilian damage wont bring him that high.

kid seems to me the right opponent, someone who is as mad and stupid as ruffy. about every of ruffy's opponent so far was someone serious, maybe this time it will be more mad/fun then serious.

i also think hawkings will have something to do with Mihawk, not only do they share 'hawk' but both have a cross and also look very grimm.

I know but that's the only reason why his is higher than luffy's

 

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

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I'm pretty sure Scratch Apoo has the power of the devil; some sound or Dj fruit I would guess.
When he wants to fight Kidd (with double d like the original pirate I think) he stands their like a DJ (imagine the turntables) ready to start some scratching and he wears headphones (or maybe special earmuffs). And don't forget; we're talking abou the "On Air" pirates.
So I would interpret this character.

And Kidd must be a real monster. Ruffy hat to destroy one of the marine's most secure prison to get at the bounty level he is now. Kidd must have defeated and killed nearly anyone he've met to get such a high bounty.

don't every bad and strong guy in one piece have DF. I'm sure that all the other nine 100 million+ pirates have DF.

 

[bittman]

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don't every bad and strong guy in one piece have DF. I'm sure that all the other nine 100 million+ pirates have DF.

ALMOST every MAIN bad+strong guy has DF, not everyone. (i.e. from the start, Morgan, Kreig, Arlong. But yeah, most recent ones have). To note, Zoro doesnt have one so don't put your expectations on a DF heavy group of captains too high otherwise it just becomes the Crocodile or Enies Lobby arc again where Oda has to make tons of crappy devil fruits.

My predictions on the other 9 are in sahugani's review thread btw ^^

 

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

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ALMOST every MAIN bad+strong guy has DF, not everyone. (i.e. from the start, Morgan, Kreig, Arlong. But yeah, most recent ones have). To note, Zoro doesnt have one so don't put your expectations on a DF heavy group of captains too high otherwise it just becomes the Crocodile or Enies Lobby arc again where Oda has to make tons of crappy devil fruits.

My predictions on the other 9 are in sahugani's review thread btw ^^

i just think DF is been overuse right now. it almost like you expect every strong guy to have one.

 

[weixiaobao]

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i just think DF is been overuse right now. it almost like you expect every strong guy to have one.

well when we compare strong guys and weak guys .. there are way too many weak guys.. Though the CP9 are strong even without DF plus there Franky, Luffy's Grandpa, zoro, sanji, etc, etc ... and Black Beard's crew.. except Black Beard..

the present of these 11 Supernovas showed that the power of Navy/WG is weaken tremendously for not preventing these pirate crew from getting too powerful.. plus the threat of the emperors also..

And it looks like South Blue Kid pirates gonna be Strawhats new rival.. after all they have 2 member in the 11 like the strawhats crew..

Edit: these guys look more badass than that rnew recruited rockstar guy from redhaired pirates..

 

[ascalon]

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Here's my prediction for obvious rivalries/matchups, seeing as there are 9 strawhats and 9 other pirates.

Capone - Robin
J bonney - nami/sanji
Basil- zolo
Kid - Luffy
Scratchmen apoo- usopp
Drake - sanji
Urouge - franky
Killer - brooke
Law - Chopper

I'd find it hillarious if Sanji confronts Jewelry Bonney, and tries to win her over with his cooking, haha. I can see it now. She'd be eating everything up and probably wouldnt fight, lol.

I thought it was super cool that the monk turned out to be a skypian. His wings are huge, lol.

 

[Umbra Wolf]

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don't every bad and strong guy in one piece have DF. I'm sure that all the other nine 100 million+ pirates have DF.

Well, I've explained why I think that Apoo ate a DF. I won't start something like "OMG Kidd must have DF because he can't have killed so many people just with his little knife". Time will tell.

But indeed there were a lot of DFs in recent chapters so I too hope to see a lot of strong guys without the power of the devil; so I would expect from Drake and Killer for example.

But overusing DFs is quite dangerous indeed for Oda. But you can make something out of every DF. Look at Luffy: Man he's out of Rubber, what a lame fruit compared to e.g. Ace's on the first glance. But look what Oda made out of it (Gear 2 & 3). But the more you create the less you can eleborate on a single one which might have a lot of potential.

 

[OP_overlord]

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first- off i hope that the skypian is a nice guy like his island mates. he seemed chill.
second- i would love to see sanji cook against Bonney instead of fighting her (she needs just as much food as luffy does it would be easy for him i think)
third- apoo could have a similar DF to kuma something with spinning blades of air.
fourth- captin kid could be modled after Billy the Kid and instead of being very fast at shooting people he could throw his knives at people with crazy speed and accuracy.

in terms of fights with all the supernovas i just dont see it happening. some of them will fight each other. Oda doesnt want to have to many single easily called battles anymore he is working on combo moves. doc vs doc, sniper vs sniper woud be boring for him to do time and time again, the characters need to fight different people to get stronger (except for zoro)

if there where to be battle it would be this
KID - usopp - scratchman apoo (yes i think that if usopp tried he could fight them both at the same time)
Franky - Urouge
Zoro and Brooke - Killer - LAW
X Drake will not fight but will watch
Bonny - Sanji
Nami - Bege (he looks like the mafia guy and she can dodge bullets)
Chopper - Hawkins (he will be able to see through his majic and stop him)
Luffy will not fight he will be watching it all and pretending to be smart and studing them like X Drake but he wont be that much Robin will

i think that non of these fight will happen in full they will fight just to test each other out and then go on there own ways and get stronger.

 

[neomaster121]

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first- off i hope that the skypian is a nice guy like his island mates. he seemed chill.
second- i would love to see sanji cook against Bonney instead of fighting her (she needs just as much food as luffy does it would be easy for him i think)
third- apoo could have a similar DF to kuma something with spinning blades of air.
fourth- captin kid could be modled after Billy the Kid and instead of being very fast at shooting people he could throw his knives at people with crazy speed and accuracy.

in terms of fights with all the supernovas i just dont see it happening. some of them will fight each other. Oda doesnt want to have to many single easily called battles anymore he is working on combo moves. doc vs doc, sniper vs sniper woud be boring for him to do time and time again, the characters need to fight different people to get stronger (except for zoro)

if there where to be battle it would be this
KID - usopp - scratchman apoo (yes i think that if usopp tried he could fight them both at the same time)
Franky - Urouge
Zoro and Brooke - Killer - LAW
X Drake will not fight but will watch
Bonny - Sanji
Nami - Bege (he looks like the mafia guy and she can dodge bullets)
Chopper - Hawkins (he will be able to see through his majic and stop him)
Luffy will not fight he will be watching it all and pretending to be smart and studing them like X Drake but he wont be that much Robin will

i think that non of these fight will happen in full they will fight just to test each other out and then go on there own ways and get stronger.

i liked everything you said until you got up to the match ups and i think you should delete them they make no sense ussop nami and chopper would not and could not in current state fight any 1 100mil+ and luffy watching/analiysing his crewmembers fights i don't think so. Ussop fighting the strongest guy Chopper fighting the second strongest person whos a swordsmen are you serious?

 

[KnuckleheadedNinja]

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first- off i hope that the skypian is a nice guy like his island mates. he seemed chill.
second- i would love to see sanji cook against Bonney instead of fighting her (she needs just as much food as luffy does it would be easy for him i think)
third- apoo could have a similar DF to kuma something with spinning blades of air.
fourth- captin kid could be modled after Billy the Kid and instead of being very fast at shooting people he could throw his knives at people with crazy speed and accuracy.

in terms of fights with all the supernovas i just dont see it happening. some of them will fight each other. Oda doesnt want to have to many single easily called battles anymore he is working on combo moves. doc vs doc, sniper vs sniper woud be boring for him to do time and time again, the characters need to fight different people to get stronger (except for zoro)

if there where to be battle it would be this
KID - usopp - scratchman apoo (yes i think that if usopp tried he could fight them both at the same time)
Franky - Urouge
Zoro and Brooke - Killer - LAW
X Drake will not fight but will watch
Bonny - Sanji
Nami - Bege (he looks like the mafia guy and she can dodge bullets)
Chopper - Hawkins (he will be able to see through his majic and stop him)
Luffy will not fight he will be watching it all and pretending to be smart and studing them like X Drake but he wont be that much Robin will

i think that non of these fight will happen in full they will fight just to test each other out and then go on there own ways and get stronger.

i hope you are been sarcastic on those matchups. usopp winning against kid and scratchman apoo. that is partically impossible.

 

[weixiaobao]

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we don't know anything about kidd yet, he could earn that big bounty base just on terror of his crew, (unlikely though) that usopp is a match for kidd but it could be a possibility ..

Drake is interesting it seem that he didn't quit his habit as a Navy officer, maybe he know some dirty secret of the WG and therefore quit the Navy and follow his own justice..

 

[OP_overlord]

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you guys have no faith in the crew members

luffy watching was going to be a comedy thing, robin was going to be all impressed with his analitical ability and think about how he would fight these guys but he would be doing something dumb and luffy like, and then she would hit him... it made sence in my head. X drake would be doing the real scouting maybe he is friends with smoker (pride in thier own personal sense of justice)

now usopp i think has skills, he uses his mind he plans out moves and he knows what hes got and how to use it (dials, and sharp shooting abilities) remember his fight with luffy he can take a serious beating and still fight if he wants too. also his running away really seems to work to his advantage, he figures out there moves, doesnt get hit and piss the shit out of them. all pluses if you use them right. it would but doesnt have to be a three way fight i just think ODA would get bored of some many one on one fights. now if KID is really a knive thrower like i think (highly impossible) then usopp could put that aspect of his skills to the test and have an advantage becuase of his dial use, imagine pellets hitting daggers in the air and chaging there direction away from him. now if he fights Apoo one on one instead then he could use his dials and sniping freely.

Hawkins doesnt have to be a swordsman, there are to many supernovas that use an edged weapon, ODA woundnt like that. if he does indeed fight with trickary, and deception like a ninja, slide of hand and what not then choppers brain point would be just the thing to beat it, right?

the whole nami thing was cause i just dont see bege fighting he looks like the mafia and they have guns, guns shoot people, but if the person uses a mirage-tact and sneeks up behind them and hits them on the head a few times she could hypotheticaly win.

Also they say nothing about KID being the strongest just has the highest bounty, you would never have thought it possible for someone with no bounty to beat a person with a 30 million beri bounty and then a person with a former bounty of 160, and then another schibukia with a bounty over 300 million, so it is not impossible for usopp to make the same jump. and he has alot of skill mentaly, i mean when they fought arlong he was the same person no DF, scared,... what has changed? not much he has a new bigger sling shot, a few dials, a cape, and most importantly a goal. if he thinks that beating any one of these guys will help him reach his goal then he will win.

remember I doubted that any/all fights would happen, just sparing to see skill levels, and gather info on eachother as rivals.

 

[neomaster121]

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you guys have no faith in the crew members

luffy watching was going to be a comedy thing, robin was going to be all impressed with his analitical ability and think about how he would fight these guys but he would be doing something dumb and luffy like, and then she would hit him... it made sence in my head. X drake would be doing the real scouting maybe he is friends with smoker (pride in thier own personal sense of justice)

now usopp i think has skills, he uses his mind he plans out moves and he knows what hes got and how to use it (dials, and sharp shooting abilities) remember his fight with luffy he can take a serious beating and still fight if he wants too. also his running away really seems to work to his advantage, he figures out there moves, doesnt get hit and piss the shit out of them. all pluses if you use them right. it would but doesnt have to be a three way fight i just think ODA would get bored of some many one on one fights. now if KID is really a knive thrower like i think (highly impossible) then usopp could put that aspect of his skills to the test and have an advantage becuase of his dial use, imagine pellets hitting daggers in the air and chaging there direction away from him. now if he fights Apoo one on one instead then he could use his dials and sniping freely.

Hawkins doesnt have to be a swordsman, there are to many supernovas that use an edged weapon, ODA woundnt like that. if he does indeed fight with trickary, and deception like a ninja, slide of hand and what not then choppers brain point would be just the thing to beat it, right?

the whole nami thing was cause i just dont see bege fighting he looks like the mafia and they have guns, guns shoot people, but if the person uses a mirage-tact and sneeks up behind them and hits them on the head a few times she could hypotheticaly win.

Also they say nothing about KID being the strongest just has the highest bounty, you would never have thought it possible for someone with no bounty to beat a person with a 30 million beri bounty and then a person with a former bounty of 160, and then another schibukia with a bounty over 300 million, so it is not impossible for usopp to make the same jump. and he has alot of skill mentaly, i mean when they fought arlong he was the same person no DF, scared,... what has changed? not much he has a new bigger sling shot, a few dials, a cape, and most importantly a goal. if he thinks that beating any one of these guys will help him reach his goal then he will win.

remember I doubted that any/all fights would happen, just sparing to see skill levels, and gather info on eachother as rivals.

OMG you are serious. what your saying makes no bluddy sense. Ussop is one weak f..ker hes the weakest of the whole crew and will always be the weakest as said by ODA himself. We know nothing about kid and the others to assume that hes weaker than a 30mil berry pirate but due to his crew hes highly ranked with a bounty. Kid wouldn't have even made it that far it was the case common sense.

With chopper your logic is flawed. Even the smartests of people are tricked by illusions so just because chopper has brain point doesn't mean he would see through him and haven't you noticed no rumble ball since he went monster point. Hmm i wonder why

you must be a chopper ussop fan boy to be saying such rubbish