Discussion The Gecko Moria thread

[Impel Down]

Gecko Moria is overshadowed by Lucci and even Sir Crocodile...

I mean, Luffy doesn't seem to be having a tough time at all =\

Luffy got in one minor attack, after having all of his blocked, being forced to chase him around, having his shadow already ripped away, and when Moria did attack him, he got severe gashes all over his body.

 

[Absolutio]

We haven't seen any serious fight yet between luffy and moria, so we don't even know the extent of moria's full power.

 

[Impel Down]

Exactly, he definitely still stronger than he's shown. If we get another Luffy v. Moria going on, it won't be on the same level as the last one.

 

[Imitorar]

Yes, DutchPhoenix, Oda-sensei likes to add time limits to his arcs to the major arcs (every major arc that's been in the Grand Line so far). Get over it, it's been happening for a while. Like, since Alabasta. Skypiea had Enel destroying the island and finding the Bell, plus the three hours. Enies Lobby had Robin going through the Gates of Justice. It happens all the time.

And hollowfied... what One Piece are YOU reading? Because I seem to remember Luffy barely being able to land one hit on Moria, and that hit only worked because of a clever ruse that wouldn't work again. I'm tired of people thinking that Moria is weak. He's not. Morgan was weak. Wapol was weak. Moria is NOT weak at all. Seriously, to all those who think Moria is weak, reread chapter 463. Do you still think that Moria is weak?

 

[Impel Down]

People think Moria is weak because he has others fight for him, I think. He's just lazy, is the thing, he's not so weak that he needs people to fight for him.

I mean, he so confident that he basically sleeps while Doppelman fights Luffy.

 

[MDLatqp]

And let's not forget that lazy definitely doesn't translate to weak. Just think about Ao Kiji. He takes lazy to a whole new level! As well as ass-kickery, lol.

I will say this though. After everything I've seen thus far, I feel that in a straight-up melee battle, Luffy vs Moria, I REALLY feel like Luffy would win. I definitely don't see Moria being able to go punch for punch with Luffy. And even if Moria surprised us with some extraordinary physical strength, I still think Luffy's on top in that department.

 

[Impel Down]

Of course Luffy has to win! He's the main character! But I think he'd beat Moria mostly with crazy creativity to get around his powers.

 

[Absolutio]

I've waited till now to finally post here something of reference to the latest chapter.
Moria's ability is just awesome! Oda-sensei is a genious! Dunno where he gets his ideas from!
I mean, reversing the "shadowing-body" effect, to "boddying-shadow".. Cool! And makes the body which is controlled by Moria to become awefully strong with an extordinary addaptation skills.

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Again, this chapter proves it to all the doubters. Moria is a force to be feared! His shadow switching powers gives him attributes almost like those of logia fruits.If he's aware enough and doesn't let his guard down, he can always switch body's as he likes => making himself invurenable to physical attacks. The only way of beating that is either finding his DF fruit weakness, thus attacking his shadow will destroy or stun it, or attacking both moria's shadow and moria himself at the same time, thus moria won't be able to switch body's safely with his duplicate.

 

[Paz42]

ye as the time goes on in this arc moria just becomes more and more powerful oda truely is a genius as Absulutio said the idea of him switching with his shadow at any time is a fantastic idea im really looking forward to see how he will fight in his final battle with luffy it will just be amazing to see i cant wait but i dont think it will be nightmare luffy that defeats him thats saved for Oz im sure but he will start to battle moria in ths form i think

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stupid enter button lol but what i ment to finish there was that he will start in this form with the battle against moria but then the shadows will leave and it will be the true luffy we all know and love that will win

 

[Absolutio]

yea. i think so too.. Nightmare luffy will defeat ozz, and normal luffy will defeat moria. Thing is, they've got 20 minutes left, and nightmare luffy has his shadows' powers for 10 minutes, meaning that he has 10 minutes to defeat ozz, and 10 to defeat moria. That's a harsh race against the clock!

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Just thought of the coming Luffy vs. Moria battle (after ozz is beaten) and thought of what kind of moves can moria use at a 1vs1 fight.
If he can control a body via its shadow, he can send his own shadow to luffy's and just make luffy's shadow punch/kick/w.e itself => luffy punches/kicks/w.e himself. By the time they fight, ozz will be beaten => luffy's shadow returns => luffy will have a shadow that can be controled.
If he does do that, I wonder how will luffy manage to beat him. Moria's powers are serious!

 

[Paz42]

ye it does seem the abilities to control shadows does seem like a a powerful one in the world on one piece as they do seem to be very closly linked to the soul but im hoping that moria wont be able to control the shadow once it is back on luffy because luffy has a soul because he hasnt used this one any one else other then Oz

 

[ChristopherE]

About Moria...

Can he steal shadows from those of the deceased because his zombies have shadows from different lifetimes that spread out. Then again, if the owner of the shadow dies then the zombie stops functioning, too, correct?


Can someone explain how any of this is possible?

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[Imitorar]

I don't think he can steal shadows from dead people, because their souls would go to the afterlife. That's why if the owner of the shadow dies, the shadow leaves the zombie, because it's being kept chained to life by its real body. And I don't know what you mean by "his zombies have shadows from different lifetimes that spread out", since none of the shadows seems to be particularly old, certainly not old enough to make it implausible for them to be alive at the present point in the story. Some of the zombie BODIES are very old, such as most of the General Zombies, and Oz himself, but those are just bodies. Age has no effect on their performance, especially since the original owner has to be dead anyway for the body to be used for zombification.

 

[hill_mie87]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before. I skipped the earlier posts,and only read a few of 'em. Somehow, i feel that Moria is actually a lizard, hiding in a big gigantic shell (just like some of us speculated). Just my baseless guess though.

 

[Absolutio]

Yea.. We already had this kind of "EarthWorm Jim" robot suit theory about Moria, but this time with a lizard... But I don't think that's a very probable theory..

 

[Impel Down]

As the arc is winding down, if he was another guy in a Moria suit, he would have shown us that already. Alas, he's just a weird, sown-up, demi-giant for the time being, but I suppose he could always come back and show us that he's a normal (or very abnormal) person.

However, if it was a suit, would his eyes black out, his face bleed, and his teeth break? I highly doubt it.

 

[Absolutio]

I guess he's just half a giant.. His mother abandoned him and his father since of her gianted behaviour, and then at the age of 13 his father died, while he was studying in a magic school.. Really tragic story..


Anyways, yea.. I doubt there's something behind/inside Moria.. He's just a weird looking fellah..

 

[Impel Down]

There is no magic schools in OP, just throwing it out there.

But true, it doesn't seem that there's much to Moria besides being a fat, larger-than-average human...with horns. Oh well, I guess we've seen weirder...or have we? I don't think we've seen horned humans in OP before.

 

[hollowfied]

There is no magic schools in OP, just throwing it out there.

I'm guessing you didn't read HP?

Btw, Oz had the 'power to make Moria Pirate King', if I remember correctly. That means Nightmare Luffy must have had a strength greater then the Pirate King?

 

[Absolutio]

Wel.. We've seen Lambo from Hitman Reborn.. Maybe Oda is a fan?
Anyways, we've seen pretty weird things in OP generally, so Moria's horns aint that weird..