Discussion The Case for Asensio Being a CC Tier+ Fighter

[Cinera]

I think Asensio has to be at least a CC tier fighter.

Kallavan acknowledged Lyborick's strength as being worthy of CC tier after seeing Lyborick's imitation Lightning Spear technique:

However per SIU, the imitations of the Lightning Spear technique are inherently limited:
Season 2 Episode 199 Blog Post

To add to my last week’s exposition,
Maschenny-style electric spears can only be used by Maschenny’s children.
[TN: Khun Maschenny, the mother of both Ran and Maschenny Jahad]

There are spells that copy it similarly,
but unlike Ran’s, they don’t have the same effect like the Lightning Pill

Since they’re forcibly mimicked, they got a limit unlike that of Ran’s.

Source

While Lyborick's imitation was able to exceed average Lightning Spear Bearers, it falls short of the true masters of the Spear, the "Spear Masters".


Asensio is one of those elite few:

To be clear, it is very unlikely that there is any class above "Spear Master" as Maschenny Zahard is also one:

SIU has not only said that her spear technique is vastly stronger than the usual High Ranker's Spear Technique, but also that she's the only one who can draw out the full potential of the Maschenny Style Lightning Spear:
Season 2 Chapter 47 Blog Post

The Maschenny-style Lightning Spear technique that Ran uses is a Lightning Style technique invented by Maschenny Jahad, who made an appearance a while ago.

It’s a technique that turns Shinsu into a spear, so it grants the advantage of being able to take the Spear Bearer position without being armed with spears.

(Compared to ordinary shinsoo manipulation techniques, Lightning Spear techniques are much faster and have higher accuracy.)

As it allows one to participate in both short and long-range battles, it is considered to be one of the ‘ultimate spear techniques’.

The Maschenny-style Lightning Spear technique is only passed down in Maschenny's branch of the Khun Family,
(in Ran's case, due to the Lightning Spear technique,
his ranking as a Spear Bearer is higher than his ranking as a Fisherman.)

However, after becoming a Ranker,
it is very difficult to take on the role of a professional Spear Bearer with the Lightening Spear technique alone.
(Because the level of other Spear Bearers become that much higher)

So later on, they're used more as a support role in close-range battles...

In Maschenny Zahard’s case, her lightning Spear technique is faaaaar stronger than a usual High Ranker’s spear technique.

In other words, if you have Maschenny on your team,
it's the same thing as having another High Ranker-level Spear Bearer on your Team.

Of course, the only person who can use the Maschenny-style Lightning Spear technique so proficiently is Maschenny Zahard herself ^^;

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So it goes without saying that Maschenny should be in the highest class of Spear Bearer. And it seems that Spear Master is this class.


An alternative way to frame my argument is that the strongest Spear Bearers (in the Khun Family?) are the Spear Masters.

Maschenny and Asensio are in this class.

Lyborick is not.

I see no reason to assume that Spear Bearer Lyborick is stronger than any of the Spear Masters (especially as his spear technique is an inherently limited imitation).

Lyborick fighting as another position may be a different matter, but while fighting as a Spear Bearer, Lyborick is inferior to the Spear Masters.

If he was one of the strongest Spear Bearers in the Khun Family, he would also be a Spear Master.

And considering that Spear Bearer Lyborick has CC tier combat ability by Kallavan's admission, all Spear Masters should also have at least CC tier combat ability.

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[Jubei_Kibagami]

I'd change your poll... make it 'slightly' instead of 'significantly' in both directions.

 

[Cinera]

I'd change your poll... make it 'slightly' instead of 'significantly' in both directions.

I place slightly in both directions within the "comparable" group.

Someone that is slightly stronger/weaker than Kallavan is still CC tier.

I mean I think all the following characters are within CC tier
(Kallavan, White, Yasratcha, Jinsung, Lyborick *, Cha, etc.).

2 Fangs Yama is either in that same CC tier, or he's significantly stronger.

The same for Evankhell.

I have Khel in the significantly or much stronger group.

Dark Change Baam was significantly stronger IMO.

Presumably after absorbing White's power, he'll be much stronger.


*: Lyborick could move to the significantly or much stronger group depending on how he handles Kallavan.

 

[Ignorant]

A.A case... he’s naturally a spear bearer but he refuse to play that position because he think he can never reach his father level in this same position so he’s playing intel position...

Lyborick could be a truly monster wave controller from his PB side but he really want to be a spear master... lol

 

[Cinera]

A.A case... he’s naturally a spear bearer but he refuse to play that position because he think he can never reach his father level in this same position so he’s playing intel position...

Lyborick could be a truly monster wave controller from his PB side but he really want to be a spear master... lol

Isn't he too pragmatic for that? I don't think that works that well for his character.