Discussion The Holy war

[OtakuFreak]

I mean ludo did say that "if you are going this far so will I, in the name of four Archangels"

''In the name of the Four Archangels''.

Pretty sure he was going to sacrifice himself to kill the Indura or something, so either way he was going all out in conventional means.

 

[Shadowlord123]

To be fair, Ludo wasn't even using his Grace against the Induras as far as we saw. The attacks he used were unnamed Arks, which didn't look as powerful as Lightning Spree or Sparking Drive, techniques he used against the Sinner later on. Anyways, regardless if Ludo was going all out or not, chances are that he most likely wouldn't have been able to beat those Induras by himself. From statements, Goddess Elizabeth was comparable to him and she used her full power to try to beat the Induras and even that wasn't enough, given how she was slowly getting pushed back and needed assistance from Sar and Tar.

IMO, if we consider a fully powered Ludo being comparable to Goddess Eli, chances are that he could have probably beaten either Indura Monspeet or Derieri by himself with great to extreme difficulty, given how Elizabeth was pushing them back and that was 2vs1. Just my two cents on the matter.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

To be fair, Ludo wasn't even using his Grace against the Induras as far as we saw. The attacks he used were unnamed Arks, which didn't look as powerful as Lightning Spree or Sparking Drive, techniques he used against the Sinner later on. Anyways, regardless if Ludo was going all out or not, chances are that he most likely wouldn't have been able to beat those Induras by himself. From statements, Goddess Elizabeth was comparable to him and she used her full power to try to beat the Induras and even that wasn't enough, given how she was slowly getting pushed back and needed assistance from Sar and Tar.

IMO, if we consider a fully powered Ludo being comparable to Goddess Eli, chances are that he could have probably beaten either Indura Monspeet or Derieri by himself with great to extreme difficulty, given how Elizabeth was pushing them back and that was 2vs1. Just my two cents on the matter.

Well ludo can defeat Indura mons and der in their first stage but after the 2nd stage it would be very difficult for him to beat both so at that time he maybe able to beat any one of them with high difficulty and we don't even know if lightening spree and sparkling king drive are his strongest attacks, he may have even stronger attacks which for his cocky nature has not shown till now

 

[sobreno]

Well ludo can defeat Indura mons and der in their first stage but after the 2nd stage it would be very difficult for him to beat both so at that time he maybe able to beat any one of them with high difficulty and we don't even know if lightening spree and sparkling king drive are his strongest attacks, he may have even stronger attacks which for his cocky nature has not shown till now

Both? He couldn't scratch first stage Indura Derrierie alone and he was getting overwhelmed by her left and right.

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To be fair, Ludo wasn't even using his Grace against the Induras as far as we saw. The attacks he used were unnamed Arks, which didn't look as powerful as Lightning Spree or Sparking Drive, techniques he used against the Sinner later on. Anyways, regardless if Ludo was going all out or not, chances are that he most likely wouldn't have been able to beat those Induras by himself. From statements, Goddess Elizabeth was comparable to him and she used her full power to try to beat the Induras and even that wasn't enough, given how she was slowly getting pushed back and needed assistance from Sar and Tar.

IMO, if we consider a fully powered Ludo being comparable to Goddess Eli, chances are that he could have probably beaten either Indura Monspeet or Derieri by himself with great to extreme difficulty, given how Elizabeth was pushing them back and that was 2vs1. Just my two cents on the matter.

Nope, he wouldn't as they continued to evolve further as time goes, it was their first stage and we know that Indura goes full giant mode at their final stage as the Indura rampaging the Demon World and Baruja.

Same for her as she couldn't do it alone at their initial stage and was getting overwhelmed at her full power.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Both? He couldn't scratch first stage Indura Derrierie alone and he was getting overwhelmed by her left and right.

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Nope, he wouldn't as they continued to evolve further as time goes, it was their first stage and we know that Indura goes full giant mode at their final stage as the Indura rampaging the Demon World and Baruja.

Same for her as she couldn't do it alone at their initial stage and was getting overwhelmed at her full power.

Yeah, I'm talking about the initial stages that both Monspeet and Derieri showed. I think Ludo could have a shot at beating one of them individually using his full power with great or extreme difficulty. Just pure speculation, of course. Two of them would already be too much, IMO.

To think that there are multiple of these beasts fully evolved in the Demon Realm makes the balance between the Demons and Goddesses even more unlikely than before. Well, we'll see.

 

[sobreno]

Yeah, I'm talking about the initial stages that both Monspeet and Derieri showed. I think Ludo could have a shot at beating one of them individually using his full power with great or extreme difficulty. Just pure speculation, of course. Two of them would already be too much, IMO.

To think that there are multiple of these beasts fully evolved in the Demon Realm makes the balance between the Demons and Goddesses even more unlikely than before. Well, we'll see.

I don't think so as Indura Derrierie wasn't bulging and he even called help against her alone.

It is obvious that Indura destroys both Goddesses and Demons and destroys your balance easily lol as even the Demon Clan fear them and run from them as I don't get near a Lion.

Only the Demon Lord control those beasts as his pets. And he is the only entity above Indura inside the Demon World as the Supreme ruler of that world.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Both? He couldn't scratch first stage Indura Derrierie alone and he was getting overwhelmed by her left and right.

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Nope, he wouldn't as they continued to evolve further as time goes, it was their first stage and we know that Indura goes full giant mode at their final stage as the Indura rampaging the Demon World and Baruja.

Same for her as she couldn't do it alone at their initial stage and was getting overwhelmed at her full power.

Well he was only using his Ark abilities he still had to use his Grace abilities like lightening spree, gold shinning, sparking king drive, ruby shine etc

 

[sobreno]

Well he was only using his Ark abilities he still had to use his Grace abilities like lightening spree, gold shinning, sparking king drive, ruby shine etc

Which wouldn't change anything as it didn't defeat the mere dying Sinner with it lol.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Which wouldn't change anything as it didn't defeat the mere dying Sinner with it lol.

It would after all he was also dying

 

[sobreno]

It would after all he was also dying

Yes but as Merlin stated, he was getting the upper hand until Mael came and saved both.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Yes but as Merlin stated, he was getting the upper hand until Mael came and saved both.

That's when he used climax

 

[OtakuFreak]

Ludoshel was merely standing there as a shield for Merlin.

Did he use his grace which can outspeed Cudler? No.

Did he use his grace to offensively attack him? No.

Did he use any fancy ark attacks beside just generic blasts to the face that take an enormous amount of magic? Nope.

Irregardless of Cudler getting stronger as he dies, if Ludoshel wasn't rooted in place and could use his grace, he would've easily won - especially when he wouldn't be in spirit form.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

As ludo is comparable to Elizabeth so definitely he's also super strong

 

[sobreno]

Ludoshel was merely standing there as a shield for Merlin.

Did he use his grace which can outspeed Cudler? No.

Did he use his grace to offensively attack him? No.

Did he use any fancy ark attacks beside just generic blasts to the face that take an enormous amount of magic? Nope.

Irregardless of Cudler getting stronger as he dies, if Ludoshel wasn't rooted in place and could use his grace, he would've easily won - especially when he wouldn't be in spirit form.

Lol no, Merlin stated that he was getting stronger at a rhythm that surpass them.

Stating that it was " bad ".

Not only that curse destroyed his body, without it, he would killed them no problem, Mael saved them.

As the more you damage him, the more stronger he get, meaning his stats jump higher and higher with each damage, eventually surpassing you.

Cuddler is basically Gerard from Bleach, the elite Stern Ritter that took Kenpachi, Byakuga and Toshiro.

To more they damaged him, the stronger he got and he surpassed them at the end.

Same power with Climax, same hax magic ability which is a stats multiplier in exchange of the damages that your body get in fight.

The only way to defeat him is with one shot.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Kinda astonishing that the Demon clan didn't manage to stomp this war. Like, they have the 10 C, then they introduced indura forms as their hiddent rump card, then they also have 2 Masters which are a league of their own, but dont forget they have indura literally running wild ?
Couldn't they have just let the indura destroy the clans on earth ( fairies, gigants,humans) ,while they occupy the GC? Seems like they're the single strongest faction by far , it's not even funny to me.

 

[sobreno]

Kinda astonishing that the Demon clan didn't manage to stomp this war. Like, they have the 10 C, then they introduced indura forms as their hiddent rump card, then they also have 2 Masters which are a league of their own, but dont forget they have indura literally running wild ?
Couldn't they have just let the indura destroy the clans on earth ( fairies, gigants,humans) ,while they occupy the GC? Seems like they're the single strongest faction by far , it's not even funny to me.

Easy, plot and betrayal and Gowther's spell and sacrifice with the help of the Giant + Goddess + Fairies and Humans for the seal.

They lost Mel and 2 commandments too, with OGowther and his doll, that makes 4 commandments.

Zeldoris stated that it was because of Mel that they ultimately lost too and if he never betrayed, they would never lost at all.

 

[OtakuFreak]

It was clearly stated that the Goddesses & Demons were pretty much equal in power before the beginning of the holy war and after the betrayal of Meliodas along with the fall of two commandment members.. yeah it's not a surprise Stigma was overbearing.

As for the whole balance, the top tier Goddesses are just simply that powerful.

Supreme Deity obviously did her own stuff against the Demon King.

Noon Mael literally roasted anything besides the DK into ashes, there was no counter or tactic against him that the demons had. Even outside noon, he was pretty much unstoppable.

Regular Mael, Ludoshel, Elizabeth are individually powerful enough to equal Meliodas, defeat the masters & Zeldris (assuming it's 1v1). After all, these three are 200k+ whilst the masters are 160-170k (?), and Zeldris is much lower. Indura could threaten them, but assuming how Elizabeth was stalemating in a 1v2, I'm going to assume they have the edge.

Sariel or Tarmiel could individually handle the entire roster of the 10C's unless Indura came into play. The other could go into mass-murdering fodder (including the 6BK).

So yeah, SD/Elizabeth/4AA/Fodder = DK/Mel/Masters/Zel/10C's/Fodder

 

[sobreno]

It was clearly stated that the Goddesses & Demons were pretty much equal in power before the beginning of the holy war and after the betrayal of Meliodas along with the fall of two commandment members.. yeah it's not a surprise Stigma was overbearing.

As for the whole balance, the top tier Goddesses are just simply that powerful.

Supreme Deity obviously did her own stuff against the Demon King.

Noon Mael literally roasted anything besides the DK into ashes, there was no counter or tactic against him that the demons had. Even outside noon, he was pretty much unstoppable.

Regular Mael, Ludoshel, Elizabeth are individually powerful enough to equal Meliodas, defeat the masters & Zeldris (assuming it's 1v1). After all, these three are 200k+ whilst the masters are 160-170k (?), and Zeldris is much lower. Indura could threaten them, but assuming how Elizabeth was stalemating in a 1v2, I'm going to assume they have the edge.

Sariel or Tarmiel could individually handle the entire roster of the 10C's unless Indura came into play. The other could go into mass-murdering fodder (including the 6BK).

So yeah, SD/Elizabeth/4AA/Fodder = DK/Mel/Masters/Zel/10C's/Fodder

Lol nope, They weren't, the Demons were superior without Mel and OGowther already.

Indura is literally all they needed.

Meliodas was enough for your Noon Mael and could balance him, he even made him run away lol. He maintained the balance all by himself as stated by Zeldoris and OGowther, the smartest character in the verse.

Lol, Ludo and the others can't defeat Zeldoris and they can't bypass his God + his Nebula combo which surpass Flash already.

Sinner with Climax destroy Ludo too.

Masters smash Sariel and Tarmiel. Indura Derrierie and Monspiet too.

Just release the Indura beast on them controlled by the DK and they are all done, his Dogs Indura will do the job for him lol.

Lol, no, Demons with Mel, Ogowther and Indura >> Goddesses and their allies.

Gowther alone is a wild card that can shit on anyone on Aizen mindfuck level. If he give his service solely on his Clan, that is a stomp.

 

[Ger]

I like how otaku is making this headcanons about mael when he has no feats when he fought meliodas and yet meliodas made him retreat.

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Also induras arent in the holy war btw, they are puppets for the royalties and so why would they be in the war? Masters were not included because they did NOT participate. So this notion of including induras aside from indura monspiet and derrieri is false.

 

[Seven777]

The demons weren't on par with the goddesses when Meliodas left, they were weaker, that was the whole point of the GCs attack, because they had the advantage. Meliodas maintained the balance, and when he betrayed the demons the balance broke, so Gowther took someone equal to Meliodas', Mael, and swapped him over, using him to bring back the balance Meliodas once upheld. The GC wanted a secure victory, not a drawn out war, because they don't like casualties, so they went for a draw instead.

This is all said by Gowther, I'm barely even paraphrasing, so it's all canon.

Oh and Indura that weren't commandments are far weaker, so they shouldn't be a threat as long as Elizabeth is around. It's only the Indura of Favor she has to worry about.