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Don't worry, I'm still doing it, I just haven't found the time yet. It'll probably be out this afternoon/evening (my time), along with the Jump RAWs.
 

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Hey, Carlos Net.
I have a question about one pesky four-letter word. May I ask it? ^_^
In your translation of the newest One Piece chapter, chapter 544, Teach, talking about Luffy's growth, mentions that word - haki:


We haven't seen Luffy use his haki ability in his qiuck fight with Teach here, in Impel Down. And at Jaya, Luffy wasn't even showing any signs of this technique. However, we can clearly see that Luffy is showing strong determination and ambition here. And, he has shown the same thing in Jaya. Teach has even made a similar commentary back then:


Therefore, I was wondering, why did you leave it like that, untranslated? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use the actual translation - spirit, ambition etc, since the world haki is used in the community as a definition of the same ability.
Or perhaps the context, in which it is mentioned, allows it to be left untranslated?

By the way, the new translator here, at MH, Svg, puts it as "spirit". And Stephen hasn't translated the chapter yet.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say ^_^

P.S. And since I have already dropped by, I will give you huge thanks and a jar of cookies for your One Piece and Soul Eater translation. Awesome work :)
 
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Well, "spirit" is a fair translation of "haki", but it's also an incredibly generic word, and one that calls to mind other ubiquitous concepts of "spirit power" from other series that are completely unrelated. "Ambition" is perhaps a more distinct translation, but it doesn't sound very good, and I don't think it really captures the meaning very well for how it's being used in One Piece.

When Haki first started to rear its head in One Piece as a distinct piece of terminology, I opted to leave it untranslated because I couldn't think of a short-and-sweet English equivalent, and because it was clearly being developed as a central "technical term" and "ability" of the series, which is exactly the sort of thing that's often left untranslated anyway. And because "Haki" is short, sweet and just sounds good. And I've been leaving it untranslated long enough now that I'd need a very good reason to switch to something else.

As for suggesting that I leave it untranslated here because it's not necessarily referring to any display of Haki "ability"... I don't think that's relevant. "Haki" denotes both an attitude and the abilities that stem directly from that attitude; there's no clear distinction to be drawn, it's just the one word. (Besides which, the way Blackbeard's using it smacks of "terminology" usage anyway; it's like he's talking about "power levels" more than attitude.) If I started being selective and only leaving it untranslated sometimes, that would just add a lot of unnecessary confusion.
 

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One quick question~

Are the texts on the following images chinese or japanese?


I'm sorry but I'm not very keen on distinguishing the difference between the two languages. ; ~;
 

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That's all Chinese.
 

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Well, "spirit" is a fair translation of "haki", but it's also an incredibly generic word, and one that calls to mind other ubiquitous concepts of "spirit power" from other series that are completely unrelated. "Ambition" is perhaps a more distinct translation, but it doesn't sound very good, and I don't think it really captures the meaning very well for how it's being used in One Piece.
Considering the english translation, I prefer the "ambition" rather than any other version: such word reflects Oda's constant theme about people's Dreams. Perhaps, haki will have some connection to dreams later, but this is yet to be seen and overall irrelevant here.
For example, in our russian translation, we change "haki" to "will". It isn't a very accurate translation, but somehow, it reflects the main idea pretty good. Howver, sometimes it can be confused with the "Will of D". Oh well :eyeroll

When Haki first started to rear its head in One Piece as a distinct piece of terminology, I opted to leave it untranslated because I couldn't think of a short-and-sweet English equivalent, and because it was clearly being developed as a central "technical term" and "ability" of the series, which is exactly the sort of thing that's often left untranslated anyway. And because "Haki" is short, sweet and just sounds good. And I've been leaving it untranslated long enough now that I'd need a very good reason to switch to something else.
Still, forgetting all what I said earlier, I find the untranslated version quite good to use as well. depend on the mood, may be? :amuse
Following your translations, I have seen how you use the word. And now I know why do you use it. Pretty interesting to hear a translator talking about his work :amuse

As for suggesting that I leave it untranslated here because it's not necessarily referring to any display of Haki "ability"... I don't think that's relevant. "Haki" denotes both an attitude and the abilities that stem directly from that attitude; there's no clear distinction to be drawn, it's just the one word. (Besides which, the way Blackbeard's using it smacks of "terminology" usage anyway; it's like he's talking about "power levels" more than attitude.) If I started being selective and only leaving it untranslated sometimes, that would just add a lot of unnecessary confusion.
I wouldn't agree on such a topic. For me, Teach is talking about both power and attitude chages: not only has Luffy grown in strength and developed his Gears, but also his objectives became more challenging. Back at Jaya he was trying to get to the Sky Island, which was pretty much a legendary journey. However, now he is trying to accomplish a simply impossible task - to chalenge the forces of Sekai Seifu and to save his brother from impending doom.
And I don't really see, how it can cause confusion.
Oh well, it's only my opinion. Thanks for your answer :)

Ah, I have got ine more question!
Once again, about chapter 544:


Now that our Captain has become a Shichibukai and gained the status he desired...

I don't know Japanese, so, I'm not aware what am I asking :eyeroll

As our translator says, some of this symbols :) - I'm not sure, these ones - 上げる - contain a verb "ageru". Which could mean both "to give up"/"to resign" or "to become"/"to get (the title)". So, can you explain, how do you exactly translate this phrase, please?
 
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"Na wo ageru", the phrase used here, literally meaning "to raise one's name", is a set phrase basically meaning "to become famous/noteworthy".
 

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Just stopping in to say thanks cnet. With Kyoukai no Rinne under your belt, you're now doing one series from each of the major weekly Shounen mags! I gotta know, how do you find so much time to translate? O_o I can barely keep up with 10 series, yet you seem to have something new out every day. Really I admire you, and I hope you'll keep up the good work.
 

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Hey cnet. I'm trying to teach myself japanese by translating manga, and I was using your latest Hitman Reborn scan. The first line is:

バトルオ はじめる

or so

the second half is hajimeru, which is 'begin.' However, I have no idea how to get the first half. I get ba to ru o. The 'o' symbol in the manga is hiragana, whereas the other three are katakana. Does that have any meaning? I've also searched every combination of 'batoruo,' and I'm not really coming up with anything. Do you know of any good references for figuring those out? Also, how did

おつと

turn into the sound 'ooh'?

Sorry for the basic questions. Thanks for taking the time.
 

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Teaching yourself Japanese from scratch from manga? Not the best of ideas, to say the least, but I'll go through what you're asking as best I can ~~

The first line that we're talking about is おっと、バトルを始める前に, "Otto, batoru wo hajimeru mae ni". (Just so you know, I generally romanise を as "wo" to distinguish it from お, but it's pronounced more like "o".) The "おっと" is an interjection with a kind of "oh, hold up, I just remembered something" feel to it, so I translated as "Ohh, but...". バトル is just "battle", straight from English. を is one of the most basic particles of Japanese - elements that appear after words and indicate their function in the sentence. を indicates the object of the sentence, so バトル is the object of the verb that comes afterwards, 始める, which you already figured out is "to begin". So "バトルを始める" is "to begin the battle".

To give you a little idea of how particles work, I'll just use a couple of example sentences featuring everybody's favourite simple verb, 殺す ("korosu", to kill). Since を indicates the object, Xを殺す is "to kill X". If we replace the を object particle with the が subject particle, we get Xが殺す, which means "X kills". Obviously neither of these make much sense as sentences at first glance, because in the first one you don't know who's doing the killing, and in the second one you don't know who's being killed. However, they can actually both stand alone as perfectly acceptable sentences.

The first example, Xを殺す, would most likely be translated as "I'm going to kill X". "Going to kill" because Japanese doesn't distinguish between present and future tense. And though the subject, "I", isn't stated anywhere, Japanese is big on leaving out things that are already obvious, and one of the most common things to leave out is the subject. If there's no subject to a sentence, then either the subject should be obvious from previous context, or the subject is the person who's speaking. Hence, "I".

The second example, Xが殺す, doesn't make sense out of context, because unlike in the first example, where we can assume "I" as the subject, there is no obvious object to assume. Xが殺す would only make sense in a context where it's obvious who you're talking about killing. So for instance, following the question 誰が敵を殺す? ("Dare ga teki wo korosu?", "Who's going to kill the enemy?"), Xが殺す could be translated as "X is going to kill them." Note how the English sentence uses the pronoun "them", because "enemy" has already been stated - just plain leaving the word "enemy" out altogether is essentially the Japanese equivalent of this.

(Oh, and just so you know, there's one particle that is more common than either of these, and that's は, pronounced "wa" rather than "ha" when used as a particle. This is the "topic marker", and can generally be interpreted as similar to the subject, but it's a lot more versatile, and it can get pretty complicated explaining the differences between the two. XはYを殺す and XがYを殺す both mean "X is going to kill Y", but there are clear differences in meaning between the two, and you can't just substitute one for the other. But let's not go into that.)

Anyway, back to the original sentence, there's one part we haven't looked at, and that's the final 前に ("mae ni"). 前 means "in front" or "before", and に is another another common particle that indicates things like location and time (similar to things like English "at" and "to", if you like). So 前に, in this context, means "before", and it's being modified by the バトルを始める immediately before it, so all together it means "before (we) begin the battle". Note how the "we" doesn't appear anywhere in the sentence - it's an obvious subject that gets dropped. 僕達がバトルを始める前に ("bokutachi ga batoru wo hajimeru mae ni") with the additional "bokutachi" meaning "we", would also mean "before we begin the battle", but it would sound odd, because the 僕達が feels unnecessary; it's unnatural to put it in. In fact, putting it in makes it sound like you're emphasising the "we" for some reason, so it sounds more like "before we begin the battle..." (to be followed up by something like "...somebody else is going to interrupt and begin it instead.")

...Hope that helped ~~
 

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I don't know if you've done it cos it's so far back but did you translate Bleach Chapter 213 before? I'd like to get clarity for the last page where Aizen refers to gathering vasto lordes. It gives different implications with every translation I look at.
 

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I'd translate those lines as something like this:

Aizen: They were but... // ...mere Gillian. // This has not the slightest effect on our plans. // As long as we assemble the Vasto Lorde... / ...and complete the Espada... // ...there will be nobody... // ...who can stand in our way.

If you can tell me exactly what "different implications" you're talking about, I may be able to clarify.
 

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I'd translate those lines as something like this:

Aizen: They were but... // ...mere Gillian. // This has not the slightest effect on our plans. // As long as we assemble the Vasto Lorde... / ...and complete the Espada... // ...there will be nobody... // ...who can stand in our way.

If you can tell me exactly what "different implications" you're talking about, I may be able to clarify.
Thanks for your translation on that. The clarity I want is that some translations I've read imply that the Vasto Lorde Aizen planned on assembling at that stage are the Espada. The same Espada which have been disposed of as fodder by the Gotei 13, even possibly 2 and 3.

I'm trying to see if Aizen has a hidden VL army.
 

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I just chose "Vester" because "Bester" sounds stupid. ~~ So does "Vester", actually, but not to nearly the same extent. Either is a possible romanisation of the name.
Would it also be possible to romanise the name differently? Like "Vesta"?

Because there is a Roman Goddess whose name is Vesta. :I
 

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At a stretch, but that name is written differently in Japanese.
 

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Byakuya: "Senkei" solidifies the scattered blades into the form of a multitude of swords... // ...explosively enhancing their capacity to damage the enemy. // There is no change in speed.
 

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Hey~

When are you actually going to go back to Great Britain?
 

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Hi carlos.
May I ask you to translate the new GTO series? It's really a nightmare to translate but it would be really appreciated ^_^

Thank you.
 
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