The mural in Elbaph

[korwinkrulpolski]

@Zmsp: Why do you think it is "proto-Loki"? Most likely it is just regular Loki and the scene is showing the third world events that are yet to occur.

 

[Zmsp]

@Zmsp: Why do you think it is "proto-Loki"? Most likely it is just regular Loki and the scene is showing the third world events that are yet to occur.

I'm not sure I follow, but I do believe it is a closed narrative, so yes, "proto-loki" or "current loki" should be the same, as we're stuck on a closed cycle.

Still, this is supposed to be the age that breaks free from that closed cycle, so a few key moments are bound to be different: the crossroads of fate as Doc Q used to call them. Will it be Loki? Not sure.

If you could elaborate a bit on what you meant by that, I'd appreciate it!

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

I'm not sure I follow, but I do believe it is a closed narrative, so yes, "proto-loki" or "current loki" should be the same, as we're stuck on a closed cycle.

Still, this is supposed to be the age that breaks free from that closed cycle, so a few key moments are bound to be different: the crossroads of fate as Doc Q used to call them. Will it be Loki? Not sure.

If you could elaborate a bit on what you meant by that, I'd appreciate it!

Dunno if this is helpful but I can explain to you why I did hit the like button on his comment. For me the Proto-Loki is the “Loki“ of Joyboy‘s time and I expect the left section of the mural to be simply depicting what is going to happen in the near future.

 

[electricmastro]

I suppose remaining arcs will be spent having Luffy gain more followers that will further parallel the mural. Might get a Lunarian arc so that a Lunarian joins him for example.

Also might mean that Loki is destined to ally with Luffy against Imu too.

 

[Zmsp]

Dunno if this is helpful but I can explain to you why I did hit the like button on his comment. For me the Proto-Loki is the “Loki“ of Joyboy‘s time and I expect the left section of the mural to be simply depicting what is going to happen in the near future.

Well, I was assuming we'd have 2 narrations of the worlds that have already ended, and the third one is the one left unpainted because we're living it/future, but now that I think of it, it was a prophecy of sorts, so having the future depicted does make sense.

 

[Agerdem]

I guess mural was made by Oden's wife, Kouzuki Toki. We may see a scene, where she witness Luffy and Loki's victory. Then she came back and crave the mural. She may even be a descendant of poneglyph makers'.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I am just adding this post of mine here where it belongs. Please let me know your thoughts about it.

My poem analysis

On Earth there is flame
Mankind overtaken by desire touched upon the forbidden Sun
The ancient energy source is beneath the earth.
An advanced technology kingdom drills the earth to bring it to surface level (sun light).

The Enslaved prayed
The Sun God appeared
The deity of Earth is enraged
Together with the Serpent of Hell Flame they engulfed the world with death and darkness
The "Enslaved" are the people with advanced technology working below earth level. They dream about the time when the energy will reach directly the sun light and when they will be freed from their labor. Sun God Nika myth is created among the workers and Nika is seen as a God of Liberation.
Ancient Kingdom finally connects the energy source (deity of the Earth) to surface level (Sun God). Something goes wrong and energy source generates a massive earth explosion that creates the Red Line (Serpent of Hell Flame). Many people are killed on Earth and a giant dust engulfes the world (darkness) and mankind loses its dream of development.

They can’t be met again
"They" refers to Sun God and deity of Earth which means mankind can’t bring free energy (deity of Earth) to surface level (Sun God). This project is also called the promise day of the meeting of the 2 Sovereigns.

In emptiness there is breath
End of first world is so violent and cataclysmic that mankind is split and end up living in different places

• The AK people who caused the first world cataclysm and darkness left Earth for the Moon (emptiness) with their advanced technology
• Some men live undersea and become fishmen
• Some men live in the forest and become minks
• Some men live underground and become dwarves
• Some men live in sky islands and become Shandians/Binkans
• Some men live on top of the Red Line and become Lunarians
• Some men live under a tree that receives underground energy (Adam Tree) and gigantify

The deity of forests dispatched demons.
The Sun did nothing but spread seeds of war
The people of the half Moon saw a dream
The people of the Moon saw a dream
The people of the Moon come back to Earth after consuming all of the moon resources. They are surprised that mankind changed so much after they left at end of first world. They study them and discover that their human lineage factor was altered by their direct environment that had received free energy during the first world cataclysm. They find a scientific way to alter the lineage factor at will through the use of energy (mother flame) and names it Dream Fruit technology (renamed devil fruits by world government).
Joy Boy who is from AK thinks that AK could use DF technology to make the free energy project successful. He finds a way to avoid causing a second world disaster and creates a specific DF that he names Nika.
Joy Boy goes to sea and connects with some nations with whom he shares his dream. Joy Boy comes back with his pirate crew and takes control over the AK. Joy Boy launches plan to restart the energy project and 20 kingdoms (deity of forests) go to war against the AK in fear of a second world disaster.
20 kingdoms claim Nika is not a God of Liberation but a God of Destruction. 20 kingdoms use the DF technology they had received from AK to create demons (Imu and Gorusei DFs) and stop Nika.

Men became gods after slaying the sun
The deity of the sea rampaged
They can’t be met again
War go on for decades but AK resists and continues its project. 20 kingdoms are afraid about what will happen if Joy Boy manages to bring energy source to surface level again. They know AK is close to success as Joy Boy developed all the required tools. They eventually decide to win the war by using an Ancient Weapon to rise the sea level (deity of the sea rampages) and prevent the energy source from reaching the Sun level again. The Nefertari Family argues that the massive floods would kill hundreds of millions but 19 kings said the loss is a necessary sacrifice to save the world from the God of Destruction.
Queen Lily secretly meets Joy Boy and switches side at end of Void Century. 19 families became Tenryubito (gods) after killing Joy Boy (the first living Nika).

In Chaos there is Void
The trouble shadows remembers the promise day
And listen to the sound of the fragmented moon
AK is defeated and the history of the AK and the war is lost for mankind and banned from study by WG. Joy Boy makes a promise with Moon people that some of their descendants will achieve the energy project with the tools he left hidden on Earth (Poneglyphs clues, Pluton in Wano, One Piece instructions in Laugh Tale, Nika DF in Elbaf after his death).
The Moon people is fragmented (D =
half Moon) as they split to spread the poneglyphs around the world in former allied nations. The WG shadow king Imu that has eternal life knows the full history and is troubled by the Poneglyphs. He tracked down the D. to kill them for centuries and D. became a secret family name.

The Sun God dances and laughs
Leading the world to its ends
The Sun will return and so comes a new morning
They will meet again
Nika DF powers are necessary to avoid the first world disaster which is why Roger Pirates let the One Piece treasure in Laugh Tale. Laugh Tale is not the Ancient Kingdom but a new territory created by Joy Boy. He used Nika powers to stretch the sea floor upon itself which is why the island can’t be found by Logpose.
Nika will come back to lead this energy project and change the world forever. He will make the energy source (deity of the Earth) reach again the surface level (Sun) - an event referenced as the Dawn by the AK when the 2 sovereigns will meet.

What will happen of the world then? Will Nika be a God of Liberation like Joy Boy claimed or will he be a God of Destruction like 20 kingdoms said? What we know for sure is that Nika will turn the world upside down.

 

[kkck]

So I've been looking at the mural wondering if any of the depicted folk is actually Davy Jones.. Though I suppose if davy jones concerns the first destruction of the world then perhaps he won't be shown here.

 

[Fox666]

So I've been looking at the mural wondering if any of the depicted folk is actually Davy Jones.. Though I suppose if davy jones concerns the first destruction of the world then perhaps he won't be shown here.

There's a king above what looks like Noah in the first world, my guess that would be Davy Jones

 

[kkck]

There's a king above what looks like Noah in the first world, my guess that would be Davy Jones

Yeah, but to me that looks like imu. Though i suppose there's no obvious look for davy jones.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

I bet Davy Jones is there. We just cannot see it yet. The mural is covered by the poem meaning there are parts that we cannot see yet. Once what Frankie see in totality is revealed to Robin and to us, I think it will have additional ramifications to what we know and have figured out. That said, I do think the mural will get burned but I think Frankie probably took a screenshot of that shit. Hell, if the giants didn't make duplicates of it anywhere else then I am gonna facepalm.

 

[kkck]

Hmmm, going through this again I can't help but note the existence multiple gods and the lack of modern variants for them. We have:

The Earth god.
Sun god.
Forest god.
Sea God.

The sun god and sea god seem easy enough, nika and his successors. The sea god would appear to refer to davy jones who was eventually usurped by imu. But it doesn't seem like there's candidates to the forest and earth gods. I suppose it's possible these two have no modern variants.

Weirdly enough it also seems like there is some overlap between the gods and the ancient weapons. Pluto with the earth god, poseidon with the sea god and maybe if you squint a bit uranus and the sun god (though uranus is more of a sky god).

I bet Davy Jones is there. We just cannot see it yet. The mural is covered by the poem meaning there are parts that we cannot see yet. Once what Frankie see in totality is revealed to Robin and to us, I think it will have additional ramifications to what we know and have figured out. That said, I do think the mural will get burned but I think Frankie probably took a screenshot of that shit. Hell, if the giants didn't make duplicates of it anywhere else then I am gonna facepalm.

Hmmm, well, if davy jones is there you'd think he'd be at the lower section which franky is covering but it seems like that part of the mural is on fire.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Hmmm, going through this again I can't help but note the existence multiple gods and the lack of modern variants for them. We have:

The Earth god.
Sun god.
Forest god.
Sea God.

The sun god and sea god seem easy enough, nika and his successors. The sea god would appear to refer to davy jones who was eventually usurped by imu. But it doesn't seem like there's candidates to the forest and earth gods. I suppose it's possible these two have no modern variants.

Weirdly enough it also seems like there is some overlap between the gods and the ancient weapons. Pluto with the earth god, poseidon with the sea god and maybe if you squint a bit uranus and the sun god (though uranus is more of a sky god).



Hmmm, well, if davy jones is there you'd think he'd be at the lower section which franky is covering but it seems like that part of the mural is on fire.

But would it not make sense if Davy Jones was a previous king of the world to be at the top behind the poem? If he was toppled then it can show him near the top but falling down I suppose.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Pretty obvious Nika=Sun God Sea God=Poseidon Davey Jones Forest God who created the Devil Fruits and Imu has the Earth God DF

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Hmmm, going through this again I can't help but note the existence multiple gods and the lack of modern variants for them. We have:

The Earth god.
Sun god.
Forest god.
Sea God.

The sun god and sea god seem easy enough, nika and his successors. The sea god would appear to refer to davy jones who was eventually usurped by imu. But it doesn't seem like there's candidates to the forest and earth gods. I suppose it's possible these two have no modern variants.

Weirdly enough it also seems like there is some overlap between the gods and the ancient weapons. Pluto with the earth god, poseidon with the sea god and maybe if you squint a bit uranus and the sun god (though uranus is more of a sky god).



Hmmm, well, if davy jones is there you'd think he'd be at the lower section which franky is covering but it seems like that part of the mural is on fire.

From my point of view, the poem is to be taken sometimes metaphorically about the Gods like God Myths then literally when these Gods Myths are used to imagine God DFs

• Earth God = Underground energy
• Sun God = Sun light
• Sea God = Ocean waters

Which means

• The Sun God appeared = Underground energy reaches surface level thanks to AK terraforming the earth
• The Earth God is enraged = Underground energy combusts when getting in contact with sun light
• The Serpent of Hell Fire = The Red Line created by the fire explosion from Underground energy
• Darkness engulfs the Earth = Smoke cloud generated by the burning of underground energy
• The Sea God rampages = Waters raising by 200m when Uranus is used by 20 kingdoms
• They can’t be met again = Ancient world is flooded and Earth God (Underground energy) again can’t reach Sun God (light in surface level)

Then we have Personnified Gods that appear thanks to God DFs created with AK Dream Fruit technology

• Sun God = Nika Warrior of Liberation created by Joy Boy
• Forest God dispatching demons = Mori DF user betrays AK and provides 20 kingdoms with DF technology that helps them create Demonic Mythological Zoans to fight back against AK

 

[kkck]

But would it not make sense if Davy Jones was a previous king of the world to be at the top behind the poem? If he was toppled then it can show him near the top but falling down I suppose.

If he is a sea god i would argue it makes sense for him to be shown at the sea.

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From my point of view, the poem is to be taken sometimes metaphorically about the Gods like God Myths then literally when these Gods Myths are used to imagine God DFs

• Earth God = Underground energy
• Sun God = Sun light
• Sea God = Ocean waters

Which means

• The Sun God appeared = Underground energy reaches surface level thanks to AK terraforming the earth
• The Earth God is enraged = Underground energy combusts when getting in contact with sun light
• The Serpent of Hell Fire = The Red Line created by the fire explosion from Underground energy
• Darkness engulfs the Earth = Smoke cloud generated by the burning of underground energy
• The Sea God rampages = Waters raising by 200m when Uranus is used by 20 kingdoms
• They can’t be met again = Ancient world is flooded and Earth God (Underground energy) again can’t reach Sun God (light in surface level)

Then we have Personnified Gods that appear thanks to God DFs created with AK Dream Fruit technology

• Sun God = Nika Warrior of Liberation created by Joy Boy
• Forest God dispatching demons = Mori DF user betrays AK and provides 20 kingdoms with DF technology that helps them create Demonic Mythological Zoans to fight back against AK

Hmm, the first part of the poem imo is the clearest.


Within the earth there was fire. -> probably some natural resource.
Mankind succumbed to greed and touched the forbidden sun. -> motherflame.
The enslaved prayed, and the sun god appeared. -> nika
The earth god raged, and with its serpent of hellfire, shrouded the world in death and darkness. -> pluto and the red line. I feel like there's also a chance this relates to the elbaf devil fruit. Maybe a world serpent devil fruit. But it it's Pluto and the red line it means at this stage someone purposely split the world in half.
And they will never meet.-> probably referring to the split world. This actually fits into theories that the red line being destroyed brings the dawn.

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The confusing part is the overlap between davy jones, the sea god, imu and the sea devil.

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The second part is the least clear imo:

Within the void there was breath. -> humanity survived the cataclism.
The forest god tamed demons and the sun spread the fires of war.-.> if davy was Imus predecessor the maybe this ties to his demon servants. No idea of who the forest God is. The sun is probably nika, joyboy. Though this fits more with the b
Those of the half-moon dreamed.-> the kozuki probably.
Those of the moon dreamed.-> lunarians? Sky island folk? Moon robots?
Man killed the sun and became god, and the sea god stormed.-> second iteration of nika is defeated.
And they will never meet.-> maybe refers to sea levels rising and the world being split into small islands.

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Within the chaos there was emptiness.-> maybe refers to the new vast oceans.
The inconvenient remnants recall the promised day and hear the voice of the half-moon.-> probably ds and the kozuki.
The sun god dances and laughs, guiding the world to its end.-> nika
The sun returns and brings a new morning.-> the much referenced dawn. Which probably means the red line falling. And maybe sea levels going down.
And they will surely meet.-> reunification of the world following the fall of the the red line and the lower sea levels.

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Maybe the events here also probably reference the formation of the grand line as something that split the world.

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I am also wondering if perhaps joyboy created the grand line. A straight path to the one piece. Which he filled with poneglyph to further encourage folk towards the end.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

In emptiness there is breath is to be taken in contrast to they engulfed the world with death and darkness. The Earth is devastated by the first world destruction (death) and there is now a dark smoke cloud created by underground energy combustion which prevents the sun light from reaching the surface (darkness). As a consequence, the advanced human AK left the Earth (no breath under the smoke cloud) and went to space (emptiness) landing at the Moon (we saw the archeological remains there during Enel mini adventure).

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Pretty obvious Nika=Sun God Sea God=Poseidon Davey Jones Forest God who created the Devil Fruits and Imu has the Earth God DF

If he is a sea god i would argue it makes sense for him to be shown at the sea.

That's the thing. The only one that actually is obvious is the sun god which is Nika. The rest? One forumer says this, another youtuber theorize that, it is all up in the air but all very convincing. But even as all of us analyze that mural and give convincing conjecture, there can only be one truth for all 4 different gods. One thing I am pretty sure though, especially after Imu's reaction to Xebec claiming Davy Jones was the previous king of the world? Imu is a liar. Imu's reaction says it all, they're in denial. There is a good chance that Davy Jones was the king of the world before being betrayed or usurped. But, that is my prediction and it is still just conjecture. It isn't concrete at all. It's fun to pick through all of this but still we are heavily lacking critical and detailed information. A lot of what we knew are vague or outright inaccurate. This is why there are so many theories and why different theories can all sound equally convincing.

 

[kkck]

In emptiness there is breath is to be taken in contrast to they engulfed the world with death and darkness. The Earth is devastated by the first world destruction (death) and there is now a dark smoke cloud created by underground energy combustion which prevents the sun light from reaching the surface (darkness). As a consequence, the advanced human AK left the Earth (no breath under the smoke cloud) and went to space (emptiness) landing at the Moon (we saw the archeological remains there during Enel mini adventure).

Maybe it was just the sky island clouds? Though iirc those were a natural phenomenon. In which case maybe there's s big ass volcanic eruption at play which could be suggestive of pluto.

 

[Core D. Roy]

the "serpent of hellfire" the earth god summoned in the first world became the red line

potentially when imu killed the sun god, broke the promise to davy, and took the earth god's power. it's described as "blood-soaked" by elbaf culture because-

...wait where am i