Movies The Movie Thread! - Continuation

[M3J]

Oh, did I misread?

Dunno, he's just not appealing at all and seems to be boring.

 

[FetherMan]

The poster isn't great, but considering it's a movie about anti-heroes; I can see what they are going for, with that Usual Suspects-like poster. The teaser we got for the movie at last year's comic-con was very promising; so I for one am looking forward to it.

Also, Christian Bale as Moses everybody:

The movie Exodus is directed by Ridley Scott and is due out next December. This following Russell Crowe's role as Noah, we have ourselves a Biblical resurgence.

I had no idea this movie was being made and directed by Ridley Scott. Bale is playing Moses...?. oooookay, i'll buy that.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Recently watched movies

American Hustle - Totally overrated and hyped movie that does not do its inspiration material ABSCAM justice, acting was relatively poor as well, gotta love Bale´s dedication, who gained a lot of weight for this role and cut off his hair to really look ugly (no idea why though) but that does not change the lackluster performance. Amy Adams is totally miscast as the alleged Femme Fatale, her cleavage is not enough to change that. I really wanted to like the movie, especially since i like O´Russell´s previous works but it is rather mediocre.

Enough Said- Down-to-earth comedy about a woman that gets into a rather peculiar situation and needs some serious growing up to do. Pretty realistic take on dating in your 40s (at least from what i can tell ) and the performances are convincing which is a good thing since it is one of Gandolfini´s last performances (i think his scenes Animal Rescue are already shot)

About Time - Pretty generic yet sweet comedy about a guy who can travel back in time and uses it to get a woman and to enjoy his life with his family. First 60-70 minutes is more or less a typical rom-com with its sweet moments and a Rachel McAdams to fawn over, rest of the movie takes a bit more dramatic turn with a generic yet important message at the end. All in all, it was a good movie. Watch it with your girlfriend or date and the chances are good that you will get some afterwards.

 

[Imperium]

I know a lot of people who liked American Hustle but still found it confusing. Did you find it confusing?


(I have yet to watch it, no spoilers please)

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

I know a lot of people who liked American Hustle but still found it confusing. Did you find it confusing?


(I have yet to watch it, no spoilers please)

Hmm, it´s not confusing per se, it is more like the script is all over the place. I think it was supposed to be fictionalized and more personal take on the abscam investigation but neither the investigation itself nor the characters did get much exposure and depth.
Maybe they were confused because there were a few alleged plot twists that had no impact at all, otherwise, i can´t pinpoint what should be confusing.

 

[zelllogan]

the wolf of wall street is amazing. There is no morality in the whole movie and even if it was only lousely adapted from a true story, most of the major things happening in the movie are legit. It really give a great overview about how fucked up our world is. Honestly, it correspond to my very sad view of the world from an economic point of view. Boldness & absence of empathy are two of the most powerful characteristics to make money.

The film is also really funny. The scene with the lamborghini countach is priceless. The whole movie theater was laughing out loud. 3h & I wasn't bored.

 

[goldb]

I can imagine the film being really solid; as it is a Martin and Leo collaboration. I read recently though, that it received some bad press as people found it glorified the true story behind the movie.

 

[zelllogan]

I can imagine the film being really solid; as it is a Martin and Leo collaboration. I read recently though, that it received some bad press as people found it glorified the true story behind the movie.

Yes, it's a real problem. Honestly, based on the ideas glorified in the movie, this is the kind of movie I would forbid to minors. The ideas in this movie are more dangerous than any porn or violent movie. And it's even more dangerous because it's based on true events.
It is a glorification of ideas such as:
- drugs are great
- money is all that matters
- money is above laws
- men are pigs, women are sluts

There is no redemption of any character in the movie ... And from what I read about the true story, it's legit.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Hmm, i will have to watch that movie to see if the accusations of glorification are true or not. Right now, the critics seem to be two-minded about it. Personally, i can´t imagine that Scorsese, whose movies, at least some of them, actually show that greed and desire can easily lead to downfall (best example would be Goodfellas), would glorify such a lifestyle but i guess it is possible.

 

[goldb]

Here is the article I was referring to; it has both Leo's quotes and the thoughts of the writer on there; so there's 2 sides to the arguments.

 

[M3J]

Yes, it's a real problem. Honestly, based on the ideas glorified in the movie, this is the kind of movie I would forbid to minors. The ideas in this movie are more dangerous than any porn or violent movie. And it's even more dangerous because it's based on true events.
It is a glorification of ideas such as:
- drugs are great
- money is all that matters
- money is above laws
- men are pigs, women are sluts

There is no redemption of any character in the movie ... And from what I read about the true story, it's legit.

Spoiler

There's no glorification though, except for sex. Drugs still ultimately fucked up Jordan and Donnie, and we see just how much they were affected when they overdosed on that powerful drug Donnie got after Brad was arrested. Jordan couldn't even walk or drive properly, his car was wrecked, and Donnie nearly choked to death on food. We also see Jordan's face being all lethargic and lifeless after taking a drug and being ridden by a girl (forgot if this was after or before the scene in the airplane). Jordan after being hit with divorce took cocaine from a secret stash, hit his wife, took his daughter, and crashed into a tree, and we see just how low he became. Not to mention, Jordan himself took the airplane being hit wiht lightning as a sign to become sober. Plus, you have to look at the era the movie takes place in. I wasn't alive, but wasn't drug use common?

Money isn't above law though, given how Jordan and everyone associated with him or the company got in trouble. Jordan couldn't even bribe the FBI. And tons of movies glorify the importance of money up until the end. Aren't there movies where the hero or his friend take the money?


You could argue that Jordan had some redemption when he went to jail and lost everything, eventually turning into a public speaker.

I did like The Wolf of Wall Street though, especially the sex part. It glorified sex a lot though, no doubt.

 

[kkck]

Saw the wolf of wall street last weekend, man, what a great movie. It was a tad longer than what I would have wanted, I almost couldn't tell it was ending until the second it did. I would argue that whether the movie glorifies something or not really depends on the person watching the movie though. Kinda like when wall street came out back in the 80s. The movie was meant to criticize corporate greed yet people completely misread the message and instead the movie inspired what a wall street suit should act and look like in precisely the way the movie was criticizing. Basically if you are looking at this movie and you think it is glorifying debauchery, drugs, alcohol, greed and a complete absence of morals its not because the movie was doing that, its because you looked at those scenes and simply thought " FUCK, that looks awesome" and then went on to assume the movie was not critical of those things (unless the movie was not meant to criticize corporate greed, drugs, alcohol, debauchery, and a lack of fucks to give about stuff in which case I completely misinterpreted the movie). Seriously, the movie showing people having fun while doing drugs, alcohol or debauchery does not glorify any of those. It would be absurd to portray consumption of any of those things differently because anyone who does any of those ultimately enjoys the hell out of it. They can't portray something that is fun as not being fun.... It could be argued the movie did not properly show the consequences of doing that many drugs, alcohols and prostitutes but then again that is not what the movie was about, it was about the wolf guy.

 

[zelllogan]

"zelllogan, you're a moron who doesn't understand anything" was faster to write than your post ... I'm so tired to explain that I prefered to delete my other posts. My last one contained insults, I'm just that tired. Remove the end of the movie, don't show real-life Belfort congratulating Di Capri Belfort, don't show poor fbi agents in a subway vs a guy on a tennis court, and I would have agreed. Those two scenes were so powerful & people are acting like it's nothing.
I'm going to sleep.

 

[kkck]

Well, the movie was about that guy's life and even if he does have problems he still walked out of it relatively well after 3 years in prison. That he did little jail time, that from many points of view he actually did get away with it or even actually not giving crap about any of it does not mean the movie itself was glorifying astounding douchbagery. Ultimate the guy is alive, has a job and probably still makes a decent living... Having him pay for his crimes in the movie to the extent he probably deserved would not be consistent with that. Its not like in wall street where they were all fictional characters and the bad guy ended up in jail.... Its like arguing wall street 2 is glorifying the spectacular assholery of the first movie because gecko ended up richer than ever or because he was doing better than most before being richer than ever. I would argue its more of a cynical thing rather than glorification.

 

[M3J]

I still don't see what's wrong with it glorifying sex. Sex is glorious, there's nothing wrong with it.

Cheating however, yeah. But to be fair, Jordan lost his family and everything he had, and he changed into a new leaf. At the end, we never saw his ex or kids again, which would imply that they're estranged, which is significant given his reaction to his ex claiming sole custody of the kid in their divorce. He also seems to be sober, and he realized that drugs were bad. If he really has been sober ever since the shipwreck, then that implies that despite the cocaine in the house, he was able to refrain and change.

Plus, we saw the kind of damage drugs can do. Cocaine was probably the only one with the least problems.

 

[Faust]

Wolf of Wall Street

Spoiler: Wall of Wall Street Spoiler

Popeye The Sailor Man Scene well there's still a lot more funnier scenes than that including the 'Lemmon Drug Scenes' and the introductory scene of Belfort's father

The 'Money Chant'

IGN Reviews thinks it's a 'Goodfellas' for New Generation. They gave it a 9.5 rating

 

[Doraku]

Wolf of Wall Street is good but I don't think it's good enough to deserve best picture in Oscar this year. Either "Her" or "12 Years a Slave" should win, judging from the nominees. Kinda gutted with Phoenix being snubbed, but hey his relationship with Academy is not exactly in good terms so I guess that was taken into consideration too. Also, "The Great Beauty" should win Best Foreign Film, that movie is truly splendid.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Wolf of Wall Street is good but I don't think it's good enough to deserve best picture in Oscar this year. Either "Her" or "12 Years a Slave" should win, judging from the nominees. Kinda gutted with Phoenix being snubbed, but hey his relationship with Academy is not exactly in good terms so I guess that was taken into consideration too. Also, "The Great Beauty" should win Best Foreign Film, that movie is truly splendid.

Haven´t seen Wolf yet myself but i generally disagree with a few nominations this year, like American Hustle for best picture and with that, Bale and Adams for best actor and actress respectively. While i also agree that "The Great Beatuy" was splendid, i would give the best foreign film to "The Hunt" with Mads Mikkelsen.

 

[Doraku]

Haven´t seen Wolf yet myself but i generally disagree with a few nominations this year, like American Hustle for best picture and with that, Bale and Adams for best actor and actress respectively. While i also agree that "The Great Beatuy" was splendid, i would give the best foreign film to "The Hunt" with Mads Mikkelsen.

Adams may deserve the nomination, but truthfully I would choose Joaquin or Oscar Isaac over Bale. American Hustle is entertaining, but definitely quite distant from being the best of this year. I also question Jennifer Lawrence nomination as well. I haven't watched The Hunt, but for The Great Beauty I'd say it's one of the most innovative films I've seen for the last couple of years, artistically as well as the plot. It's simply a stellar movie, and with "Her", are my favorite movies of this year.

 

[M3J]

Goodfellas is decent but overrated. The Wolf of Wall Street was good, but I'm not sure if it's something I'd waste time seeing again, even though I liked it. Though Godfather I and II are quite long, they were so brilliantly done that I always enjoy watching them over and over.

I think most award shows are fake. Like, they tend to go with the most popular choice or whatever is trending. Like, regardless of great work, an actor will get snubbed if he's not on a good relationship with a certain award show or someone like Kristen Stewart will be nominated simply because she/the Twilight series are that popular.


Gangs of New York was a great movie, Daniel Day-Lewis stood out like a giant in a field of midgets. I dunno about Cameron Diaz, but the movie had a lot of great actors and supports. Loved how at the end, we see 1800s New York City transform into the New York City of 2000, at least before the 9/11 tragedy. I wish they made more films that focused on the past, I loved seeing how NYC was or might have been like in the late 1800s.