Discussion The Gecko Moria thread

[Pevee]

it's not you, he IS a giant.

 

[caco]

well in 461 I saw Moria like always, big but not as big as a giant.

 

[Impel Down]

The first time he was shown, just his feet, he was definitly giant sized. But, later on, he just...wasn't. I mean, Luffy was like the size of his hand, and that's not right. But, in 461, Luffy just seemed smaller in comparison to the last time they were at the same place at the same time.

 

[Lobolover]

Dunno if anyone else said it already (and I did mention it in a different place,but whatever) ,but I hope that Moria will also have some fighting skills,so far hes only been seen sleeping,siting in a chair and.......sleeping again.He doesnt have to be EXTRA SUPER strong,but a bit of a chalenge (somewhere above Foxy but bellow,say Smoker)

 

[Impel Down]

Well, shouldn't he be around Crocodile's level, since he's a shichibukai. And he must be pretty strong, since he didn't seem that concerned with Oz rampaging or Luffy showing up. In fact, he seemed pretty bored with Luffy last chapter.

 

[Absolutio]

yea.. he didnt seem very excited or nervous or w/e when he saw luffy..
Dont forget he has a higher former bounty than luffy's, that means that he was hella strong when he became a shichibukai.. He aint so weak as lots of people think he is.. People are underestimating the Shichibukai.. The Shichibukais are 1 part of the 3 greatest powers in OP.. Which means they are part of the strongest in OP..

 

[Impel Down]

Although bounty isn't everything, since Enel's is supposed to be far above even Doflamingo's. But, I'll admit that I underestimated him at first, but I'm beginning to see more and more that he actually IS a force to be reckoned with.

 

[Willreaper]

Gecko Moria had a past bounty of 320,000,000 million beli (only 20 million beli higher than Luffys current bounty) so he is far stronger than Crocodile was (who only had a past bounty of 80 million).

Moria is the captain of the world's biggest pirate ship, Thriller Bark, and has a former bounty of 320,000,000 Beli. Moria apparently has the power to turn people's shadows (including his own) into solid objects due to the power of the Kage Kage no Mi (Shadow Shadow Fruit), but the full extent of his powers are yet unknown. He is the one who stole Brook's (musician and sword fighter who is strongly inclined to join the strawhat crew and thanks to his devil fruit he can't die or sink in water, although he looks like a bleached skeleton with an afro because he was half-dead for a very long time, he is also part of the crew that left Lamboon the whale behind, the crew didn't run but was actually destroyed by Gecko Moria), and various other beings' shadows. The loss of a being's shadow causes them to go into a two day coma, and to be vaporized if they come in contact with sunlight. The shadow acts a second soul, duplicating its owner's movements and mannerisms.

Moria creates zombies by inserting a shadow into a lifeless corpse. Coupled with physiologically enhanced bodies engineered by Hogback, he is able to create powerful and obedient zombie warriors. However, if the original owner of the shadow dies, the zombie created from that person's shadow will also die. As a result, Moria has the de-shadowed people placed on their ship and removed from Thriller Bark.

He is an extremely large man and has a devil-like appearance, mainly due to his horns and shadowy figure. He wields a pair of gigantic scissors that he uses to cut the shadows of his victims from their bodies upon seizing them. He also has X like marks above his nose and below his chin that may be stitches. Moria's motto is to rely on others to reach his goals. His favorite phrase is: "You do it!", reflecting his slothful personality and tendency to leave all work for his underlings. This also expands to his fighting style, as he prefers to lay back and let his own shadow, Doppelman, battle with the powers of the Kage Kage no Mi.

He has captured Luffy and has taken away his shadow. He has placed it in the giant 900th zombie named Oz, and plans to avenge his defeat at the hands of a person named Kaidou in the New World. Luffy has recently found Moria inside Oz's freezer, and started to battle him. Moria has revealed that the only way for all of the shadows to return to their original masters is for him to give them the order to do so.

 

[Absolutio]

*finishes reading*
Nice summery you gave up there!

 

[Impel Down]

Yeah, we totally knew all that, but thanks for giving us a math lesson in the beginning there!

And as to Moria, I imagine he'll catch up with Luffy next chapter or so, and we'll get back to their fight, which in terms of OP fights with Luffy, is pretty unique, to me.

 

[Willreaper]

Honestly though, I kinda of expected Gecko Moria to be more of a giant. Like massive and all muscles, but he looks more like a really tall and pointy goblin.

 

[Absolutio]

maybe he's half a giant? Hagrid's lost brother?

 

[Impel Down]

No one loves Hagrid. Harry doesn't understand what a friend is.

I'm willing to believe two things:
A) He is a very large human *cough*Whitebeard*cough*
B) See that stitch on his face? Costume.

 

[Absolutio]

stitch on his face => he's a zombie => the current budy has his shadow, which cannot be true for two reasons:
1. He can use his devil's fruit abilities.
2. He has a shadow (duplicate man).

I think he's taller than Whitebeard, maybe he's just a small giant? Or perhaps a new species in the OP world? :P
At the first time we've seen him, his subordinates had to shoot an arrow to eplode his sleeping nose-bubble => He's very big. I think he is a giant, but just, Ozz makes him seem smaller.

 

[OP_overlord]

when luffy stood next to him he was only like 3 or 4 times as tall as him, but the giants twos are like the size of luffy, so i dont think he is a small giant he is just a really big person, like WB.

 

[Absolutio]

Well.. I guess you're right. It's just that the first time we've seen Moria disturbes me. He seems so huge there!

 

[Willreaper]

I don't think Moria himself is a zombie, his power only allows him to make zombies. But, I agree he is just a really big and really ugly human. The stitches down his face are really odd though.

 

[Absolutio]

Whoa, that's cool! Is it the new volume cover? O_o

 

[Impel Down]

Yeah, that's the new cover. And he can't be a zombie, since he has DF powers. I still think a giant costume is the way to go.

And I agree, he seemed a lot larger when we first saw him, and his hair was different. Oda's allowed to change his mind, I guess.

 

[Imitorar]

Yeah, that's the new cover. And he can't be a zombie, since he has DF powers. I still think a giant costume is the way to go.

And I agree, he seemed a lot larger when we first saw him, and his hair was different. Oda's allowed to change his mind, I guess.

Well, the powers might have been in that body, and the soul of Gecko Moria could have been what was taken, so he is. But either way, how could he be a zombie? Moria himself is nescessary for a zombie to be made. Who else would remove the soul that inhabits the body? He can't have done that to himself, so there's definitely no way he could be a zombie.

And I think the thing about Moria seeming bigger in his first appearance is a matter of Oda-sensei actually making him a giant, then realizing that he'd take up entire pages and he would have to spend too many panels per chapter drawing Moria to get enough content in, so he shrunk Moria to "really-freakishly-tall" instead of "giant". He's still like, 15-20 feet tall, I'd say at a guess. But it might be just a change in character design based on creative preferences, I don't know for sure. But I actually didn't notice that his hair was different before. Did we even see Moria's head in his first appearance? It was in chapter 449, I think.